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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.05.29 01:46:00 -
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What's more hilarious is if you push him on why he's not using wormholes, he starts whining about how hard it is to update his market orders from within the wormhole, how much work it is to deal with POSes etc, only to turn around and basically demand that the entirety of the eve universe must do much more work to even have a modicum of chance to even get back to a station intact, for absolutely no increase in reward. |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.05.29 01:57:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:So the basis of your argument seems to be that people should have used suggestions to complain about incarna with out ever having used the product in question?
Once again we are back to beliefs. I believe that if you haven't even logged into the game you really shouldn't complain about it. Bit like going into a new restaurant and asking to speak to the manager because the food is utter crap, before you have even ordered. "I want a game about spaceships" *gets an expansion about virtual pants which costs more than real pants* Gee. I wonder how one could possibly complain about incarna without ever having used it. It boggles the mind. Was the Nex price list ever published by an EvE dev blog? I don't know, I'm not going to bother spending time finding out. You know why? Because there's this thing called "reading the negative press in other news outlets". Which, I presume, is a place where it's more likely that more people actually read about the expansion than in a devblog. So taking hearsay rather than facts. The media quite often get things wrong. I personally wouldn't like to base an argument entirely on hearsay I had read of a news outlet.
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
Local Channel in Null must Die. Jump Drives need Nerfing. Null is meant to be dangerous and hard. Not safe and boring. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.05.29 02:20:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Also Im curious as to how you know my sociopathy is self diagnosed? Trust in Karn the lonely, teenaged, "Jewish-American" who pretends to be a professional by quoting summaries he read on a website? I'm sorry but what does the fact that he is a Jewish American have to do with anything? You should be very careful here as I or others may see this as being anti-Semitic and harassment of another player. I think the reason that you are not getting the responses that you like is a result of you being confused. Earlier in this very thread you made this claim: Caliph Muhammed wrote:Currently in EVE not a single soul should die unless they choose to. That's not hardcore. Thats inane. I think this is a statement based on some players "risk-averse" mentality. Further in the thread you made this claim directed towards Lord Zim: Caliph Muhammed wrote:Zim I don't die unless I choose to So you don't die unless you choose to but don't want other people to have that choice? The gist of this entire diatribe of yours in no different than carebear whining. You want something to make the game better for YOU without regard for its effects on others. While I do not in any way agree with the opinion you have presented here, I do recognize and respect your right to that opinion. Enjoy your day.
In Karns numerous trolls he made sure to invoke his jewishness on many occasions. I merely highlighted what he wanted everyone to know.
I don't die unless I choose to because local makes not dying trivially easy. Do I really need to elaborate on that point? I mean really?
Yes, I have no problem upsetting people who's gameplay revolves around keeping the game of EVE a **** poor attempt at being a hardcore game when its in fact a softcore campfest. May they all quit and be replaced by people who would make the game fun and worthwhile instead of the tedious shitpile it currently is.
Labeling my "diatribe" carebear whining may work when you're preaching to the choir but anyone with a shred of intellect, like the almost 50 people who have liked it so far know different. Your "diatribe" is no different than the rest of the candyass scrub muffins trying to defend their position without evidence save for you choose words that give you a softer demeanor. |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.05.29 02:22:00 -
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Hear Hear :) Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
Local Channel in Null must Die. Jump Drives need Nerfing. Null is meant to be dangerous and hard. Not safe and boring. |
Kimmi Chan
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2012.05.29 02:34:00 -
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Mors Sanctitatis wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Get rid of local, all secs. It fixes almost everything. You would have to work to locate a target. You would have to work to avoid a target. There would be risk in high sec. There would be risk in all secs.
Freighters could be caught during a war dec. Freighters could get through during a war dec.
You would still have Concord retaliation in high sec. You could still be camped, though if you break the camp it would be harder to hunt you down. Certainly no worse that what we have now but with compelling gameplay.
It would solve cloaky camps people complain about. It would give a point to cloaks of which people complain about.
It would make neutral alts almost irrelevant. Though not 100%. It would certainly make playing with one account a lot less of a disadvantage. Sure you might lose a few alt account subs, but you would gain many more subs by having more compelling gameplay. What good is a scout profession when they're revealed as soon as they enter system?
