Please describe for us the nature of this napfest and quantify how it has lowered the overall level of conflict compared to some general running average.

Thanks.

You don't really have points though, just bitter drivel about how paying 10M isk a month (that's like, what, one cycle of arkonor) = slavery & raping and also angsting about why people don't respect your opinions for some mysterious reason.

1) Increase reward in nullsec
Pro: Don't have to change highsec.
Con: The amount of increased isk needed to allure large amounts of characters from the low-risk world of highsec would have a significant effect on the game economy. Inflation is a problem people complain about now, after all.

2) Decrease risk in nullsec.
Pro: More players will feel more confident taking the risk of moving into 0.0
Con: People complain about how hard it is to gank effective in null now.

3) Decrease reward in highsec
Pro: seriously curbs isk injection, compels players to strike out in 0.0 if only to continue to pay their plex bill
Con: highsec people will chew their own tongues in rage, doesn't address more serious problems in either region

4) Increase risk in highsec
Pro: makes manufacturing economy more robust, allows highsec players to compete over use of resources
Con: carebears don't like it, feel it will infringe on their 'right' not to PVP.

Looks like a farming ground for FAILA blues, all the while FAILA itself rapes these renters for every nickle and dime with rent, super restricted zones and even taking them to the cleaners when they refine. And they come to the forums asking why no one wants to go to null and live under their yoke.

Any ideas that are presented that would give anyone a chance in null space without being a slave to them is immediately derailed and criticized with over used meme after over used meme.

I guess all that business about how mining in null was a waste of time because it was terrible was in fact, a load of bullshit. Looks like mining in null is just fine, according to that FAILA flyer.

NAPFEST. You need to end it to make Nullsec Vibrant again.

And all the Amarr NPC corps should wardec the Minmatar NPC corps amirite?

And all the Amarr NPC corps should wardec the Minmatar NPC corps amirite?

You guys speak about how you hate ~elitist~ attitudes, yet flood the forums with constant insults, threats, trolling and other nonsense. Then, have the audacity to ask on the very same forums, why people prefer all other parts of space instead of null. When they reply you scream, "No! This is why..." and threaten to remove any aspect of the game they enjoy (and could lead to the desire to carve a name for themselves in null) as some form of punishment because, they see the game differently than you do.

Nice strawman, marlona.

I'm fine with the hi sec slaves grinding away their lives for pennies in L3s.

I'll be in lo sec.

Nice strawman, marlona.

I am going to suggest what I have been told since day one about EVE. EVE is only as good as you make it.
Therefore I suggest the problem is not null sec vs high sec. The problem is the players in null sec itself.
If they are not engaged in the game then they are the problem. We have met the enemy and they are us!

This idea that null is dying is not new. Many players make the comment that null is boring even null players themselves.
And to that I say again look in the mirror. High sec is not nulls problem. Null sec is nulls problem. Doctor heal thy self.

I do not think it is CCP's problem either. The game has evolved into what the players have made it. IE. Null is the way it is because of the players in null. Not because of high sec.

A really good post lost on deaf ears.... Such a shame really... (but I would like to reserve the right to quote you m8...)

Why would you want to quote something born of ignorance. It reeks of someone who's mind is stuck in themepark MMOs that have separate zones of gameplay that don't really impact one another. EVE is a Sandbox and everything is connected.

Strawman or not, that is the way the rest of the populace perceives nullsec: full of cliques looking for ways to force the rest of the playerbase to be their slaves. It is really up to nullsec denizens (or at least your recruiters) to convince the population that it just isn't true.

Nicolo V posting his ever-so-painful "miner pass" is just one example of how ludicrous nullsec gameplay has become.

That some people in nullsec feel that nullsec is stagnating is a problem born of the people in nullsec. That has no connection whatsoever to hisec. When your alliance tells you, "stay in these systems or we shoot you ourselves" you know there is something wrong with that community.

I just don't see the appeal of paying someone to be a meat shield/fill a buffer zone. I mean in all seriousness, if there are those who are ok with it, then so be it and good luck with your mining rental space. I have made some points throughout this thread that was meet with trolling, insults and flat out personal attacks on me for doing so. You can claim they are uninformed and continue to dodge serious questions I present to you all you want.

The general vibe I get from you and others is that you want players to leave high sec and come to null, but only if they are renters or some other form of servant, peon or worker for you. I believe that if a small entity wants to carve out a piece of null, they should be able to do so in some capacity, even if it is just one system. You believe null is the pseudo end game. Where everything else is measured by. I do not believe in an end game for EVE. You believe that unless someone is currently, at this very moment, basing from null sec, they are absolutely the only ones allowed to even have an opinion on it. I do not. Null, just like all other areas of this game are part of each other and even if someone does not live in null space, they are effected by it and their opinion should be heard.

When your alliance tells you, "stay in these systems or we shoot you ourselves" you know there is something wrong with that community.

To be completely honest from the outside looking in, this thread has lowered my opinion of null sec even further. Why precisely would a new player want to go to null? Especially one that doesn't want to just be someone else's bus boy.

A really good post lost on deaf ears.... Such a shame really... (but I would like to reserve the right to quote you m8...)

That some people in nullsec feel that nullsec is stagnating is a problem born of the people in nullsec. That has no connection whatsoever to hisec. When your alliance tells you, "stay in these systems or we shoot you ourselves" you know there is something wrong with that community.

You also claimed that jump bridges were an OP form of power projection

If that's what you think the entire null is all about, then nothing I'll say will probably help, since you'll probably just think I'm lying when I say "not all of null is like that". I know, I've been in a ****** alliance, I moved on and found me an alliance which wasn't ****. I've stayed there ever since.

I am pretty sure I never said in this thread jump bridges were over powered. So please link me the one where I say "Jump bridges are OP"

Why go to the trouble of setting up multiple "forward staging systems" on the edges of your territory when you can have one home system and if something goes down, grab the closest jump bridge/Titan bridge and be there in a few moments??

Honest answer - I percieve null to be full of assholes. The sheer level of assholery on Eve, mainly from the direction of null, puts me off. I don't get the impression that it's a community I want to really be a part of. I know that not everyone who calls null home is an *******, and I don't doubt that there are even null corps with mostly decent people, but the general impression I get from what I see on the forums and from the alts in my (starter) corp is too negative for me to bother with.