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Tajidan
TURN LEFT
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:08:00 -
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The CSM should clearly end itself. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
401
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:11:00 -
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CNL Jack Oniel wrote:If u notice the only people coming to his defence are goons and friends the majority of eve think that this time he has stepped to far . He has always walked a tight line sometimes but this time just 1 step to far . The fact that he has not stepped down already shows the he does not really care. If He himself does not want to promote this kind of stuff once again he should have stepped down oh wait he has not . No, plenty of sensible people have stepped forward to defend him. You "one step too far" idiots sound like you haven't even seen the video, you're just very easily shocked people trying to kick up a fuss because you have nothing better to do. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |
Ruiner Drudge
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:12:00 -
[2193] - Quote
This thread is stupid and you should all feel ashamed of yourselves. |
Mikron Alexarr
New Age Solutions The Laughing Men
66
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:13:00 -
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quick question:
How the hell has this made it to 108 pages?
There's all this raging indignation on both sides, and still people are talking about what is a fairly straightforward thing. I won't express my opinion or condemn any single argument. I'll just point out the things that don't make much sense to me.
Only so much can be said about a topic that is so simple. Mittens got drunk, said something at an optional panel that happened to be broadcast on Eve TV for it's entertainment value. He was not calling on the harassment of a real person or an E-mail address that a real person would use to handle all of their day to day activities. His eve persona was under attack (beyond optional), which is nothing new for Eve players. Mittens is not the only person to harrass someone to the point of quitting eve - even if he might be the most public.
These are the facts. No one else has been chastized by CCP or entities outside of Eve for these kinds of grief tactics. Indeed, the Guiding Hand scheme was a large magnet to bring people to Eve. It was not decried by the populace at large. It was praised as a testament to the open sandbox nature of Eve and drew in far more people than would have left as the numbers have clearly shown over the years (from the new marketing guy's presentation).
This all being said, the more fodder you give to the troll, the more power (influence) he will have as that is what Eve is all about at the end of the day. No party is doing anything to damage the reputation of Mittens, and in fact, everyone talking about it is giving him exactly what one party doesn't want him to have (more influence). If you want to kill trolls, the only weapon that works (aside from killing their corporal form) is apathy. Show them that you don't care (by not discussing it) and you will do more damage to said troll and his supporters than a permanent ban from devs or an arrest from law enforcement ever could. |
JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:14:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer JTK Fotheringham
"Block/Ignore" those two people and this thread is much more reasonable.
IMO, the amount of effort these two have put into this thread to tarnish the good name of our King, The Mittani should be considered harassment and I'm going to petition for both of their accounts to be banned.
This is an outrage.
I honestly agree. Nobody should listen to me.
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Dank Man
59
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:16:00 -
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He better resign, he certainly doesnt represent the great thing that is the eve community, even tho he does represent the thousands of idiots in the CFC that apparently follow his lead. He obviously has to do this because CCP would boot him off if he didnt resign, its just saving face, i hope he didnt cut some deal to save his accounts, because he shouldnt even be allowed to play if he is going to harass other players publicly and try to lead others to do the same... |
CNL Jack Oniel
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:16:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:CNL Jack Oniel wrote:If u notice the only people coming to his defence are goons and friends the majority of eve think that this time he has stepped to far . He has always walked a tight line sometimes but this time just 1 step to far . The fact that he has not stepped down already shows the he does not really care. If He himself does not want to promote this kind of stuff once again he should have stepped down oh wait he has not . No, plenty of sensible people have stepped forward to defend him. You "one step too far" idiots sound like you haven't even seen the video, you're just very easily shocked people trying to kick up a fuss because you have nothing better to do.
so what you are saying if a friend of yours was feeling depressed and somebody else encouraged people to make that person actually go ahead and top himself and he did then you would be ok with that . I am sure u would not . |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:18:00 -
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JTK Fotheringham wrote:Zagdul wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer JTK Fotheringham
"Block/Ignore" those two people and this thread is much more reasonable.