The changes the expansion are bringing aren't going to revitalize low sec or null sec and its certainly not going to promote or fuel war. Quite the opposite.
The devs and the playerbase talk a lot about EVE being hardcore, but as of yet i'm not really seeing the hardcore aspect to the game.
The game is a boring campfest. Removing local removes that to a large degree.
To my ultra Orthodox carebear players, uncle Caliphy isn't throwing you under the bus. The threats you worry about occuring with this change would actually be resolvable by a merc corporation. If you are decced and you hire a merc the merc cannot sneak up on the enemy with everything displayed for them. They may be able to make your tormentors life a little more difficult but in most cases can't force a fight under those conditions. With no local they could. If you are camped by a griefdec and you hire a reasonably sized merc to help you the griefer will never see them coming. It's win/win.
Even null entry points would be camped far less. Lets see the thirty man bubble camp consistently do it when a 150 man roaming gang warps in on them and they never see it coming.
Local is holding EVE back. Period. Get rid of it and let EVE become great. I'm glad you think so. I think that you would benefit from reading the thread in my signature: Intelligence shouldn't be free. Please let me know what you think of it.
Mors posted this on Page 17. With a link to his thread - Intelligence shouldn't be free.
He also asked you to give him some feedback on it. It was actually a decent read and I like the potential it presents. I, like Mors, am curious about what your thoughts are on this concept. The idea the Recon hulls would be used for... recon was very compelling.
+1 Mors - some good food for thought.
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.05.29 02:36:00 -
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Perhaps I will. But i'm happy with EVEs gameplay as is save for local chat. Its game breaking, immersion wrecking, amateur and needs to go. |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
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Posted - 2012.05.29 02:47:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:
In Karns numerous trolls he made sure to invoke his jewishness on many occasions. I merely highlighted what he wanted everyone to know.
I don't die unless I choose to because local makes not dying trivially easy. Do I really need to elaborate on that point? I mean really? Choice in that context isn't a desire but a matter of common sense. I would LOVE to die. But as it stands i'd have to be braindead to do so without allowing it to happen.
Yes, I have no problem upsetting people who's gameplay revolves around keeping EVE a **** poor attempt at being a hardcore game when its in fact a softcore campfest. May they all quit and be replaced by people who would make the game fun and worthwhile instead of the tedious shitpile it currently is.
Labeling my "diatribe" carebear whining may work when you're preaching to the choir but anyone with a shred of intellect, like the almost 50 people who have liked it so far know different. Your "diatribe" is no different than the rest of the candyass scrub muffins trying to defend their position without evidence save for you choose words that give you a softer demeanor.
You dont die, unless you choose. Well let me think why. Is it because when you WD, and they come to fight, you run and squeal back to the station? Is it because you never go into Null or WH's?. Is it because you only "Prey" is PVE.
You make me laugh, you really do. You have no experience in null, yet you seem to think you have all the answers to fix it. You have no experience in WH's, but seem to think It's mechanics are suitable to all of EVE. Your "prey" seems to be non PvP'ers, and you wonder why you cannot be killed.
Seriously dude. You have not even touched the tip of the iceberg of this game. PVP wise. Take what your OP thread Title says and practice what you preach. You want PVP without Local. then go to WH's. As I said you dont have to live in a WH to enter it. Go and see what removing local means. Then come back when you have experienced it. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.05.29 03:17:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:
Major posting error there. Ill respond later. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.05.29 03:25:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:
You dont die, unless you choose. Well let me think why. Is it because when you WD, and they come to fight, you run and squeal back to the station? Is it because you never go into Null or WH's?. Is it because your only "Prey" is PVE.
You make me laugh, you really do. You have no experience in null, yet you seem to think you have all the answers to fix it. You have no experience in WH's, but seem to think It's mechanics are suitable to all of EVE. Your "prey" seems to be non PvP'ers, and you wonder why you cannot be killed.
Seriously dude. You have not even touched the tip of the iceberg of this game. PVP wise. Take what your OP thread Title says and practice what you preach. You want PVP without Local. then go to WH's. As I said you dont have to live in a WH to enter it. Go and see what removing local means. Then come back when you have experienced it.
Yes, Depends, No & No. That's for the first paragraph.
