---== Issue #4 ==---
The 'xxx isk Est. price' bar at the bottom of the Inventory windows is redundant for me in 99.5% of situations and is just wasting space. Please give me the option to turn it off!

Issue 4 (the est price):
We canGÇÖt guarantee that every piece of the UI fits your exact usecase. Information like this will continue to be available globally. By this logic every single piece of EVE should have an off button, which we won't do.

Let me pile on a few days too late and say the new inventory system is slow, tedious, counter intuitive and i join my voice to the chorus asking for the old inventory back - which CCP has said it cannot do.

My question is, where was the CSM in all of this? did they not see this fiasco coming? were they too busy along with CCP looking at new, inventive and innovative ways to further nerf high-sec and lvl 4 missions? looks like it......random module damage....datacores to faction warfare.....who knows what else.

CCP Soundwave,

What's really interesting is that even many posters who claim they "could maybe" like the new UI, suggest that the corp hangar button be reinstated and open in a new window, that the station hangar and ship hangar buttons be draggable to the neocom (and open in a new window,) and that wrecks/cans also open in new windows. A position which, if you think about it, is also advocating a return to the previous interface's functionality. If CCP made those changes, which I'm all for, the interface would no longer be "unified." It becomes a multi-windowed system again, which is the only conceivable solution for a great many industrialists and traders. As I've written before, and as remains my position, the one-windowed system is flawed by design and it "is" the problem. Functionality and efficiency aside, loading everything into one window is even the source of the lag.

You can "tweak" the engine of a car with no wheels all day long....but you aren't going to get very far.

My suggestions:

1.) Merge the new UI and the Assets tab - since that's what it is. It's an unified, one-windowed, all-assets interface and at the moment, we have two assets managers. At least then the work wasn't wasted. That way, if players "want" to scroll through a gazillion items by location, they still can, and they'll even have new isk estimates and m3 values to boot.

2.) For the love of nachos, restore one click, multi-windowed functionality. End this one-windowed nightmare asap. You tried it and it has not been received well. That's unfortunate. (It's almost like there should be some testing process to alert you in advance or something.) The one-windowed system was doomed from day one. It should have never made it to Tranquility imo. We've been working with multiple windows since forever and these windows were usually created by single-clicking on static buttons. It may not have been perfect but it was quick, convenient and simple. This scrolling/right clicking/ open in new window/ resizing ad nauseum process just can't be promoted as a means to access anyone's things "more efficiently." I'm just shocked that anyone at CCP would even purport that this is "more efficient."

The station hangar and ship hangar buttons on the neocom really need to be restored, the corp hangar with its tabs needs to be restored, and wrecks, cans, and pos structures need to open in their own windows and/or close once looted. The bottom line is that until this happens, grief is deserved because we will still be fighting for the restoration of lost functionality.

3.) User-defined windows need to retain their size and position after undocking/jumping.

4.) And surely the least of my concerns, but why can't I "look at" my drones when in combat any longer? All I see now is a green square with a white cross. No drone.

If you guys can implement these changes within the new UI framework, then great. But if its going to take months or can't/won't be done at all, at least give us that information so that the people who absolutely won't adapt can make informed decisions. And if it's the former, then roll us back instead of forcing us to live with this debacle for months. I'm worried, as someone who has a deep appreciation for EVE, and for whom this expansion has depressed my desire to play my favorite game, how that sentiment must be translating throughout the rest of the playerbase. I can't even enjoy any of the other features added in the Inferno expansion because the UI is so central to all activities, it makes everything less-enjoyable.

Thanks for reading and for being present in the forums.

Yonis Kador

mmhmm

MMMORPG.COM :

""CCP does not listen to their players (customers) at all...!?!?!?!

The UNIFIED INVENTORY is the worst idea I have seen in all the upgrades/patches since I started playing the game many years ago. Why would CCP fix a system that worked well and had no problems? And best of all, it failed on SISI and the players all let CCP know about it and they still forced it on us anyway.

I am seeing between 95% to 99% of comments in the forums asking for a return to the old true INVETORY SYSTEM with persistem windows. In my own personal experience the game is now unplayable, I can not manage my POS, or actually do Ratting or Mining in 0.0 with out considerable time and effort. Tasks that used to take only a few key clicks now take me an hour to perform. Then once I leave the station or the POS and return I have to do it all over again, what joy!!!

