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Mkiaki Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.11.13 14:35:00 - [781] Originally by: Jazuz Krist to all the people whining and quitting can I have your stuff? I like how you all make fun of peoples sad stories about how they lost x amount of isk or got scammed by some dastardly person and you all have a big laugh about it and say they got owned, and they should never trust anyone in eve. well least of all you should trust the ones who make the game the way it is. so stop crying, grow up, and enjoy a taste of your own medicine, dont like it now do ya? Quoting the truth. You guys are filling my mission running heart with joy, you girls cry harder then a guy who's been scammed in Jita.
Uzume Ame Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.13 14:36:00 - [782] Nozh is a shared trolling gamebalance account, unpopular decissions are announced by him for damage control measures. This patch = terribad, CCP devs = terribad. First they announce the **up of system upgrades & upkeep, they are clueless: lvl4 rewards for much more risk. Also they "rebalance" moongoo to swap two bottlenecks (Dyspro/Prom) by one which will be even stronger (Technetium). Then they 're-rebalance' supercaps from soemthing unoriginal and crappy to soemthing compelttly worthless, in addition they ** MS pilots scamming them for 10 bill. (more than 300 bucks vallue, you must be proud of it CCP). CCP, so clueless, it's hard to make things worse. At this pace you will pull a NGE soon, gratz!
Miss Spomo	Posted - 2009.11.13 14:38:00 - [783] Originally by: Mkiaki Originally by: Jazuz Krist to all the people whining and quitting can I have your stuff? I like how you all make fun of peoples sad stories about how they lost x amount of isk or got scammed by some dastardly person and you all have a big laugh about it and say they got owned, and they should never trust anyone in eve. well least of all you should trust the ones who make the game the way it is. so stop crying, grow up, and enjoy a taste of your own medicine, dont like it now do ya? Quoting the truth. You guys are filling my mission running heart with joy, you girls cry harder then a guy who's been scammed in Jita. aww poor lil*** got scamed awww, dont be mad dude
R0ze Exile Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.13 14:39:00 - [784] Originally by: gnome blood No matter how you spin this, it¦s a buff to the moms as they are on TQ at the moment. Could you enlighten us where is that buff? The whole problem about this is the 180 degree turns CCP make and not even sticking to their own initial plans / promises / announcements .. Also if the changes are not intended and will never land on TQ why not a single dev / ccp employee has responded in the past couple of days stating that? Besides the increased forum thread locking and deletes from moderators.. Just to make community angry? If yes - thats accomplished by 120% ..
Pos Pounder	Posted - 2009.11.13 14:40:00 - [785] this "Lets dangle a carrot at player which will never happen and then lets make the MoM cheap so everyone can get them easy" sounds WAY to familiar....... CCP Nozh did you actually work on SWG? was it you who where responsible for the Jedi nerf? Note : im guessing Abathur quit his job over this? i would if somebody who never finish their own stuff come and want to take my job site away from me when its nearly completed, just so he can go up to his boss and say hey i did something today you say what unfinished work? well im not gonna link you your own thread you know where it is and what needs to be done
Larkness modro Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.11.13 14:41:00 - [786] LOLs its amazing how fast CCP locked my thread HEREand yet they wont fix or respond to the concerns raised by us players in this topic - nor did they ever respond again about fixing the cyno effects - one word LAME
Ivanna Nuke Gallente Daralux	Posted - 2009.11.13 14:44:00 - [787] Originally by: Uzume Ame Nozh is a shared trolling gamebalance account, unpopular decissions are announced by him for damage control measures. This patch = terribad, CCP devs = terribad. First they announce the **up of system upgrades & upkeep, they are clueless: lvl4 rewards for much more risk. Also they "rebalance" moongoo to swap two bottlenecks (Dyspro/Prom) by one which will be even stronger (Technetium). Then they 're-rebalance' supercaps from soemthing unoriginal and crappy to soemthing compelttly worthless, in addition they ** MS pilots scamming them for 10 bill. (more than 300 bucks vallue, you must be proud of it CCP). CCP, so clueless, it's hard to make things worse. At this pace you will pull a NGE soon, gratz! Can I have your stuff?