IMO, the amount of effort these two have put into this thread to tarnish the good name of our King, The Mittani should be considered harassment and I'm going to petition for both of their accounts to be banned.
This is an outrage. I honestly agree. Nobody should listen to me.
I see we have reached an agreement citizen.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
253
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:19:00 -
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Kalathia Eginald wrote:Killer Gandry wrote: After Mittani's appology, do you still hold on to your defences that there was nothing to appologise about?
If you want to give his appology any credebility then why are you working so darn hard to devaluate his appology?
While I agree with the main part of the post I am commenting on the quoted. Yes they can. What someone sees as something worth appologising for is personal. I have appologised for behaviour where I have had friends saying it is nothing to appologise for. You also have to factor in instinctive behaviour. Generally when backed into a corner you come out fighting. They were backed into a corner and went on the defensive. After saying for so long it is nothing to appologise for they can't then do an about face, some people think it would show weakness and some are even raise to believe appologising is a weakness. All in all regardless of their personal aoppinion he has appologised and what they say really has no effect on the "value" or lak there of of that appology. It is only as meaningful as the person making it means it to be. Real adults know when to admit they are wrong. Are we surprised by the goons not getting it? |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
623
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:22:00 -
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The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care.
He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you. |
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Heredom
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:22:00 -
[2201] - Quote
111 pages! Done, signature edited with perfection!... |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:23:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care. He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you.
Heh, if it isn't this, then it would be 100+ pages about the Titan Nerf. |
Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
245
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:23:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care. He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you.
He has not moved on, he said despite the apology and isk he thinks what was done is wrong and he is not sure whether to accept the apology as he is still upset right now. |
Capacity gear
Stella Contego Security Stella Stargate Security
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:24:00 -
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I have an important announcement!!
this is pretty shocking so i hope you are all sitting down for this:
my name isn't really 'Capacity gear',......astounding i know, take a few min's to take it in
I'm glad i've got that out of the way, now i'd just like to say if anyone says/mails/derps live on stage any negative (or positive) comments about me (capacity gear) i will not hold it against them, and i wouldn't expect CCP to do either |
Capacity gear
Stella Contego Security Stella Stargate Security
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:29:00 -
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Benilopax wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care. He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you. He has not moved on, he said despite the apology and isk he thinks what was done is wrong and he is not sure whether to accept the apology as he is still upset right now.
Not surprised his wife left him then,.. little cry baby,. she probably off **** -ing a real man lolololololololololollolololololololololollolo |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
139
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:31:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care. He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you.
As a CSM he is a representative of the player base and as such is also accountable to the player base as far as if he should resign or not.
They can ask for his resignation if they think it's warranted, but they can't force that resignation request to happen, only CCP can do that once the candidates are elected.
But he's already said that he'll resign, so if he has any decency he'll do just that. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
468
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:33:00 -
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Capacity gear wrote:Benilopax wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care. He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you. He has not moved on, he said despite the apology and isk he thinks what was done is wrong and he is not sure whether to accept the apology as he is still upset right now. Not surprised his wife left him then,.. little cry baby,. she probably off **** -ing a real man lolololololololololollolololololololololollolo
Hypocrite.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Walker Ahashion
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:35:00 -
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Lenrir Andven wrote:Walker Ahashion wrote:I think it's gone beyond "The Mittani" "CSM" and "OH my god eve is so real, we have a CSM leader saying something and whats going to happen to the heat sink prices?" It's stepped into the real world now and so is beyond the bubble. Whelp, better lock our firewalls and keep our computers firmly in check, you never know. A gangsta might just pop out and e-stab you.
yup, even worse, some key board warrior hardman from eve might come along and really scare us all. |
Capacity gear
Stella Contego Security Stella Stargate Security
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:35:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Capacity gear wrote:Benilopax wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care. He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you. He has not moved on, he said despite the apology and isk he thinks what was done is wrong and he is not sure whether to accept the apology as he is still upset right now. Not surprised his wife left him then,.. little cry baby,. she probably off **** -ing a real man lolololololololololollolololololololololollolo Hypocrite.
oowww wtfbackfire!!! dammit!
