your the standout from goonswarm then lol

Lol check my kill board. Been in wh low and most frequently null. With small gang action not blobbing. I'm actually in hi sec atm to give this new merc stuff a try. But I find myself roaming low sec to fill in the gaps (check yesterday). Killing noob gankers solo. Especially those who chronically run MWDs.

A local that allows you to tell if it's friend or foe, gives you a false impression of the EVE universe.

I don't want local to be removed.
Do some people want it removed all together? I don't agree with that.

They should remove the ability to extract informatin out of it. I don't use the list in my chat, except for intel chanell.

Chat should open you up.
Have a broadcast channel that only reaches so far as well.

You hit the nail on the head. Null Local should not tell anyone who is in the system unless they are broadcasting at which point they are fair game.

I would even goes so far as to say anyone radiating command links like Fleet assistance modules should probably show up as well as the signal radiates through a whole system and would be as easy to hide as a mountain.

The one thing you fail to understand. This is only your opinion. It can be right, or it can be wrong. On the same principal, I am happy with the way local behaves. Right or wrong, thats my opinion. The fact remains, local is in the game, and your opinion as this stands, is not that of CCP's atm.

Everytime you log into the game, you agree to play the game as it stands. That also includes playing with local, in hi/low, null sec. Moaning about something you have already agreed upon is bordering on the hypocritical. Sure, feel free to offer suggestions. Nothing wrong in that, but to argue against mechanics of a game, that the makers have deemed appropriate, and lets be fair, the majority of players seem to want in the game. Proves that there is chance of your opinion being wrong, rather than right.



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Make the game a mysterious and true space experience. The baddies can adapt or be replaced by a more worthwhile demographic.

Wormholes are thaddaway ------------->

Zim go away. Shoo! You have no constructive arguments to add to the thread just spam. Your opinion is so dull and inane to read on every single page that you should be embarrassed for forcing the public to have to sift through it. You won't be the reason local goes or stays. Believe it.

I am always willing to assume my ideas are right, wrong, laughable, insane, completely demented or worse.

But the one thing that the history of this game has taught us is: If you don't fight for your ideas they will never happen (and then CCP will do something even crazier).
I will not tell you your opinion is wrong, it's your opinion, your perspective so how can it be wrong. It may differ from my opinion but I own mine as well. I will tell you if I believe predictions you make are wrong, or if I believe you are just talking out your butt.

And just because the game is the way it is now does not mean I or anyone else should not argue for change.
BTW I prefer not to use the words Majority on the forums as most of the games players never come here and don't know what we are arguing about. We are all Lobby groups here all with specific view points, no one here should ever believe they are with or against the majority of EvE players on any point, that way leads to madness.

By your argument no one should have complained about Incarna, they all logged in, all agreed to the EULA and TOS and got shafted. Are you implying everyone who was pissed over their computers blowing up and the ability to buy $70 monicles should have been happy instead as this was CCP's view for the future?

I'll take that an admission that you are in fact just a risk-averse "pirate" looking for easy-mode ganks.

Wormholes do not have access to everything i'm after. They have no access to local market hubs, freighter traffic worth mentioning, nor can I find a select target I may be after unless they so happen to come through one of 2500 I may be in. I'll stop dismissing points when one is actually made.

And the whole youre hisec you're this or that is juvenile at best. I could say if you're nullsec youre an irrelevant ***** to the alliance leader. It would fit most.

I'm hisec because I choose to be and nothing else matters to that point. And it has no relevance on the gamebreaking, immersion destroying, amateur function we call local chat.

Thats just it, they didn't log in. By doing so they didn't agree to anything. Also if you had read my post properly, suggestions are a viable source of input, against something. Especially when the voice of the majority (lets say forum dwellers) is against it too.

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A self-diagnosed sociopath is hurling florid verbiage at me in an attempt to divert attention away from the discrepancies between what he claims to want and what his suggestions and in-game activities reveal about his genuine desires. I am mortified.

Literally anything in EVE would be more hardcore and visceral than what you are doing right now. Miners and mission-runners take more risks than you do. So for you to claim that I or anyone else can't hack in a really hardcore game is utterly risible.

A self-diagnosed sociopath is hurling florid verbiage at me in an attempt to divert attention away from the discrepancies between what he claims to want and what his suggestions and in-game activities reveal about his genuine desires. I am mortified.

Literally anything in EVE would be more hardcore and visceral than what you are doing right now. Miners and mission-runners take more risks than you do. So for you to claim that I or anyone else can't hack in a really hardcore game is utterly risible.

So now you are saying peoples computers started to fry because they thought about incarna.

By that idea we would have a suggestion box on the eve site and the forums would just be Role playing and market checks and CCP could "mediate" them to their hearts content.

I'll stop dismissing points when one is actually made.

So let's see if I've got this right. Most people who are running plexes in nullsec (at between 50 and 75m/hour) are currently running them in PVE-fitted ships (which according to you isn't necessary). But to do the same job in a PVP-fitted ship, you'd have to bring more people, which splits the reward between two (or more) people, so we're down to less isk/hour than L4s. Which means we'd both be better off having a L4 char in empire for when we need to do some isk-making.

Then we add your local changes (or rather just the removal thereof, since you never come up with anything other than "REMOVE LOCAL EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!"), and we have to add a char or a guy on each gate to watch for roaming gangs, which further degrades the isk/hour figure, making L4s even more attractive.

Which brings me back to my assertation of a few days ago: just removing local will depopulate null and lowsec even further, and make the use of NPC corps or neutral alts even more prevalent in hisec during warsdecs. Which'll mean less people to shoot out in null and lowsec, and even less effective wardecs in hisec.

Unless, of course, you're going to keep harping on about how "I'm wrong" and "the population would increase", in while totally ignoring all the empiric evidence which has been shown just the last year or so alone, f.ex through what happened in null after the anom buff (people moved out to nullsec), after the anom nerf (people moved back to hisec to do L4s), and also given what happened to incursions after the incursion nerf (incursions are apparently somewhat deserted now, compared to when they were choc full, just because the isk/hour went down).

Oh WOW!!!!, Did I really say "peoples computers started to fry because they thought about incarna"? Really?. Oh my oh my oh my. How silly of me. What I really meant to say was "Thats just it, they didn't log in. By doing so they didn't agree to anything"

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So the basis of your argument seems to be that people should have used suggestions to complain about incarna with out ever having used the product in question?

Once again we are back to beliefs. I believe that if you haven't even logged into the game you really shouldn't complain about it. Bit like going into a new restaurant and asking to speak to the manager because the food is utter crap, before you have even ordered.

"I want a game about spaceships"
*gets an expansion about virtual pants which costs more than real pants*

Gee. I wonder how one could possibly complain about incarna without ever having used it. It boggles the mind.

Was the Nex price list ever published by an EvE dev blog?

Also Im curious as to how you know my sociopathy is self diagnosed? Trust in Karn the lonely, teenaged, "Jewish-American" who pretends to be a professional by quoting summaries he read on a website?

Currently in EVE not a single soul should die unless they choose to. That's not hardcore. Thats inane.

Zim I don't die unless I choose to