Unless there's a counter, then cloaked ships just became even more overpowered against ratters and miners.


The only thing that's removed from the equation is the fact that people see them, what it's been replaced with is the need to assume that there's always 1 or more cloaked ship in a system or on the way, and as such you've got to have 1 alt (or 1 person) sitting cloaked on grid with each gate and wormhole in system, with the sole purpose of staring at that gate to see who comes and who goes. And they still have to assume that at any point in time someone can log on from, say, the day before. And since they're cloaked, they can pick and choose the time of the engagement, and all it takes is for one guy to be inattentive or be left alone for a few seconds, and pop he goes.

This all works in wormholes because there are limits to how many entries there are to a system, and the rewards are massively higher than in nullsec, so for those who decide to go to wormholes, they've weighed the risk vs reward and gone "yes, I think I want me some of that". People in null, low and hisec haven't had to add this variable to the equation, and if they have to, a lot of them will move, which'll render a lot of what "remove local" people wants moot, because there'll be even fewer people to actually hunt.

"Remove local" proponents such as Caliph keeps claiming that my point about people leaving f.ex nullsec is false has himself stated, on the record, that he has weighed up the work he has to put in to stay in wormholes, and decided that it wasn't for him, and it wasn't even the huge amount of work his "final solution to the local problem" would entail; no, it was just the fact he would have to roll a market alt to buy/sell stuff, or the few hours every now and again he'd have to spend to keep a POS fuelled, bring in a bit of ammo etc etc etc.


What mechanics does this target have at his disposal to mitigate the risk?

good points, to which i shall answer with the following.

1: to counter cloaked ships a specialised ship & mods is needed, at the moment there is no counter in WH space to cloaked ships. i agree there needs to be a counter to cloaked ships.

2: if they are there cloaked and afk and can't be seen at all then they are indeed useless as a trolling/griefing tool, me personally, i'd like to be able to locate and pop afk cloaked ships.

3: if in a fleet use the agents also to watch for your enemies locations also use scouts to watch for apporching targets, if alone, use agents to locate your enemy also, keep moving, sitting stil makes you an easy target.

i'm not up for remove local and make cloaked ships god ships, im' up for make local like wh local, but balance it all off, local is horrible, it doesn't make for better game play, it makes for oooohhh look reds in local, never undock, don't jump in, super safe local channel saves the day,, where's the counter to that ?

A mining ship isn't a combat ship so I would hope that the covops is the stronger combat option. As for ratters what on earth type of ratter has a ship that covert ops dps can manhandle? If he means more than 1 then the ratter should die.

BTW wtf is a ratter? Is that just another way of describing the phenomenon of the player using the highest DPS ship they've trained for and hunting belt rats or is there a special ship/skillset that ive overlooked that makes it somehow less capable of being rigged for pvp and pve? I personally think its a codeword for "Miners With Guns."

Huh. So he really doesn't know the difference between a PVE-fitted ship and a PVP-fitted ship?

Yeah in capable hands a warp disruptor. I know that post punched hard but if you want to avoid it don't respond at all. Stop trying to alienate me. In case you havent figured it out yet it doesn't work and in most cases the people you try and draw for support when you have your ass handed to you aren't anymore up for the job than you are.

Grow some balls [...] im a dedicated cloaky kind of player

So you're going to go on record and claim that the only difference between a PVE-fitted ship, and a PVP-fitted ship, is the addition of a warp disruptor?

Funny how you avoided talking about plexes.

We didn't talk about c5s either. You mentioned ratters and miners. Did you mention Plexes? Funny how you didn't yet you ask me whether I did. Need more time to eek out more tripe or have you tired of having your ass handed to you?

Spoken like someone who has absolutely no clue on how to use f.ex a purifier to kill a ratting/plexing ship.

I did, actually:


But hey, thanks for going on record, since it shows just how out of touch with nullsec you actually are.

But hey, thanks for going on record, since it shows just how out of touch with nullsec you actually are.

If nullsec is so full of carebears like you EVE is an even bigger fraud than I first thought. But we both know you dont represent anyone but yourself.

And you didnt mention plexing until after I replied. Zim you fail.

ofcource he is ouf of touch with 0.0. All he does is wardecking corps in high sec and some low sec gate camping.

If nullsec is so full of carebears like you EVE is an even bigger fraud than I first thought. But we both know you dont represent anyone but yourself.

And you didnt mention plexing until after I replied. Zim you fail.

Okay. Go to nullsec and do a plex in your version of a PVE fitted ship, then.

I'll just be over here, waiting for the lossmail.


So, uh, when I said "a ratting/plexing ship" , that was me "not mentioning it"?

Since when is nullsec a "PvP-only" zone?

Zim I don't die unless I choose to. Its that simple. And anyone with a IQ over 100 could say the same thing if they wanted and it would be true. Wormholes the exception.

And all you do is alt post on a bitchass npc corp alt. Hows my taint smell? Youre in the thread irrelevant as ever sniffing it as much as you can.

Okay then. Take the same fit you'd use to PVP or do WH sleeper rats with, and go up against a plex, then. Let's see how well that goes for you.

PS: warping out is for pussies.

garbage

Nah no need. I feel great posting under my main expressing myself as I wish. Scurry back under the dumpster cockroach.

Lol. Actually cockroche. /Smug

Winning!

garbage

Yeah thats why the OP likes keep going up and you're still bravehearting behind a alt.