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Manfred Sideous
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:34:00 -
[901]
Originally by: CCP Nozh Hey,
We've made some further changes to super carriers after taking your feedback into consideration. It's quite understandable that the changes made were a disappointment to many of you, but I wanted to remind you that Singularity is a test server and all changes, even these are subject to change.
Compact Citadel Torpedo Changes:
- Explosion Velocity: 60
- Damage: 3200
Super Carrier Changes:
- Can deploy 2 additional Fighter or Drone per level
- Can dock at stations
Furthermore we're looking into solutions to reimburse current mothership pilots for the drop in construction cost.
That's all for now.
-Nozh
Nozh thanks for being open minded enough to make compromises for the playerbase. I really think I speak for most players when I say that the cost is a issue. Its great that you are willing to reimburse existing owners. The real problem though is that with such a low cost these will be proliferated to such point that blob warfare is going to take on a all new more worse than ever face. Literally I had a discssion the other day about self destructing titans and using the isk to purchase a mothership blob. My alliance has hundreads of pilots who have the skills to fly a supercarrier. The only thing that was stopping them is the cost. 5-6 + fittings .... lol I sell my vindicator bhaalghorn and some faction stuff I had laying around and have the isk for it.
0.0 war will become so bad it wont be funny. 3 months from now you will see alliances defending systems with a supercarrier blob that cant be ewar'd and there spider tank cant be broke. God forbid if they have a cyno jammer up because no attacker has a chance in hell.
CCP Dominion was supposed to change eve 0.0 landscape & warfare. Now its just more of the same I wish you could see how this will all go. ______________________________
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RoCkEt X
Hostile.
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:35:00 -
[902]
i'm liking that you listened, but i dont think allowing them to dock is a good idea.. a few reasons.
1 - MS's are a commodity because few people can afford them. 2 - MS's are a commodity because it requires the commitment of an alt char to fly it. (which makes CCP money) 3 - obvious issues of something with the EHP of a medium control tower being able to dock.
imho. NO DOCKING FOR MOMSHIPS. EVER.
**[.-H-.] Hostile.**
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SolarKnight
Gallente ORIGIN SYSTEMS Shadows of Light
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:35:00 -
[903]
Disagree with docking, remove that now, or risk supercarriers camping every low sec station in empire, with your nerfed dps dreads unable to do anything about it. The Light in the Darkness
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Murixo
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:35:00 -
[904]
Just roll them back to how they were before, everyone was happy! And whilst docking abilities would make life a lot easier, docking games would suck.
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Pattern Clarc
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:35:00 -
[905]
Normally all this hyperbole would be unjustified... ____ Domination Balance (Or how we fix the Tempest) |
Angelus X
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:37:00 -
[906]
A station upgrade in 0.0 space that allows certain super capitals to 'dock' isn't that bad an idea.
That *could* work. You'd obviously only be able to dock your mothership at friendly stations in 0.0, so you'd hardly be able to play 'dock/undock' games everywhere.
The upgrade could be made prohibatively expensive, such that the vast majority of alliances only have one such system, or you could make a hard limit on the number of stations per region that can have this upgrade. That would make for interesting conflicts, as rather than fighting over just normal space, high-end moons, etc. you could have situations where one of the focus points for fighting is the only stations in a 0.0 region capable of being able to dock motherships.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:37:00 -
[907]
Edited by: Scatim Helicon on 13/11/2009 18:42:31 2 per level is a great improvement, but the docking ability will make for some loltastic docking games in lowsec.
(protip: supercaps should only be dockable in a 0.0 outpost with a VERY VERY EXPENSIVE upgrade bolted on to it)
Edit: ahahahaha not only did me and a Reikoku guy make identical comments about motherships, but we posted at the exact same time. Holy christ we are living in Bizarro EVE.
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hankey
Minmatar The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:37:00 -
[908]
Edited by: hankey on 13/11/2009 18:38:41 Nozh, if you really going to implement cost reduction for this ship (i assume they will require half less cap components), PLEASE DO NOT FORGET TO CUT MANUFACTURING TIME also.
just my 2c
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(protip: supercaps should only be dockable in a 0.0 outpost with a VERY VERY EXPENSIVE upgrade bolted on to it)
Support this idea
-- Keeper
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Buxaroo
Gallente The Maverick Navy IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:38:00 -
[909]
Originally by: CCP Nozh Hey,
We've made some further changes to super carriers after taking your feedback into consideration. It's quite understandable that the changes made were a disappointment to many of you, but I wanted to remind you that Singularity is a test server and all changes, even these are subject to change.