Amy Wang	Posted - 2009.11.13 14:44:00 - [788] Originally by: gnome blood Why do people whine about spending money based on Sisi stats and rumors? Fair enough...but in this case there was a devblog detailing the changes and intentions not just SiSi stats. And that devblog did not say "we might cut this back severely though and change our mind completely" on the contrary it said something along the lines of "if anything there will be additional buffs coming compared to whats now on SiSi". So either CCP is messing with us deliberately or they dont know what they are doing, both is not good. PS: No, I have not bought a mom/sc based on this, I owned one for years, spinning it in space most of the time for lack of a proper use but holding on to it cause they had to fix it some day. Right? Yea...
Uzume Ame Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.13 14:47:00 - [789] Originally by: Ivanna Nuke Can I have your stuff? Your trolling is not amusing. And no, you can't have my stuff, if it ends somewhere it would be on biomass. FAG.
Lupinum	Posted - 2009.11.13 14:47:00 - [790] I have no words for how stupid these changes are. 4 accounts cancelled until this is reversed, or mothership accounts are reimbursed the 12bil owed to them if this goes through.
gnome blood	Posted - 2009.11.13 14:56:00 - [791] Edited by: gnome blood on 13/11/2009 14:56:31 Originally by: R0ze Originally by: gnome blood No matter how you spin this, it¦s a buff to the moms as they are on TQ at the moment. Could you enlighten us where is that buff? EHP and dps has been quadrupled or more from their current stats on the LIVE server. They lost half their dps from the last iteration on the TEST server. Wishful thinking isn¦t game balance. Quote: The whole problem about this is the 180 degree turns CCP make and not even sticking to their own initial plans / promises / announcements .. What promises? They tested one possible change on the test-server. When is that any kind of promise? Quote: Also if the changes are not intended and will never land on TQ why not a single dev / ccp employee has responded in the past couple of days stating that? Besides the increased forum thread locking and deletes from moderators.. Moderators and devs are different people. Forum warriors post a lot of knee-jerk crap whenever there¦s a change. Goddamn stupid lemmings and trolls, most of them. Most of the time the changes turn out good. Maybe not for you personally, but that¦s completely irrelevant - by design. This is an MMO, after all. CCP will explain the changes in a blog. They¦re slow to post that blog, but so what, that¦s nothing new. Quote: Just to make community angry? If yes - thats accomplished by 120% .. I wish people would stop taking game changes personally. Seriously, grow up or GTFO.
tx eight Minmatar Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2009.11.13 14:57:00 - [792] No amount of isk can reverse the PR damage caused by first sovereignity price scheme not being what they announced all along, then half-hearted cut of it and lack of much promised commentary on it for a week, then this stealth-in-your-face mothership crush. They better come up with some detailed and convincing story about all this. Not many people are masochistic enough to play a game knowing that lies, rudeness and scams are the offical policy on community relations.
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.11.13 14:59:00 - [793] Originally by: gnome blood What promises? The ones made before fanfest, at fanfest, in the previous blogs, in particularly the promise that it would become an anti-cap ship — a role that it will not be able to fulfil in any useful way. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Mrs Snowman	Posted - 2009.11.13 14:59:00 - [794] I can understand the frustration from MOM owners, but its a bit arrogant to assume this will "kill eve" Consider all the players out there who dont own them and could probably never own them due to their cost. The percentage of people that own these and regularly use these ships is probably extremely low compared to the general eve player base. You veteran players need to stop thinking about yourself tbh. 0.0 alliances have locked up 0.0 space so tight and shut themselves out to the rest of the community that if everyone who owns a mom cancels their subscription it really wont be a bad thing. There will be 1000 players ready to pounce in your place. Destroy Eve? no, Liberate it maybe.
Mkiaki Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.11.13 15:00:00 - [795] Originally by: tx eight No amount of isk can reverse the PR damage caused by first sovereignity price scheme not being what they announced all along, then half-hearted cut of it and lack of much promised commentary on it for a week, then this stealth-in-your-face mothership crush. They better come up with some detailed and convincing story about all this. Not many people are masochistic enough to play a game knowing that lies, rudeness and scams are the offical policy on community relations. plays violin Adapt or die, welcome to EVE.
