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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
129
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Posted - 2012.05.20 06:29:00 -
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Get rid of local, all secs. It fixes almost everything. You would have to work to locate a target. You would have to work to avoid a target. There would be risk in high sec. There would be risk in all secs.
Freighters could be caught during a war dec. Freighters could get through during a war dec.
You would still have Concord retaliation in high sec. You could still be camped though if you break the camp it would be harder to hunt you down. Certainly no worse that what we have now but with compelling gameplay.
It would solve cloaky camps people complain about. It would give a point to cloaks people complain about.
It would make neutral alts almost irrelevant. Though not 100%. It would certainly make playing with one account a lot less of a disadvantage. Sure you might lose a few alt account subs, but you would gain many more subs by having more compelling gameplay. What good is a scout profession when they're revealed as soon as they enter system?
The changes the expansion are bringing aren't going to revitalize low sec or null sec and its certainly not going to promote or fuel war. Quite the opposite.
The devs and the playerbase talk a lot about EVE being hardcore, but as of yet i'm not really seeing the hardcore aspect to the game.
The game is a boring campfest. Removing local removes that to a large degree.
To my ultra Orthodox carebear players, uncle Caliphy isn't throwing you under the bus. The threats you worry about occuring with this change would actually be resolvable by a merc corporation. If you are decced and you hire a merc the merc cannot sneak up on the enemy with everything displayed for them. They may be able to make your tormentors life a little more difficult but in most cases can't force a fight under those conditions. With no local they could. If you are camped by a griefdec and you hire a reasonably sized merc to help you the griefer will never see them coming. It's win/win.
Even null entry points would be camped far less. Lets see the thirty man bubble camp consistently do it when a 150 man roaming gang warps in on them and they never see it coming.
Local is holding EVE back. Period. Get rid of it and let EVE become great. |
Alara IonStorm
2204
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Posted - 2012.05.20 06:33:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote: It would solve cloaky camps people complain about. It would give a point to cloaks people complain about.
Uncloak aliegned, tap bomb, warp to safety. No time to get reinforcements on grid to help or even lock targets.
Hurray for 100% Safe uncounterable attacks. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
129
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Posted - 2012.05.20 06:36:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote: It would solve cloaky camps people complain about. It would give a point to cloaks people complain about.
Uncloak aliegned, tap bomb, warp to safety. No time to get reinforcements on grid to help or even lock targets. Hurray for 100% Safe uncounterable attacks.
Then nerf bombs. Change them. Make them super powerful torpedoes that can only hit capitals. It would be a small sacrifice, and im a dedicated cloaky kind of player, for the greater good of the game.
But also remember that even if that were the case no local means that for that to occur a scouting operation would have had to occured as well. |
Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx Luna Sanguinem
81
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Posted - 2012.05.20 06:39:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote: It would solve cloaky camps people complain about. It would give a point to cloaks people complain about.
Uncloak aliegned, tap bomb, warp to safety. No time to get reinforcements on grid to help or even lock targets. Hurray for 100% Safe uncounterable attacks.
This is pretty much how it works now, even with local.
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Ditra Vorthran
State War Academy Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.05.20 06:40:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:You would have to work to locate a target.
That might work if you removed all default warp points for asteroid belts from the system menu. At the same time, make asteroid belts scanable via core probes. Otherwise, if you just remove local, it gives everyone the equivalent of a cloaking device until they're practically on top of you. |
Alara IonStorm
2204
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Posted - 2012.05.20 06:42:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote: But also remember that even if that were the case no local means that for that to occur a scouting operation would have had to of occured first. Maybe it would be a well earned uncounterable attack.
No you don't need a scouting operation. No Local take 5 Ships into a Sanctum and and wait or just check them all.
Caliph Muhammed wrote: Then nerf bombs. Change them. Make them super powerful torpedoes that can only hit capitals. It would be a small sacrifice, and im a dedicated cloaky kind of player, for the greater good of the game.
Nerf one of the best Anti Blob weapons in the game for this? How about instead go to wormhole space.
You wanna remove Local you gotta make cloak ships detectable and huntable to some degree.