Compact Citadel Torpedo Changes:
- Explosion Velocity: 60
- Damage: 3200
Super Carrier Changes:
- Can deploy 2 additional Fighter or Drone per level
- Can dock at stations
Furthermore we're looking into solutions to reimburse current mothership pilots for the drop in construction cost.
That's all for now.
-Nozh
OK, much much better. I can live with these changes, especially the reimbursement part for the decline in construction cost. Thanks for this, this was the first time I have actually been emo about any changes to the game
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Cain Negestor
Lyonesse. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:38:00 -
[910]
Originally by: Soleil Fournier
I think that this is a reasonable compromise, thank you for listening to us and implementing these changes. Also that explosion velocity change was absolutely critical so bravo. Being able to dock for the sacrifice of 5 fighters/bombers is a great change and I support it.
I do hope you're serious about reimbursing the mom pilots for the loss in isk, I was furious to hear that we'd be screwed over by the build cost changes and am very happy to hear that at least in someway I'll be compensated.
-10 points for rolling out this change without warning or explaination +20 points for listening and implementing changes on feedback.
Thanks
My thoughts, more or less. Its a change i can live with, provided i do get compensation in one way or another.
As for docking games, please bear in mind not all SCs are aeons with 28 EHP. Hels can be killed by 4 DDs. So, while your at it make Slaves not affect Supercaps, and reduce the big EHP difference between armor and shieldtanked SCs.
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DeviloftheHell
Caldari RaaFharaX
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:38:00 -
[911]
give the mineral difference to the owners to that station where is their clone and problem solved
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Dramaticus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:38:00 -
[912]
3 per level, explosion radius back to what it was, undockable and build cost ~12b
thanks in advance
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Hatsumi Kobayashi
Shade. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:39:00 -
[913]
Free CCP Abathur ______
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the plague
Scoopex Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:39:00 -
[914]
Originally by: CCP Nozh Super Carrier Changes:
- Can deploy 2 additional Fighter or Drone per level
- Can dock at stations
Furthermore we're looking into solutions to reimburse current mothership pilots for the drop in construction cost.-Nozh
Oh my goodness! This thread is really going to go places now!!! I just wanted to get in here and post before the whole forum catches explodes in green flame.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:40:00 -
[915]
Originally by: Pattern Clarc Normally all this hyperbole would be unjustified...
I'm pretty sure your hyperbole still is.
Originally by: Iroku Mata Darius is time to STFU and make your GSM place free for someone who got the humildity to have the job you claim and failled!
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Kerdrak
Big Guns Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:40:00 -
[916]
Just make a new tier 2 carrier and leave the current motherships as they are. Tier 1 Carrier: the current carriers Tier 2 Carrier: Fighter Bomber/Anti capital spec. ship Tier 3 Carrier: Motherships
- New ships = GOOD - Nerfing ships = BAD ________________________________________
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Obsidian Hawk
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:40:00 -
[917]
Originally by: CCP Nozh Hey,
We've made some further changes to super carriers after taking your feedback into consideration. It's quite understandable that the changes made were a disappointment to many of you, but I wanted to remind you that Singularity is a test server and all changes, even these are subject to change.
Compact Citadel Torpedo Changes:
- Explosion Velocity: 60
- Damage: 3200
Super Carrier Changes:
- Can deploy 2 additional Fighter or Drone per level
- Can dock at stations
Furthermore we're looking into solutions to reimburse current mothership pilots for the drop in construction cost.
That's all for now.
-Nozh
Ok we are getting there Nozh, thank you to the devs for listening to all our hate and massive forum spam.
point of feed back,
is it possible to make drones sort of like learning skills, maybe do 2.5 drones per level, that means at carrier lvl 4 you get 12 drones instead of 8? or a 2.25 so you get +9 drones?
anyway thats just an idea, but........
put the clone vat back in and give a radius boost to smart bombs and i will be happy.