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stoicfaux
838
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:36:00 -
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Mikron Alexarr wrote:quick question:
How the hell has this made it to 108 pages?
There's all this raging indignation on both sides, and still people are talking about what is a fairly straightforward thing. I agree that it should be straightforward. However, the Dust/Sony deal tremendously complicates things.
Is Sony going to want to be associated with a game (Eve) that is known for exceptional douchebaggery on a niche game like Dust? (Even though the Dust-Eve is pretty revolutionary.) Sony has already had more than a few well publicized black eyes, do they really want to risk getting linked to a cyberbullying story or a game that encourages smack talk, bullying, etc.? If you're familiar with the "deep pockets" legal concept, does Sony want to risk being dragged into a lawsuit over Eve douchebaggery? Is Sony going to use this incident as leverage to force CCP to renegotiate the terms of the deal? Is Sony going to require that CCP place content filters, moderators, and other safeguards in place that will either cost CCP a lot or will jeopardize the whole Dust-Eve interaction?
I think Mittani's off the cuff comment is going to have greater repercussions than anyone first realized.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:40:00 -
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Dank Man wrote:He better resign, he certainly doesnt represent the great thing that is the eve community, even tho he does represent the thousands of idiots in the CFC that apparently follow his lead. He obviously has to do this because CCP would boot him off if he didnt resign, its just saving face, i hope he didnt cut some deal to save his accounts, because he shouldnt even be allowed to play if he is going to harass other players publicly and try to lead others to do the same...
Reported, I wont accept beign called a idiot on a online game, i am gettign very depressed by now. |
Telegram Sam
The Drones Club
243
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:43:00 -
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This thread features a pretty sharp divide between the philosophical mature people and the philosophically immature people. |
Mikron Alexarr
New Age Solutions The Laughing Men
67
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:44:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Mikron Alexarr wrote:quick question:
How the hell has this made it to 108 pages?
There's all this raging indignation on both sides, and still people are talking about what is a fairly straightforward thing. I agree that it should be straightforward. However, the Dust/Sony deal tremendously complicates things. Is Sony going to want to be associated with a game (Eve) that is known for exceptional douchebaggery on a niche game like Dust? (Even though the Dust-Eve is pretty revolutionary.) Sony has already had more than a few well publicized black eyes, do they really want to risk getting linked to a cyberbullying story or a game that encourages smack talk, bullying, etc.? If you're familiar with the "deep pockets" legal concept, does Sony want to risk being dragged into a lawsuit over Eve douchebaggery? Is Sony going to use this incident as leverage to force CCP to renegotiate the terms of the deal? Is Sony going to require that CCP place content filters, moderators, and other safeguards in place that will either cost CCP a lot or will jeopardize the whole Dust-Eve interaction? I think Mittani's off the cuff comment is going to have greater repercussions than anyone first realized.
And if my entire quote was used, it would be fairly clear that all of those things are non-issues. The entirety of my post:
"quick question:
How the hell has this made it to 108 pages?
There's all this raging indignation on both sides, and still people are talking about what is a fairly straightforward thing. I won't express my opinion or condemn any single argument. I'll just point out the things that don't make much sense to me.
Only so much can be said about a topic that is so simple. Mittens got drunk, said something at an optional panel that happened to be broadcast on Eve TV for it's entertainment value. He was not calling on the harassment of a real person or an E-mail address that a real person would use to handle all of their day to day activities. His eve persona was under attack (beyond optional), which is nothing new for Eve players. Mittens is not the only person to harrass someone to the point of quitting eve - even if he might be the most public.
These are the facts. No one else has been chastized by CCP or entities outside of Eve for these kinds of grief tactics. Indeed, the Guiding Hand scheme was a large magnet to bring people to Eve. It was not decried by the populace at large. It was praised as a testament to the open sandbox nature of Eve and drew in far more people than would have left as the numbers have clearly shown over the years (from the new marketing guy's presentation).