The second you're basically going on a rant, talking out of your rectum while making assumptions. It comes down to "If you abstain from NULL your ability to form a coherent sentence and argument is an impossibility." Im guessing you're about 17?
The third appears to be where you pretend you're the leader of some major alliance and that pvp or EVE in general changes somehow when you step through the next stargate. I suppose it does to a degree, in the sense that there are larger swarms of baddies waiting to gatecamp than the gate previous.Or that they can use bubbles and bigger ships to make it easier. I dont recall mentioning null exclusively but be assured whatever change I recommended for it would be infinitely better than one you could muster.
Its not rocket science Einstein. If it were, you wouldn't be out there. |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
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Posted - 2012.05.29 03:45:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:
You dont die, unless you choose. Well let me think why. Is it because when you WD, and they come to fight, you run and squeal back to the station? Is it because you never go into Null or WH's?. Is it because your only "Prey" is PVE.
You make me laugh, you really do. You have no experience in null, yet you seem to think you have all the answers to fix it. You have no experience in WH's, but seem to think It's mechanics are suitable to all of EVE. Your "prey" seems to be non PvP'ers, and you wonder why you cannot be killed.
Seriously dude. You have not even touched the tip of the iceberg of this game. PVP wise. Take what your OP thread Title says and practice what you preach. You want PVP without Local. then go to WH's. As I said you dont have to live in a WH to enter it. Go and see what removing local means. Then come back when you have experienced it.
Yes, Depends, No & No. That's for the first paragraph. The second you're basically going on a rant talking out of your rectum making assumptions. It comes down to "If you abstain from NULL your ability to form a coherent sentence and argument is an impossibility." Im guessing you're about 17? The third appears to be where you pretend you're the leader of some major alliance and that pvp or EVE in general changes somehow when you step through the next stargate. I suppose it does to a degree in the sense there are larger swarms of baddies waiting to gatecamp than the gate previous and that they can use bubbles and bigger ships to make it easier. Its not rocket science Einstein. If it were you wouldn't be out there.
You can form any opinion. Opinions gained from experience, are more valued than Waffle from someone who never has. You should never delude yourself, that you opinions matter if you have never experienced. You scoff at the opinions of those that have at least some experience in these areas. whose is the mature one here?
Your third answer evades the whole question. Is that because you don't have a viable answer. WH's give you EXACTLY what you want. Yet you still REFUSE to acknowledge them as a completely viable source, for your playstyle. I can only imagine why this must be so. My best guess is that you still want soft targets to be your "Prey". If this is the case then your whole thread has not been for the good of EVE, but the benefits to yourself only.
o7
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.05.29 03:48:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote: You can form any opinion. Opinions gained from experience, are more valued than Waffle from someone who never has. You should never delude yourself, that you opinions matter if you have never experienced. You scoff at the opinions of those that have at least some experience in these areas. whose is the mature one here?
Your third answer evades the whole question. Is that because you don't have a viable answer. WH's give you EXACTLY what you want. Yet you still REFUSE to acknowledge them as a completely viable source, for your playstyle. I can only imagine why this must be so. My best guess is that you still want soft targets to be your "Prey". If this is the case then your whole thread has not been for the good of EVE, but the benefits to yourself only.
o7
I have zero interest rehearsing the same non arguments with quite frankly, daft people. WH's dont give me exactly what I want and wouldn't change the premise even if they did. You can ask 99 more convoluted questions and i'm probably going to skip over them unless I find one that is poignant and merits taking the time to bother. |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
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Posted - 2012.05.29 04:09:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote: You can form any opinion. Opinions gained from experience, are more valued than Waffle from someone who never has. You should never delude yourself, that you opinions matter if you have never experienced. You scoff at the opinions of those that have at least some experience in these areas. whose is the mature one here?
Your third answer evades the whole question. Is that because you don't have a viable answer. WH's give you EXACTLY what you want. Yet you still REFUSE to acknowledge them as a completely viable source, for your playstyle. I can only imagine why this must be so. My best guess is that you still want soft targets to be your "Prey". If this is the case then your whole thread has not been for the good of EVE, but the benefits to yourself only.
o7
I have zero interest rehearsing the same non arguments with quite frankly, daft people. WH's dont give me exactly what I want and wouldn't change the premise even if they did.