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Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
474
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Posted - 2012.05.20 07:03:00 -
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You could even make folks appear in local only when they use it - like the NPC corp channel. One wrong move and the jig is up. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1469
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Posted - 2012.05.20 07:15:00 -
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This OP is filled with "no" and seasoned with "unsubstantiated fail".
Grow some balls.
Biomass yourself. |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
50
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Posted - 2012.05.20 08:00:00 -
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this thread again worded what looks like the same old one that got squashed cause some idiot has no idea how to read the lore and why it is there and it is not in WHs?
Please biomass the toon now and save yourself the headaches down the road |
Botleten
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.05.20 08:01:00 -
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If this were implemented, it would increase the danger of living in nullsec. You would need to balance this in some way, through increasing the defensive ability of nullsec dwellers. I would agree to removing local if it was instead replaced with an automated intel network based on sovereignty that automatically reported all violations of alliance space by a non-friendly entity, making instantly available to everyone in the alliance and blue to the alliance the intruder's ship type, location, kill history, and profile link. |
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
773
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Posted - 2012.05.20 08:02:00 -
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I have balls. They are on your chin.
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
130
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Posted - 2012.05.20 13:12:00 -
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Ziranda Hakuli wrote:this thread again worded what looks like the same old one that got squashed cause some idiot has no idea how to read the lore and why it is there and it is not in WHs?
Please biomass the toon now and save yourself the headaches down the road
Lore lol. The games a snoozefest. |
Benny Ohu
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
122
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Posted - 2012.05.20 13:28:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:kitty poo
Never touch kitty poo, by the way, there's a type of parasite egg that can move from the poo to your brain. I saw it on TV.
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:this thread again worded what looks like the same old one that got squashed cause some idiot has no idea how to read the lore and why it is there and it is not in WHs?
Please biomass the toon now and save yourself the headaches down the road
There's actually a game attached to the lore, you should check it out |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
141
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Posted - 2012.05.20 13:29:00 -
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This is the 500th post like this I've read. |
Medarr
ZeroSec
0
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Posted - 2012.05.20 13:33:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:This is the 500th post like this I've read.
but but... I like my localintelIseeyoubeforeyourgridloadsandicanwarpoftosomepos local..... savy?
Also QFT |
Benny Ohu
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
122
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Posted - 2012.05.20 13:38:00 -
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"Savvy", capiche? |
Ohanka
The Lone Patrol Tactical Narcotics Team
41
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Posted - 2012.05.20 13:59:00 -
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You are one of the stupidest to have ever lived. |
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
64
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Posted - 2012.05.20 14:06:00 -
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If you don't like local, go to wormhole space. Nobody's going to change the game on account of one mechanic you don't like. |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
509
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Posted - 2012.05.20 14:28:00 -
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You're going to love my balls. |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
760
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Posted - 2012.05.20 14:33:00 -
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I understand completely
And as my current wartarget you sat on a gate two jumps from me while you obvious alt lolled around trying to find me.
The Vindy was not bad but you should rethink the fitting on the tengu.
And as you are currently docked up in a station as im missioning i started to wonder if you will ever come out to play.
And you wardec me my Sociopathic friend I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
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St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
795
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Posted - 2012.05.20 14:37:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:kitty poo Never touch kitty poo, by the way, there's a type of parasite egg that can move from the poo to your brain. I saw it on TV. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis |
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.05.20 14:38:00 -
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Ziranda Hakuli wrote:this thread again worded what looks like the same old one that got squashed cause some idiot has no idea how to read the lore and why it is there and it is not in WHs?
Please biomass the toon now and save yourself the headaches down the road
You realize the game is made to be fun and then the lore is written around that, not the other way around. The lore doesn't actually make sense the way it is, if gates record everyone who comes through and puts them in local why do people that jump into system via other methods than gate show up in local (jump drive, medclone jump, etc)? Doesn't go with the lore. Maybe you should actually learn the lore yourself before you come to the forums being a douche.