When the game ceases to be fun and is now a frustrating and extremely time consuming, I no longer desire to spend time in it..."
"

I would like to thank Kasriel for pointing this dev blog, I think it correctly illustrates CCP's attitude back then compared their attitude now. especially in this quote"




I would like to call your attention to the bolded portion , they're trying out a new feature, to get a wider opinion rather than the SiSi testers, however you have to opt in to it. The bold and underlined portion is what they are currently doing to us. note the fact that they're forcing it on you unable to disable it.

CCP what happens to your player driven experience motto.

Care to make a comment on why your attitude is changed? didn't think so.....

it's not even 90% only about 15% of poster want it removed, 10% love it, and the rest of us want it fixed.

Don't make up numbers

Edit:actlly you're not making up numbers, you're just high hacking everyone who posts "The new UI is ****! please fix it!" and then acting like those people want it scraped. we don't.

-snip- I had a strange thought that I'm hoping isn't true: Are we testing DUST's new inventory system?
Please say this isn't true.

Here is some recent history that Blue and I discussed while testing on SiSi.

I was working on War Dec and Kill Reports this release - hope you like that stuff!

Funny thing is that i just today tought that this inventory looks like it would be desinged for playstation controller...

Well now how exact are ur calculations? Did u really go trough every post and took notes? Wonder how long that took...
But ya i understand ur point dont make up numbers... I would say same to u dont make up that crap with people liking the UI because there arent too many of u guys...

Let me fix it for ya.. Roughly 95% of forum thinks UI sux.. Another thing is that what things they are not saticfied in it...

Here is some recent history that Blue and I discussed while testing on SiSi.

but it's the same UI as windows 7. .....

edit:wait what? the tree can be opened inside every single items window? by pressing the >> button? THEN WHY don't windows open like they used to? please make it so we have to hold SHIFT to open a window in the SAME WINDOW.

Clicking buttons to open new windows should work just like before. THEN, we click the >> button, we ge the tree view to move items quickly, once we are done, we can close the tree by pressing << button.

Why can't you do this CCP? it wouldn't even require much change! it wuld be the old UI, with the tree as optional. the tree would only show up by defalt in station in the main items window. By MY CARGO DOESN'T NEED TREE VIEW.

That's why we using other file manager such a Total Commander or other else.
Because Windows Explorer is sh*t.

This was on the 1st page of the EVE Online: Inferno - Feedback thread. Post number 10. This tells me that CCP knew we'd hate this new Inventory. There a is Dev going "Don't blame me. I was working on something else.!"

So after 25 pages here and 50 pages in the Feedback Thread, 90% of them saying this thing is "CRAP" or "junk" or "Stupid" or that is just "SUX" the question is simple. Why can't CCP learn from it's own mistakes? We've been here before......]

"Red flags raised by very smart people both at CCP and in the community went unheeded because of my stubborn refusal to allow adversity to gain purchase on our plans." -Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson, CEO

And so CCP have repeated the same mistake. Making a change, testing it, getting feeback from players that said "THIS SUCKS" then ramming it down the player's collective throats anyway.

"The greatest lesson for me is the realization that EVE belongs to you, and we at CCP are just the hosts of your experience." -Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson, CEO

Well Sir, this was a lesson you didn't learn. You are proving it. The new inventory has made Looting from Wrecks, Player Owned Station operations, Jetcan Mining, Corporate Hanger Ops, and dealing with large amounts of items into a tedious, time wasting, torture sessions. The new system lags. It in some cases makes it harder to find things. It makes you repeat the same actions over and over and over where before it was once. Your people were told time and again during Sisi testing that this change was not a good idea, but you did it anyway. Again....

I would humbly suggest that you either Rollback this change or make it optional as you did with the whole Captain's Quarters fiasco. Let us not take this latest lack of good judgement and turn it into International news.
Prove to us you can learn from your mistakes. And stop repeating them.

Quotes taken from here http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=2672

That's why we using other file manager such a Total Commander or other else.
Because Windows Explorer is sh*t.

That's why we using other file manager such a Total Commander or other else.
Because Windows Explorer is sh*t.