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AtaSaal
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:21:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:]
So you're going to petition Germany to ban yet another game/form of media? Enforcing the stereo type that Germany isn't very tolerant....because of what one guy playing internet spaceships said to another guy playing internet spaceships? Pathetic. Go outside, take a deep breath, realise its just a game and get over it.
You read what you want to read. I wrote about individual responsibility of actions before court in dependance to your juristical physical location.
Take a deep breath, accept laws, even in the internet, regardless with, or without spaceships. There is no excuse "its just a game" before court. |
smokeAjoint
Axial tilt Imperius Legio Victrix
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:21:00 -
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The Clash |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:22:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Do you not understand the difference of in-game and out of game in front of a camera?
Hey, aren't you the creep who tried to rob the only female CSM candidate of her agency? |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:23:00 -
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JTK Fotheringham wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:
It's was an ALLIANCE panel. Get this into your thick skull. This was not a CSM Panel. If it was a CSM Panel then yes, him acting like this would be detrimental. But this isn't the case. It was an Alliance panel, where those of their own alliance take turns to talk about how awesome/annoying their alliance is. In this case they would be unrestricted. All you need to do is look at the past fan-fests, it's really no different, it just so happens they decided to drink well before-hand this time.
Mittens is, at the end of the day, under no obligation to act like a 'holier than thou' individual. As usual it's the angry mob shouting for unnecessary blood because a guy Mittens mentioned is most likely lieing out the ass about his predicament (who on earth would play EVE while incredibly depressed and with intent to commit suicide?).
You must be one of the crowd who think CCP run Fanfest for the lolz. Fanfest, Blizzcon, etc. are all run because of the opportunity to generate a buzz around great press in the gaming media. The players yelling applause for the latest reveal makes for great press. So at this media event, the chair of the CSM (argueably, another media ploy itself) gets up and delivers a stinging cyber-bullying attack. What story are the gaming press going to run with the following week? Honestly, try to understand why this is a problem for CCP, for the game, and probably for Alex personally (because future employers are going to find some poor judgement on his part when they google his name).
Alex is living a good lifestyle. He for one certainly has my respect for being able to relax this early in life. (Also lulz at you for thinking that employers are REALLY going to care about an incident related to internet spaceships. Heck, he certainly is going to get a criminal record for this 'foul' act rite?)
Back on topic, you have missed the point by what I am trying to tell you here. Fanfest has several PANELS. See that, panels. Obviously people would go to Fanfest for either one, some or all of these panels.
Maybe they want to see the new release, maybe they want to see what new updates...or others may want to see the Alliance panels since they know how much of a riot they can be, given previous alliance panels.
See what I did there? It's preference, the people who attend this did NOT have to go the alliance panel, which is normally foul-mouthed and badly behaved anyway.
The only reason the chair of the CSM was even called out was because some 'investigative' gaming journalist in the crowd got extremely 'distressed' and 'upset' about the comments raised and then proceeded to have a article done....in the name of 'justice' and 'peace' of course. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
251
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:24:00 -
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What makes me think the apology is just bull is that the goons are out in force doubling down on stupid in defense of cyber bullying.
The great leader says one thing, while the goons do another.
All that is left is he has to step down from the CSM totally now because of the actions of his goons at this point.
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Dranchela
Flashpoint Industries
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:30:00 -
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You people are taking this far too seriously. |
Capacity gear
Stella Contego Security Stella Stargate Security
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:31:00 -
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4 words.......
DIE -- IN -- A -- FIRE, diaf.
So often used in eve it has become a meme,. even CCP soundwave said it on eve TV, saying such a thing is easily comparable to 'go kill yourself' or words to that effect, how did this get blown out of proportion?