Larkness modro Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.11.13 15:01:00 - [796] Originally by: tx eight No amount of isk can reverse the PR damage caused by first sovereignity price scheme not being what they announced all along, then half-hearted cut of it and lack of much promised commentary on it for a week, then this stealth-in-your-face mothership crush. They better come up with some detailed and convincing story about all this. Not many people are masochistic enough to play a game knowing that lies, rudeness and scams are the offical policy on community relations. Aye - HEAR , HEAR I posted my disgust and like a quite a few others i got my thread locked I have 6 accounts now if they think they can just lock my forum posts at whim i believe i need to put another post up this time asking to speak to one their managers since they obviously cannot listen to their customers
Del Girl Shade. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.11.13 15:03:00 - [797] Originally by: Lupinum I have no words for how stupid these changes are. 4 accounts cancelled until this is reversed, or mothership accounts are reimbursed the 12bil owed to them if this goes through. Sadly it really makes no difference to CCP. As all companies do they care more about new subscribers than the ones that have kept them afloat for years. If the 500 Supercap pilots quit, so what? They would just count the cash from 3000 noobs joining. Sad state of affairs but thats the way it seems :(
R0ze Exile Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.13 15:07:00 - [798] Originally by: gnome blood EHP and dps has been quadrupled or more from their current stats on the LIVE server. They lost half their dps from the last iteration on the TEST server. They lost DPS (if you skip the anti-capital role) also compared to current TQ .. EHP is quite useless in general if you have no means of counterreacting. Quote: What promises? They tested one possible change on the test-server. When is that any kind of promise? Read the Dominion devblog regarding supercapital changes .. Quote: Moderators and devs are different people. That is clear / noone asks anything regarding game mechanics from moderators - still their task should be to communicate back and relay the issues which could be solved even just by a simple one-liner from a dev.. That way minimising their own amount of work too. Quote: I wish people would stop taking game changes personally. Seriously, grow up or GTFO. Don't take it seriosly too by sending others somewhere .. People will make their own decision when its enough for them and drop for something else..
Mkiaki Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.11.13 15:07:00 - [799] Originally by: Larkness Originally by: tx eight No amount of isk can reverse the PR damage caused by first sovereignity price scheme not being what they announced all along, then half-hearted cut of it and lack of much promised commentary on it for a week, then this stealth-in-your-face mothership crush. They better come up with some detailed and convincing story about all this. Not many people are masochistic enough to play a game knowing that lies, rudeness and scams are the offical policy on community relations. Aye - HEAR , HEAR I posted my disgust and like a quite a few others i got my thread locked I have 6 accounts now if they think they can just lock my forum posts at whim i believe i need to put another post up this time asking to speak to one their managers since they obviously cannot listen to their customers I do so enjoy your tears over a few pixels, and because you have multiple accounts you feel you have an impact on how they develop their game.
fairimear Gallente Esto Perpetua	Posted - 2009.11.13 15:15:00 - [800] this is wrong. supercarriers should be t2 carriers. make a crap texture for the current ones. give them these stats and leave ms alone. leave the vat bay in and the 20 fb's. so we have carrier - 700mill t2 super carrier. - basicaly the nerfed ms stats. 6bill maybe with a gimic lick covert jump portal. motherships - 16-20bill increase the jump range to. then there's a ship for every one from the vets to the newbs. *Bringing a type of class to PL.*
Seneram Caldari B'haxed Productions The Dominium	Posted - 2009.11.13 15:17:00 - [801] Its quite some bull**** that they go "Easier for smaller alliances!!" "More dynamic 0.0" "Awsome sauce Titans and moms" And then whipe it all out when its going that way... ------------------------------------------------- PewPew
Larkness modro Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.11.13 15:21:00 - [802] yer well ** them im just gonna go play wow for awhile until they fix this - aleast i dont pay real money for my accounts or id be even more ed off at their apparent ignorance - its not their game its our** game the people with active accounts who end up ultimately paying them their weekly cheque's