This all being said, the more fodder you give to the troll, the more power (influence) he will have as that is what Eve is all about at the end of the day. No party is doing anything to damage the reputation of Mittens, and in fact, everyone talking about it is giving him exactly what one party doesn't want him to have (more influence). If you want to kill trolls, the only weapon that works (aside from killing their corporal form) is apathy. Show them that you don't care (by not discussing it) and you will do more damage to said troll and his supporters than a permanent ban from devs or an arrest from law enforcement ever could."
The TL;DR is why is everyone feeding the troll? This is exactly what they want. If Sony was concerned about this 'incident', they have so many others that will cause more user hemoraging than this isolated (in effect only one guy was targetted) incident that WILL play out when Dust hits PS3. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
403
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:51:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care. He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you.
You seriously don't belong in the world of grown ups if you don't understand.
Quote:He was not calling on the harassment of a real person
In the game of Eve online the word for killing yourself is "Biomass", used as a verb. He did not ask the player to biomass. He would not be ashamed or in trouble right now if he told him to biomass, or for others to encourage it. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
296
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:53:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care. He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you. You seriously don't belong in the world of grown ups if you don't understand. You were ganked by a goon? |
low26
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:57:00 -
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It is a simple as this
His comments were mean spirited and way over the top. As a lawyer Mittani has to know he is responsible for what he says alcohol or not
As CSM chairman Mittani represents Eve Online like it or not. At a time Eve should be getting good press from the gaming world, I.E. during fanfest, instead we look like a bunch of @zzhats. Have you seen some of the comments people have made about Eve on these gaming sites? They are not good, Eve looks like a bunch of un-caring bullies. Way to go Mittens
If CCP has any shred of credibility at all they have to remove him from the CSM unless this is how they want their company perceived. If the Mittani loves EVE as much as he claims he would step down himself and save CCP the trouble. Either way CCP has itself a P.R. problem with the gaming world and it's player base
Remove Mittens and the company improves its P.R. image in the gaming world and among its non Goon player base. Keep him and Goons are happy but your image suffers. Best solution Mittens steps up falls on the sword and keeps his zerglings in-line from some kind of stupid retaliation against the Eve community
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
403
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:57:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care. He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you. You seriously don't belong in the world of grown ups if you don't understand. You were ganked by a goon?
If you really wanted to know that you could look it up, but you don't really want to know that, you just want free likes from goons for taunting me. I'll give you your like, and you come back when you learn to internet. You should apply to their alliance BTW. They will give you a good deal on application fees and carriers. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
298
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:18:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:If you really wanted to know that you could look it up, but you don't really want to know that, you just want free likes from goons for taunting me. I'll give you your like, and you come back when you learn to internet. You should apply to their alliance BTW. They will give you a good deal on application fees and carriers. All I know is that Mittani has made many enemies in this game over the years and that they all smell blood right now and think they have a good chance to force him off his elected chair. These threadnoughts are not mainly about the badly chosen spur of the moment remark during Q&A at fanfest. This is about revenge. You smell blood. And you are going for the kill. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
126
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:22:00 -
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low26 wrote: If CCP has any shred of credibility at all they have to remove him from the CS
And how CCP will maintain their credibility if they remove at will player-elected representatives? How will CSM be ever taken seriously not as CCP puppets, who can't dare to cross CCP's opinion
Quote: unless this is how they want their company perceived. If the Mittani loves EVE as much as he claims he would step down himself and save CCP the trouble. Either way CCP has itself a P.R. problem with the gaming world and it's player bas
Remove Mittens and the company improves its P.R. image in the gaming world and among its non Goon player base.
From a PR, advertisement and subscriber count point of view, quite probably Mittens has done more good than bad for CCP. |
Fly byNighter
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:25:00 -
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for the Leader of the CSM to act this way is preposterous!!!! He need to step down in his leadership role ASAP!!!!!! I don't want to Eve get a bad name to the gaming community because of one dumb ass trying to show off as being hot ****!!!!
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