You have yet to give 1 single valid arguement against WH's. As I have said removing local from HI/low, and null, Would make them almost like WH's. Entering a system without local would be exactly the same as entering a WH. Now please tell me. What would be so different, that you prefer to stay in HI sec without local, for your kills, and getting themfrom a WH?
Admit it. Real PvP scares the **** out of you. Everything you have said, has led to this. You hide behind the security of HI sec. Your "prey" are soft targets. The Agent finder being your "local" (be it somewhat unreliable to a certain degree), is the only reason you can even ask for the removal of local. Without it, you wouldn't even be here. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.05.29 04:11:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:[
You have yet to give 1 single valid arguement against WH's. As I have said removing local from HI/low, and null, Would make them almost like WH's. Entering a system without local would be exactly the same as entering a WH. Now please tell me. What would be so different, that you prefer to stay in HI sec without local, for your kills, and getting themfrom a WH?
Admit it. Real PvP scares the **** out of you. Everything you have said, has led to this. You hide behind the security of HI sec. Your "prey" are soft targets. The Agent finder being your "local" (be it somewhat unreliable to a certain degree), is the only reason you can even ask for the removal of local. Without it, you wouldn't even be here.
Because I market trade in Jita and having to leave the wormhole multiple times per hour would be unbearable. Consider the valid argument presented. The rest of your post is hot air. Its a fallacy known as Appeal to Ridicule.
Example: Hey guys look at his alliance. Its a big joke because it has no sovereignty but its members talk as if they are relevant to null sec. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.05.29 04:23:00 -
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In the interest of fairness I think you make a fair point about locater agents. Certainly worth considering a modification of but not so detrimental as to make the OP irrelevant. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.29 05:41:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Because I market trade in Jita and having to leave the wormhole multiple times per hour would be unbearable. Consider the valid argument presented. The rest of your post is hot air. Its a fallacy known as Appeal to Ridicule.
Congratulations, you are the worst at Eve Online, both the internet spaceship game, and the forums.
Removing local is not the solution to your problem. Rolling a market alt and parking it in Jita so you can keep you PvP guy where the action is is what you need to do. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.05.29 05:44:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Because I market trade in Jita and having to leave the wormhole multiple times per hour would be unbearable. Consider the valid argument presented. The rest of your post is hot air. Its a fallacy known as Appeal to Ridicule.
Congratulations, you are the worst at Eve Online, both the internet spaceship game, and the forums. Removing local is not the solution to your problem. Rolling a market alt and parking it in Jita so you can keep you PvP guy where the action is is what you need to do.
Thats an interesting point of view. Tell me then why do we need skill clones that go into the 100 million mark when we can all stop training and roll an alt to fill the niche. You think it might be because convenience and diversity are the motivation? |
Onyx Nyx
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.29 05:49:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Because I market trade in Jita and having to leave the wormhole multiple times per hour would be unbearable. Consider the valid argument presented. The rest of your post is hot air. Its a fallacy known as Appeal to Ridicule.
Congratulations, you are the worst at Eve Online, both the internet spaceship game, and the forums. Removing local is not the solution to your problem. Rolling a market alt and parking it in Jita so you can keep you PvP guy where the action is is what you need to do. Thats an interesting point of view. Tell me then why do we need skill clones that go into the 100 million mark when we can all stop training and roll an alt to fill the niche. You think it might be because convenience and diversity are the motivation? Being able to do more than one activity on your toon is the whole point of classless character development.
But then you got no right to complain either. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.05.29 05:50:00 -
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@Onyx Nyx - I must have missed the EVE being free to play announcement, post a link? |
Onyx Nyx
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.29 05:51:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:I must have missed the EVE being free to play announcement, post a link?
Here you go. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.05.29 05:53:00 -
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Onyx Nyx wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:I must have missed the EVE being free to play announcement, post a link? Here you go.
I'm sorry your confused thats not free to play, thats work in exchange for gametime. As it so happens
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Onyx Nyx
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.29 06:00:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Onyx Nyx wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:I must have missed the EVE being free to play announcement, post a link? Here you go. I'm sorry your confused thats not free to play, thats work in exchange for gametime. As it so happens RABBLE RABBLE
It is for me, enough to pay for my accounts and fund my pewpew. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.05.29 06:00:00 -
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Yeah its rabble rabble isn't it? |
Onyx Nyx
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.29 06:06:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Yeah its rabble rabble isn't it?
