no need to read this thread its going to be full of null bears, telling you how bad you are at eve.

or

its going to be full of null bears telling you thats a GREAT idea as soon as they get something JUST AS GOOD to replace local.

This OP is filled with "no" and seasoned with "unsubstantiated fail".

Grow some balls.

Biomass yourself.

I would only support removing local if the directional scanner was made automatic. As much as you have to check D-Scanner now, you'd have to check it constantly. That would quickly get very old; this idea needs to be balanced out with making DScanning less laborious.

However, I don't know how much server load this would add; my gut feeling says it would be a lot. But without that, as much as I like the idea of removing local, this needs to be the compromise.

guess what, child : nobody cares about your friends and what you think the world might look like.
Its actually kinda funny to be told how my job (software-developer) works - by a kid .... but have it your way.



Cute.

I would only support removing local if the directional scanner was made automatic. As much as you have to check D-Scanner now, you'd have to check it constantly. That would quickly get very old; this idea needs to be balanced out with making DScanning less laborious.

However, I don't know how much server load this would add; my gut feeling says it would be a lot. But without that, as much as I like the idea of removing local, this needs to be the compromise.

So you want the classic Elite scanner in the HUD for the current game grid you are on? Baiscally that would be a visual representation of the overview we have now. Visually pleasing but also not practical for game play (clicking targets etc) but WOULD give you added information on their location (ABOVE or BELOW and visually their range away and not just in KMs).

Like this... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c4/BBC_Micro_Elite_screenshot.png

But this won't scale well for full local, such as in Jita or so on. What about also Scanner Jammers, a new weapon to jam the overview... could have fun with that :)

But I'm all for delayed local as we have in W-space. The only immediate chat should be in F12 help, private / custom channels, corp / aliance channels etc.

I guess you have never lived in Wspace then. Scared much?

or it would actually be an elite directional scanner-lookalike, in which case you'd have to calculate coordinates at every refresh, which wouldn't scale very well when looking at large fleet fights.

If its made to do the same exact thing local does automatically thats not a compromise. It can be made automatic but not infallible.

No additional calculations were necessary, the EvE-universe already has 3 coordinates, all of which always have to be processed - your GPU would have to render a small UI-element but thats about it ... i guess since threedimensional calculations are what GPUs are built for it would actually IMPROVE performance in fleetfights

If its made to do the same exact thing local does automatically thats not a compromise. It can be made automatic but not infallible.

But... if local is removed how would I watch scammers spam?

Yeah but the information explosion for expanding it to include LOCAL and not just the GRID you are on would just make it useless and a pixel BLOB.

indeed - i guess two different views would be needed, just like switching between directional and system-scan

i think that's a good idea, but it should not show up cloaked ships, for that you would need to actualy use a specialist ship with a module designed to locate said cloaked ships ( not easy like current probes are ) also i'd think D scans range should be effected by the angle used, 360% drops the range by 75% of current strenght and so on down to a scan angle of 45, beyond that the range increases by 15% per 10 angle dropped.

i think that's a good idea, but it should not show up cloaked ships, for that you would need to actualy use a specialist ship with a module designed to locate said cloaked ships ( not easy like current probes are ) also i'd think D scans range should be effected by the angle used, 360% drops the range by 75% of current strenght and so on down to a scan angle of 45, beyond that the range increases by 15% per 10 angle dropped.

The thing about hiding cloaked ships from the mechanic which'll warn someone who's actually paying sufficient amounts of attention, is that it'll shift the chosen ship of use for roaming, to cloaked ships such as T3s etc.

As to the specialized ship for detecting cloaked ships, would that be usable to not only detect that there is a cloaked ship, but also where?

but hasn't the chosen ships in a lot of cases already changed to SBs and so on ?

and yes, i'd agree that the specialized ship should be able to detect and locate, but it shouldn't be too easy. also i's say that the specialized ship should be able to fire a tag at the enemy ship, so it can't cloak again for a period of time, say an hour, that way a moving cloaked ship is pretty safe to a point, atleast until it's caught and tagged. again once it's moving it's still going to be hard to kill, a good pilot will jump from SS to SS without the danger of being caught. for hours.

Simple Fix. Remove local and overhaul the scanner into something that resembles radar in an actual spaceship. The scanner is about the only thing in EVE that has not been changed much if at all since release in 05. No local but if I open up my scanner (and yes have it autoscan) ships will appear with the same color tagging system thats already in place for local. This alone adds so much more immersion to EVE imho. Theres not alot of work involved in intel with this game which is why it starts to seem so small so fast.

Never going to happen.

Good post.

If local was removed you'd get more frustrated high sec pvp'ers like you're self, too scared to go in a WH, Lowsec or Nullsec because of some lame logistical excuse or for an unseen, presumed menace ( like finding people who are willing and able to shoot back ) , relying on a ever growing army of neutral's scouts to find their victims it will basically be like the suicide ganker providing a warp in, plus about as close to pvp as that is.