Last year there were a couple of films made about 'cyber-bulling' ( ridiculous term to be honest ), and a few news articles about such things hence the media coverage, however in all of these cases the ''cyber-bullying'' happened on social media sites such as face book and alike,.....
and there it is
It simply cannot be called cyber-bullying as the avatar doesn't exists, sure the person controlling it does, but he was never referred by his/her real name, its really is that simple.
if this isn't the case surly the war dec'ng system is merely a facility for cyber-bullying? i mean people harrasing me in game?? perhaps not,. but surly suicide ganking is, its without my consent?.
the underlining point is this,. you can't bully an avatar as such a thing can be turned off or reprocessed, you may not like the way '' you've'' (your avatar ) been treated, but at the end of the day the avatar isn't you.
if this goes any furthers than a joke, then i call for ccp soundwave to resign as he said 'die in a fire' live on eve TV,. and then subsequently everyone who has said similar things in game to be removed ( this will include me )
p.s,.. i hate the term 'diaf' ,. that really is a horrible thing to say,. not reason to kill yourself mind,. but worth a look at yourself |
JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:31:00 -
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Lenrir Andven wrote:
You say 'griefing' this person, who according to what he said is already under intent to /wrist and is on the road of mass depression, is fair play. But commenting about it is cyber-bullying (it's hard to have a 'out-of-game exchange when the said victim has yet to properly reply to this)
This is the problem, you can not have one or the other. You either need to class it all as cyber-bullying and stop it (effectively turning EVE into a PvE game with BG's,) or understand that this was merely a continued exchange of the griefing, which will undoubtedly lead to future issues.
Either way, they both suck, but we have to accept that this is how the cookie crumbles.
"Look, a dude running 27 accounts to Ice Mine, presenting easy targets for a gank - let's blow us his ships." = In-game griefing. Fair play.
"Listen, the guy with 27 accounts told me he's depressed cos his marriage has broken down, I want to encourage you, the hundreds, if not thousands of people who follow my example, to mail this guy and tip him over the edge." = Cyber-bullying. Has no place in our game.
If you can't see the difference, I'm sorry for ya.
If you can't see the bad press it creates for CCP, you're blinded by devotion to Mittens.
If you can't see the damage it's done to Alex's personal reputation, and the risk it poses to his future employment prospects, you're mad. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:32:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:What makes me think the apology is just bull is that the goons are out in force doubling down on stupid in defense of cyber bullying.
The great leader says one thing, while the goons do another.
All that is left is he has to step down from the CSM totally now because of the actions of his goons at this point.
His follower ruined any chance for his apology to work as a get out of trouble card.
Wait, we aren't a Hive Mind? What treachery is this?! |
Capacity gear
Stella Contego Security Stella Stargate Security
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:35:00 -
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JTK Fotheringham wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:
You say 'griefing' this person, who according to what he said is already under intent to /wrist and is on the road of mass depression, is fair play. But commenting about it is cyber-bullying (it's hard to have a 'out-of-game exchange when the said victim has yet to properly reply to this)
This is the problem, you can not have one or the other. You either need to class it all as cyber-bullying and stop it (effectively turning EVE into a PvE game with BG's,) or understand that this was merely a continued exchange of the griefing, which will undoubtedly lead to future issues.
Either way, they both suck, but we have to accept that this is how the cookie crumbles.
"Look, a dude running 27 accounts to Ice Mine, presenting easy targets for a gank - let's blow us his ships." = In-game griefing. Fair play. "Listen, the guy with 27 accounts told me he's depressed cos his marriage has broken down, I want to encourage you, the hundreds, if not thousands of people who follow my example, to mail this guy and tip him over the edge." = Cyber-bullying. Has no place in our game. If you can't see the difference, I'm sorry for ya. If you can't see the bad press it creates for CCP, you're blinded by devotion to Mittens. If you can't see the damage it's done to Alex's personal reputation, and the risk it poses to his future employment prospects, you're mad.
avatar = guy ??? nope,. avatar = avatar
some avatar said he was gonna kill himself = funny ****
met person i rl and was told he was gonna kill himself = me laughing, not caring, but no threadanaught |
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
398
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:35:00 -
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I keep having to rewatch that video, I really don't understand the reaction it received. The suicide aspect wasn't central to the joke, nor was any call for harassment. These threads simply exagerate the mittanis words, and try and create some scandal over it.