I am so in support of this idea. Local chat is making PvP more stagnant than any other mechanic in Eve. In a sandbox that is advertised as hardcore and unforgiving I don't see why we need an auto infallible intel tool. In a game of skill like eve, scouting should take more skill than the ability to count heads in local. If you have a roam, and you don't use proper scouts a larger fleet should be able to gank and kill you. Now days you don't need proper scouts because you can see a local spike clear as day. Local chat makes pvp'ers lazy and unskillful. We shouldn't have to live in a WH to not have our hands held in Eve. If I wanted someone to hold my hand I would play WoW, yet I am hear so CCP please stop holding our hands. |
NickyYo
StarHug
112
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Posted - 2012.05.20 14:44:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Get rid of local, all secs. It fixes almost everything. You would have to work to locate a target. You would have to work to avoid a target. There would be risk in high sec. There would be risk in all secs.
Freighters could be caught during a war dec. Freighters could get through during a war dec.
You would still have Concord retaliation in high sec. You could still be camped, though if you break the camp it would be harder to hunt you down. Certainly no worse that what we have now but with compelling gameplay.
It would solve cloaky camps people complain about. It would give a point to cloaks of which people complain about.
It would make neutral alts almost irrelevant. Though not 100%. It would certainly make playing with one account a lot less of a disadvantage. Sure you might lose a few alt account subs, but you would gain many more subs by having more compelling gameplay. What good is a scout profession when they're revealed as soon as they enter system?
The changes the expansion are bringing aren't going to revitalize low sec or null sec and its certainly not going to promote or fuel war. Quite the opposite.
The devs and the playerbase talk a lot about EVE being hardcore, but as of yet i'm not really seeing the hardcore aspect to the game.
The game is a boring campfest. Removing local removes that to a large degree.
To my ultra Orthodox carebear players, uncle Caliphy isn't throwing you under the bus. The threats you worry about occuring with this change would actually be resolvable by a merc corporation. If you are decced and you hire a merc the merc cannot sneak up on the enemy with everything displayed for them. They may be able to make your tormentors life a little more difficult but in most cases can't force a fight under those conditions. With no local they could. If you are camped by a griefdec and you hire a reasonably sized merc to help you the griefer will never see them coming. It's win/win.
Even null entry points would be camped far less. Lets see the thirty man bubble camp consistently do it when a 150 man roaming gang warps in on them and they never see it coming.
Local is holding EVE back. Period. Get rid of it and let EVE become great.
Local in null sec should be removed and that is all.
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
131
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:02:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:I understand completely
And as my current wartarget you sat on a gate two jumps from me while you obvious alt lolled around trying to find me.
The Vindy was not bad but you should rethink the fitting on the tengu.
And as you are currently docked up in a station as im missioning i started to wonder if you will ever come out to play.
And you wardec me my Sociopathic friend
Yeah right. You logged out all yesterday. Talk is cheap sir. Your killboard shows exactly what you're made of. But don't you worry my killers aren't going to let up. I'll be logged in 23/7 for the duration of us hunting you. Welcome to EVE offline. You tell the story yourself, we were coming after you. |
adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:13:00 -
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Title... "fuel war" etc... called marketing... they did a war dec fail change... now its fuel for war or whatever... called MARKETING...
Also lol @ no local... what do you idiots not understand about most of eve players are IN hs... TBH the only FIX is to remove low and null rofl... |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
463
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:22:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:This is the 500th post like this I've read.
Does he win a prize? |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1199
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:22:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote: It would solve cloaky camps people complain about. It would give a point to cloaks people complain about.
Uncloak aliegned, tap bomb, warp to safety. No time to get reinforcements on grid to help or even lock targets. Hurray for 100% Safe uncounterable attacks.
forget for a moment that bombs glide at a fairly slow speed for 30k before exploding.... more than enough time for an aligned ship to hit the warp button
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Niko Takahashi
United Starbase Systems
52
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:23:00 -
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Fully support the op. Local is for chicken *****. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
812
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:25:00 -
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Luv2chat in local Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
131
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:38:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Luv2chat in local
Good point, so take the OP instead as "showing up in local completely voluntary for all secs". |
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