And $309 later and you are still not wiser.
Hilarity ensues. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.05.29 06:08:00 -
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Onyx Nyx wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Yeah its rabble rabble isn't it? And $309 later and you are still not wiser. Hilarity ensues.
Peanut Butter with your Jelly? I can afford to give you some, no charge. |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.05.29 06:09:00 -
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The whole free to pay bit would be funny, if it wasn't so sad that people seem to think plex's just magically appear. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
Local Channel in Null must Die. Jump Drives need Nerfing. Null is meant to be dangerous and hard. Not safe and boring. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.29 06:13:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Because I market trade in Jita and having to leave the wormhole multiple times per hour would be unbearable. Consider the valid argument presented. The rest of your post is hot air. Its a fallacy known as Appeal to Ridicule.
Congratulations, you are the worst at Eve Online, both the internet spaceship game, and the forums. Removing local is not the solution to your problem. Rolling a market alt and parking it in Jita so you can keep you PvP guy where the action is is what you need to do. Thats an interesting point of view. Tell me then, why do we need skill clones that go into the 100 million mark when we can all stop training and roll an alt to fill the niche. You think it might be because convenience and diversity are the motivation? Being able to do more than one activity on your toon is the whole point of classless character development. Also you didn't quite convey your smugness at appropriate levels, it came off as more angry.
You combined a station based profession with a space based profession, now your PvP abilities are hobbled by having to run back to market multiple times an hour.
Meanwhile, everyone else is left scratching there heads because they trained their characters more sensibly, and can enjoy the markets of Jita and the danger of null/w-space without hassle. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.05.29 06:17:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:[quote=Caliph Muhammed]
You combined a station based profession with a space based profession, now your PvP abilities are hobbled by having to run back to market multiple times an hour.
Meanwhile, everyone else is left scratching there heads because they trained their characters more sensibly, and can enjoy the markets of Jita and the danger of null/w-space without hassle.
If I deleted every non combat skill off of my toon i'd still prefer the population of hisec. I answer to no one and have all the positives with zero logistics issues. And none of that has any relevance to pvp being fundamentally broken and a boring campfest because of local. Just because wormholes are a potential less optimal replacement for just local chat doesn't make it a non issue. All of the people i'd wish to attack wouldn't so happen to live in my wormhole or even wormholes in general.
And everyone isnt in disagreement with me. 40 so far have liked the post while I don't think a disagreeing post in the thread has recieved 10 yet. The truth is most people worry about retaliation for posting their ideas or find it unenjoyable to respond to critique. |
steejans nix
0beron Construct Tribal Dragons
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Posted - 2012.05.29 07:04:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:..........................
I must admit I not read a lot of this thread but skimmed the first few pages only I not see you ask for locator agents to be removed or watchlist's to be gotten rid of along with local for balance purposes?
Is this an oversight or intended on you're part, because if you take away the mechanics which the wardecced can see if they being hunted ( which already is a joke btw with all the neutral scouts ) and leave in the mechanics the wardeccers have to find there targets, oh and don't trip out the targets can use locator agents line, it a lot diferent to see where you're target is to start the hunt, than it is to find out where ONE of you're enemies are and you got to wait to find out a agent guessing at where he is as it's delayed for some minuites.
Also how do you manage now to pvp and go to jita several times an hour now to alter market orders ?
A market alt would seem to solve all you're problems, would allow you to alter market orders several times an hour and still experience the local free fighting you desire, also everyone in there would be a target for you.
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Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.05.29 07:15:00 -
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Pretty much everything you've said thus far in this thread has confirmed my hypothesis that you are a risk-averse wardec ganker who wants easy-mode kills.
It has also confirmed my secondary hypothesis that you are a delusional idiot. |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.05.29 07:19:00 -
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steejans nix wrote: Also how do you manage now to pvp and go to jita several times an hour now to alter market orders ?
When your pvp consists of ganking wartarget freighters in trade hubs, it can be pretty easy.
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