Reality is, that entire panel was pretty boring. Even the in-game player "the wiz" didn't give a **** about it, and reading his "suicide threat" it was hardly serious. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:37:00 -
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JTK Fotheringham wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:
You say 'griefing' this person, who according to what he said is already under intent to /wrist and is on the road of mass depression, is fair play. But commenting about it is cyber-bullying (it's hard to have a 'out-of-game exchange when the said victim has yet to properly reply to this)
This is the problem, you can not have one or the other. You either need to class it all as cyber-bullying and stop it (effectively turning EVE into a PvE game with BG's,) or understand that this was merely a continued exchange of the griefing, which will undoubtedly lead to future issues.
Either way, they both suck, but we have to accept that this is how the cookie crumbles.
"Look, a dude running 27 accounts to Ice Mine, presenting easy targets for a gank - let's blow us his ships." = In-game griefing. Fair play. "Listen, the guy with 27 accounts told me he's depressed cos his marriage has broken down, I want to encourage you, the hundreds, if not thousands of people who follow my example, to mail this guy and tip him over the edge." = Cyber-bullying. Has no place in our game. If you can't see the difference, I'm sorry for ya. If you can't see the bad press it creates for CCP, you're blinded by devotion to Mittens. If you can't see the damage it's done to Alex's personal reputation, and the risk it poses to his future employment prospects, you're mad.
"Look, a dude running 27 accounts who confirms he is depressed because his marriage has broken down, let's gank him in an attempt to tip him over the edge!" = Cyber-bullying according to your context.
See what I did there?
Because we ganked him, without realising what he is suffering from, does not excuse us of our 'evils', then we must of been cyber-bullying him for a long time.
Or must I bring out a certain video in the form of 'Serenity Now' crashing a 'funeral' in WoW? Would you class that as fair-play (and totally funny), or cyber-bullying because they are kicking someone who is already confirmed to of departed?
Also implying EVE Online/CCP has enough clout to influence a bunch of fogeys running a business. I think good sir, that the mad one is you. |
Fox Amatin
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:39:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:I keep having to rewatch that video, I really don't understand the reaction it received. The suicide aspect wasn't central to the joke, nor was any call for harassment. These threads simply exagerate the mittanis words, and try and create some scandal over it.
Reality is, that entire panel was pretty boring. Even the in-game player "the wiz" didn't give a **** about it, and reading his "suicide threat" it was hardly serious.
+1
Now It's at a point that it's blown out of proportion. Some of these posts ... No just no. |
AtaSaal
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:41:00 -
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Capacity gear wrote:
avatar = guy ??? nope,. avatar = avatar
some avatar said he was gonna kill himself = funny ****
met person i rl and was told he was gonna kill himself = me laughing, not caring, but no threadanaught
You can laugh like you want. An lawyer will teach you different. There is no Avatar, there is you as an person and as soon as your "victim" is pissed enough -> a real person will face real prosecution. From a socio-cultural aspect, stuff get ignored by the victim most of the time. But from the point of the law, there is no Avatar and you are responsible for your actions. There are no Avatars in jail, real people get into jail. ;)
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Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:45:00 -
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Show me the medical evaluation of this guy having a history of mental instability.
The we talk. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:47:00 -
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Welsige wrote: Show me the medical evaluation of this guy having a history of mental instability.
The we talk.