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Kraken Law
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:41:00 -
[918]
Originally by: Dramaticus 3 per level, explosion radius back to what it was, undockable and build cost ~12b
thanks in advance
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Bonny Lee
Caldari The Guardian Agency Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:41:00 -
[919]
I hope you are aware of the massive Balance-Problem you are going to create if you let SCs dock at stations... For sure there will be 30-50 SC-Blob-Fleets and if you havenŠt thaught about how to kill those ECW-Immune-Monsterblobs you should start to think about now.
Perhaps the first buff was to huge and your nerf was going to far but this will ruin Fleet-Warfare in less then a year.
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Lynn de'Marco
Divine Power. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:41:00 -
[920]
also..... just a heads up to you CCP guys.
if you let supercarriers dock and presumably let the pilot get out of them. then there is no reason for me to keep my dedicated supercarrier char account subscribed as my mains can also fly supercarriers.
i'm sure i'm not the only one.
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Arcanim Al'Seif
Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:42:00 -
[921]
I have just had a corpie point this out with reference to the docking games:
[18:31:11] XXXX > i just realized... in dominion you need to destroy outposts to conquer sov (if there is one in the system) ... moms can dock there.... welcome to epic docking games
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:43:00 -
[922]
Originally by: Lynn de'Marco also..... just a heads up to you CCP guys.
if you let supercarriers dock and presumably let the pilot get out of them. then there is no reason for me to keep my dedicated supercarrier char account subscribed as my mains can also fly supercarriers.
i'm sure i'm not the only one.
You say this like it's a GOOD game design decision to require people to have multiple alts to play a game.
Originally by: Iroku Mata Darius is time to STFU and make your GSM place free for someone who got the humildity to have the job you claim and failled!
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tx eight
Minmatar Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:44:00 -
[923]
Originally by: Hatsumi Kobayashi Free CCP Abathur
No, really. Free him.
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Odda
Gallente Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:45:00 -
[924]
Originally by: CCP Nozh Hey,
We've made some further changes to super carriers after taking your feedback into consideration. It's quite understandable that the changes made were a disappointment to many of you, but I wanted to remind you that Singularity is a test server and all changes, even these are subject to change.
Compact Citadel Torpedo Changes:
- Explosion Velocity: 60
- Damage: 3200
Super Carrier Changes:
- Can deploy 2 additional Fighter or Drone per level
- Can dock at stations
Furthermore we're looking into solutions to reimburse current mothership pilots for the drop in construction cost.
That's all for now.
-Nozh
Stil fail... Why not go back to what somwone who actaly used to fly the ships didd?
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:45:00 -
[925]
Edited by: The Mittani on 13/11/2009 18:46:48 we'll just park our however many supercarriers on the first outpost anyone tries to take in delve or querious, it'll be pretty stress-free since they can throw ecm bursts, are immune to ewar and our various enemies will have to chew through 30m+ ehp to pop one before they redock
we'll use the refund money you're giving us to make up for your catastrophic previous post to buy more docking 30m ehp bricks
cool thanks, bye
edit: anyone praising nozh for listening to 'reason' is little better than a quisling, this change is worse than his first one, and he shouldn't be adjusting /anything/ from the original abathur version of supercapitals
Sins of a Solar Spymaster: my ~fair and balanced~ column TheMittani @ Twitter
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Shigsy
Ignition.
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:45:00 -
[926]
Star wars galaxies... who needs vets amirite?
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fuze
Gallente Quam Singulari Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:45:00 -
[927]
Looks like someone passed the failsauce again.
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LoveKebab
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:45:00 -
[928]
Originally by: CCP Nozh
Furthermore we're looking into solutions to reimburse current mothership pilots for the drop in construction cost.
ill tell u what u can do, u can give me back 18bil and take the ms away... those changes are ******ed beyond anything i've ever imagined ... dockable supercapitals haha
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Phreeze
Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:45:00 -
[929]
Way to go dip****s.
Keep pulling the SOE card.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:46:00 -
[930]
Originally by: Arcanim Al'Seif I have just had a corpie point this out with reference to the docking games:
[18:31:11] XXXX > i just realized... in dominion you need to destroy outposts to conquer sov (if there is one in the system) ... moms can dock there.... welcome to epic docking games
thanks for this, until you specifically mentioned outposts I don't think anyone understood what the other 500 people who posted before you meant about "docking games"
Originally by: Iroku Mata Darius is time to STFU and make your GSM place free for someone who got the humildity to have the job you claim and failled!
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