They could do that with just one slot; give it a 500% bonus. Three or four highslots could give a whole number that gives just slightly more than other ships. Highsec gas mining is super unprofitable right now, so a frigate that is a low ISK/low skill boat that could mine at the effectiveness of battlecruisers for gas would make a large amount of sense.

In the world of ship bonuses, (at least for mining) slots don't matter.

remove the ice/merc specialties

CCP seems really attached to those specialties.

Mining output: first and most visible balancing factor, plan is to increase all barge mining output to be within an acceptable margin of the Hulk, not miles behind as it is currently.

The sky is falling due to probable increased mining output.

also to add to my previeus post :



this also in the Blog

which means that Yield will change in an upwards direction
which will increase the risk of a market collapse due to increased resources becoming availble

they also removed drone alloys and t1-modules from loot. so there are fewer minerals to begin with and overall more gear to be produced. even if noone would by t1 and for t2, t1 is still needed to build t2.
i guess, there will be need for some more minerals. maybe the prices will go down a bit but they are quite high atm.

secondly, as MortisLegati mentioned already, they plan to buff only the mining ships which are worse than the hulk atm.
so while there will be some more minerals coming from the buffed "noobs" the max yield per character does not change.
regarding the big picture, there will not be a big change.

your last two post convey two different things, at least as i understand them.

in the first, the one i quoted, you raised concerns about a collapsing market due to more resources available because "lower" tier mining vessels yielding more ore.
in the second post you displayed the differences in income generated by missions and mining.

i do not get the point you want to make :(
do you suggest, more minerals would bring the mineral prices down to a normal level and thereby further decrease the income a miner generates?
then, i fail to see how that would collapse the market. yes, it would make mining even less desireable than it already is, but a market collapse

... dunno. the prolonged hulkageddon seems to be more disruptive, imo. it opens up possibilities for everybody not mining in high sec, but it definitely decreases the economical output of high sec.

or was there another point you wanted to make?

all in all, we have to wait for the changes to be expressed in hard numbers, before any decent conclusion can be drawn, i guess ^^

So the Mack will get a better tank and the Hulks tank will be nerfed? I thought they were trying to eliminate the one-shot kills?

- Unify the requirements (tiericide), i.e. one for mining barges and one for exhumers

- Introduce Ore Hangar expanders, e.g. low slot modules (and rigs) with n¼üxed amount, or
similar to current cargohold modules (and rigs)

Role set A - Mercoxit, Ice, Non-Mercoxit
Adjust the bonus of Procurer and Retriever to copy that of Skiff and Mackinaw, e.g
- Procurer - 50% more yield bonus for Mercoxit Mining Crystals per level
- Retriever - same role bonus as Mackinaw (double yield but 25% penalty on duration), 4%
reduction for duration of ice harvester per level
- Covetor - as it is currently

- Unify number of high slots, e.g. 2 for each mining barge and exhumer (other numbers
would be possible, too) -> graphics will have to be changed

Role set B....

Make the mining frigate a gas harvester

"No" to the barge plans as they are now.

Removing the few racial minig frigates and cruisers is the wrong way:
Thus, miners only have ships of one faction while ships of all races and factions are available to combat pilots.

Instead, every race should get it's own full range of mining ships.

All ORE ships could then become the miner's equivalent to prirate faction ships. Reworking these is a good idea, though.

Many people are suggesting a lot of interesting ideas, but nobody can predict what the Devs will really do. That being said, many players in this thread seem to be directly and/or indirectly suggesting T3 ORE ships. It sure seems like a T3 mining vessel would solve the "tiericide" issues by being massively flexible, and offering capabilities based upon loadout/build/skills. I seriously doubt we will get a T3 ORE ship. That being said, I give two thumbs up for the proposed rethinking/balancing of mining ships.

So, I encourage the Dev Team to give the specs to the fellow who wrote EFT so we can be working out builds for these new ORE ships well before release.

I like the idea of rebalancing the mining ships, and while I have not read all 40 some pages of replies so I am not sure if this has been suggested or not, I belive that there should be a ship class capable of transporting between 50,000 and 75,000 m3 base with decent amout of speed for a ship that size say 90mps and warp around 3 AU/s. Give it some decent sheild and armor and a couple of slots to customize it. Maybe even a turret or lancher slot depending on race. Maybe I'm alone in this thinking, but we have something like a pickup truck size craft, or a tractor trailer size ship with no delivery truck catigory. It just seems like a long way to me between 6,000m3 even maxed out with rigs and expanders around 42k m3 and the standard freighter of over 720,000 m3 cargo hold. Seems like there should be ships capable of transporting an out post but not an entire station.

ORCA ?

90.000M3 cargo hold
50.000M3 ORE hold
40.000M3 corporate hanger

no turrets

hence there are remarks made about makin a T3 industiel/Miner that can forefill part of that roll

edit :
on the outpost remark : 1 outpost takes multiple Freighter loads to online .. that is Egg + startup fuel
a station will probably requere dozens of Freighters

jumpfreighters are NOT counted as they have 200-300K capacity and as such not usefull

More yield will let miners make more ISK.

This is a common fallacy. More supply drives down profit since minerals are based around a supply/demand market. If every miner suddenly doubled their mineral production, mineral prices would nearly half.
It would do nothing but make ships cheaper, in reality.