QFT |
Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:47:00 -
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AtaSaal wrote:
There are no Avatars in jail, real people get into jail. ;)
Have to remember this next time i play monopoly and my piece go to Jail :::scared::: |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:48:00 -
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Welsige wrote:AtaSaal wrote:
There are no Avatars in jail, real people get into jail. ;)
Have to remember this next time i play monopoly and my piece go to Jail :::scared:::
Make sure not to roll three doubles! |
Capacity gear
Stella Contego Security Stella Stargate Security
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:49:00 -
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AtaSaal wrote:Capacity gear wrote:
avatar = guy ??? nope,. avatar = avatar
some avatar said he was gonna kill himself = funny ****
met person i rl and was told he was gonna kill himself = me laughing, not caring, but no threadanaught
You can laugh like you want. An lawyer will teach you different. There is no Avatar, there is you as an person and as soon as your "victim" is pissed enough -> a real person will face real prosecution. From a socio-cultural aspect, stuff get ignored by the victim most of the time. But from the point of the law, there is no Avatar and you are responsible for your actions. There are no Avatars in jail, real people get into jail. ;)
what is this law you speak of?? this in the INTERWEBZ!!!!! your laws mean nothing here!!!
but seriously, which country's law would you adopt in this case as every country has its own idea on what is legal and illegal?
for instance sleeping with a 15yo in my country would have you tryed as a pedophile sex offender,.. however in Denmark its perfectly legal,.. so are all danes pedos? |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
135
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:50:00 -
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I don't know what worries me more.
The incident or the vast amount of players rallying in it's defence because they just can't see why it was over the line.
The staggering amount of people who actually are admitting they would cal "JUMP" to someone standing on a ledge is far more concerning than the incident at hand.
Looking back I see people jumping in defence of Mittens actions at the Fanfest like there was no tomorrow. Now Mittens appologised for his words. Realising that the behaviour was unacceptable. Yet some people still feel the need to defend a mistake someone made.
After Mittani's appology, do you still hold on to your defences that there was nothing to appologise about?
If you want to give his appology any credebility then why are you working so darn hard to devaluate his appology?
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Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:55:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:I keep having to rewatch that video, I really don't understand the reaction it received. The suicide aspect wasn't central to the joke, nor was any call for harassment. These threads simply exagerate the mittanis words, and try and create some scandal over it.
Reality is, that entire panel was pretty boring. Even the in-game player "the wiz" didn't give a **** about it, and reading his "suicide threat" it was hardly serious.
He must be happy and heading out of depression by now, seeing all this attention and people carring about him, 10 bil richer and Space Famous now forever inserted into EVE story. |
JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:57:00 -
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Lenrir Andven wrote: "Look, a dude running 27 accounts who confirms he is depressed because his marriage has broken down, let's gank him in an attempt to tip him over the edge!" = Cyber-bullying according to your context
See what I did there
Because we ganked him, without realising what he is suffering from, does not excuse us of our 'evils', then we must of been cyber-bullying him for a long time.
The difference, however, is that Mittens professed to know, used the knowledge as the basis for an attack, and encouraged others to join said attack, at a panel, at a CCP-run media event
That's not the standard I expect from a person I elected to represent the player community in this game.
And before you carry on trying to defend Mittens, go back and re-read his apology. He seems to know he called this one wrong. All I'm saying is that his response to the wrong call is not sufficient. I think he needs to resign, not just apologise. |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:00:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote: After Mittani's appology, do you still hold on to your defences that there was nothing to appologise about?
If you want to give his appology any credebility then why are you working so darn hard to devaluate his appology?
While I agree with the main part of the post I am commenting on the quoted.
Yes they can. What someone sees as something worth appologising for is personal. I have appologised for behaviour where I have had friends saying it is nothing to appologise for.
You also have to factor in instinctive behaviour. Generally when backed into a corner you come out fighting. They were backed into a corner and went on the defensive. After saying for so long it is nothing to appologise for they can't then do an about face, some people think it would show weakness and some are even raise to believe appologising is a weakness.
All in all regardless of their personal aoppinion he has appologised and what they say really has no effect on the "value" or lak there of of that appology. It is only as meaningful as the person making it means it to be.
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Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
467
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:02:00 -
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Heimatar Auctioneer JTK Fotheringham
"Block/Ignore" those two people and this thread is much more reasonable.