gnome blood	Posted - 2009.11.13 15:28:00 - [803] Edited by: gnome blood on 13/11/2009 15:29:22 Originally by: R0ze Originally by: gnome blood fnipp They lost DPS (if you skip the anti-capital role) also compared to current TQ .. EHP is quite useless in general if you have no means of counterreacting. If you skip the anti-capital role? Are you serious? CCP decided it¦s the new role for the ship and you conveniently skip it? They have lost the ability to operate without a support fleet. That they¦ve lost half their drone dps is a disadvantage if they were supposed to deal with small fleets solo. Boo-hoo. They will require a support fleet. Quote: Quote: What promises? They tested one possible change on the test-server. When is that any kind of promise? Read the Dominion devblog regarding supercapital changes .. I¦ve read it. It doesn¦t say anywhere that they promise to change the motherships into solo-supercarriers of omgwtfbbqdoom. It does say they want to change capital warfare. They redefine motherships to be anti-capital weapons and more than halve their price to better accommodate that role. Their current DPS on Sisi will surely change to reflect that new role, assuming peoples DPS calculations are based on good/correct data, which I highly doubt. Something tells me the magic number comment from Nozh is the key there. I could be wrong about that. (fnipped some stuff I agree with)
Uzume Ame Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.13 15:34:00 - [804] Originally by: fairimear this is wrong. supercarriers should be t2 carriers. make a crap texture for the current ones. give them these stats and leave ms alone. leave the vat bay in and the 20 fb's. so we have carrier - 700mill t2 super carrier. - basicaly the nerfed ms stats. 6bill maybe with a gimic lick covert jump portal. motherships - 16-20bill increase the jump range to. then there's a ship for every one from the vets to the newbs. QFT, but :CCP: lacks sense. Additionally, fix the ** you're doing with citadel (inc. compact) torpedos, un-nerf titans, un** failgar, etc. It can't be so hard, SISIPI
Tebis BlackTalon Mining Corp G-R-I-E-V-A-N-C-E	Posted - 2009.11.13 15:37:00 - [805] Originally by: gnome blood If you skip the anti-capital role? Are you serious? CCP decided it¦s the new role for the ship and you conveniently skip it? But they aren't making it a superior anti capital ship from the sounds of it... now if the DPS numbers are way off and you can provide 2 dreads worth of DPS or some such .. it might be worth it but the DPS is destructible .. fairly easily .. you send it into a group of RR capital ships with some smart bombs fit and they don't hold up very well also if it requires you to put a full rack of DCUs in the highs you are not only gimping your own defense against drones.. you are gimping your support fleet since you will not be able to provide any RR I don't see enough motivation to use these in any other method other than high eHP remote rep carriers .. which doesn't fulfill the anti-cap role at all
MarkusBarak Gallente Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.13 15:37:00 - [806] SOBs deleted my post so I will be a lil nicer this time go F yourself CCP why bother changing them at all might as well leave them the way they are and not go through all the trouble they will stay mobile POS art that have some use at moving ships around unless you end up nerfing the maint bay too im sure its only a mater of time. In fact just remove them from the game would make your life easier.
Jazuz Krist	Posted - 2009.11.13 15:38:00 - [807] Originally by: Uzume Ame Originally by: Ivanna Nuke Can I have your stuff? Your trolling is not amusing. And no, you can't have my stuff, if it ends somewhere it would be on biomass. FAG. aww da poor baby doesnt like trolling now when you are on the receiving end of it? no one can dispute that the majority of eve people get together and laugh at people who suffer huge losses of isk and assets after being scammed and stolen from and manipulated. yet here you are crying when it happens to you. it just so happens that it happened to like 300 of you at once. so you are making a loud splash. newsflash: ccp does not care about your total 1000 accounts if that much and probably 500 of which you may cancel total. fact: motherships/supercarriers are getting a boost in survivability with the HP boost. and a damage boost with bombers, how you choose to use that boost and employ it is up to you. continue to whine your tears are delicious.
Minmatar citizen4561451	Posted - 2009.11.13 15:42:00 - [808] i do wonder how many people whining about this change here actually have, in possession, a mothership right now?
Cone Filler	Posted - 2009.11.13 15:42:00 - [809] Edited by: Cone Filler on 13/11/2009 15:44:42 Originally by: gnome blood ..... Their current DPS on Sisi will surely change to reflect that new role, assuming peoples DPS calculations are based on good/correct data, which I highly doubt. Something tells me the magic number comment from Nozh is the key there. I could be wrong about that. (fnipped some stuff I agree with) -1/10 HERE have a go at it yourself and you will find out what the magic number is ofc you would need atleast a college degree to actually do the math and troll college dont count
Tinator Exile Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.13 15:44:00 - [810] Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451 i do wonder how many people whining about this change here actually have, in possession, a mothership right now? probably almost all of them since obviously someone who doesn't intend to fly/already own one wouldn't care alot about this...

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