IMO, the amount of effort these two have put into this thread to tarnish the good name of our King, The Mittani should be considered harassment and I'm going to petition for both of their accounts to be banned.
This is an outrage.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:02:00 -
[2185] - Quote
JTK Fotheringham wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote: "Look, a dude running 27 accounts who confirms he is depressed because his marriage has broken down, let's gank him in an attempt to tip him over the edge!" = Cyber-bullying according to your context
See what I did there
Because we ganked him, without realising what he is suffering from, does not excuse us of our 'evils', then we must of been cyber-bullying him for a long time.
The difference, however, is that Mittens professed to know, used the knowledge as the basis for an attack, and encouraged others to join said attack, at a panel, at a CCP-run media event That's not the standard I expect from a person I elected to represent the player community in this game. And before you carry on trying to defend Mittens, go back and re-read his apology. He seems to know he called this one wrong. All I'm saying is that his response to the wrong call is not sufficient. I think he needs to resign, not just apologise.
I read his apology, but that doesn't mean what he thinks is the hive mind to what the members of GS thinks. After all, we aren't CSM, so we are allowed to think what is best for us, in this case, defending us from the nefarious with hunters who demand his resignation. |
Walker Ahashion
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:04:00 -
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I think it's gone beyond "The Mittani" "CSM" and "OH my god eve is so real, we have a CSM leader saying something and whats going to happen to the heat sink prices?" It's stepped into the real world now and so is beyond the bubble. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:05:00 -
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Walker Ahashion wrote:I think it's gone beyond "The Mittani" "CSM" and "OH my god eve is so real, we have a CSM leader saying something and whats going to happen to the heat sink prices?" It's stepped into the real world now and so is beyond the bubble.
Whelp, better lock our firewalls and keep our computers firmly in check, you never know. A gangsta might just pop out and e-stab you. |
Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
765
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:06:00 -
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Welsige wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:I keep having to rewatch that video, I really don't understand the reaction it received. The suicide aspect wasn't central to the joke, nor was any call for harassment. These threads simply exagerate the mittanis words, and try and create some scandal over it.
Reality is, that entire panel was pretty boring. Even the in-game player "the wiz" didn't give a **** about it, and reading his "suicide threat" it was hardly serious. He must be happy and heading out of depression by now, seeing all this attention and people carring about him, 10 bil richer and Space Famous now forever inserted into EVE story.
I am sure his parents would be equally happy and heading out of their grieving had he killed himself too.
They can do a lot with 10b isk! The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:08:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer JTK Fotheringham
"Block/Ignore" those two people and this thread is much more reasonable.
IMO, the amount of effort these two have put into this thread to tarnish the good name of our King, The Mittani should be considered harassment and I'm going to petition for both of their accounts to be banned.
This is an outrage.
Aye, this thread is as bully as the video, probably more. People are using this to push their own agendas of Mittani hatred.
Stop hatting.
You are all bullies and deserve being banned from the game. |
CNL Jack Oniel
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:08:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:I don't know what worries me more.
The incident or the vast amount of players rallying in it's defence because they just can't see why it was over the line.
The staggering amount of people who actually are admitting they would cal "JUMP" to someone standing on a ledge is far more concerning than the incident at hand.
Looking back I see people jumping in defence of Mittens actions at the Fanfest like there was no tomorrow. Now Mittens appologised for his words. Realising that the behaviour was unacceptable. Yet some people still feel the need to defend a mistake someone made.
After Mittani's appology, do you still hold on to your defences that there was nothing to appologise about?
If you want to give his appology any credebility then why are you working so darn hard to devaluate his appology?
If u notice the only people coming to his defence are goons and friends the majority of eve think that this time he has stepped to far . He has always walked a tight line sometimes but this time just 1 step to far . The fact that he has not stepped down already shows the he does not really care. If He himself does not want to promote this kind of stuff once again he should have stepped down oh wait he has not . |
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