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Elvestra Flower
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:05:00 -
[481]
 Originally by: Kalhan
Originally by: Reecei
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When was it okay to lie to your customers??  Set realistic goals exceed them suprise you're clients.. always better to be the hero
How is having too push back the server up time lying, if you say too your mother you will be home at 3pm but the bus breaks down on the way home, and you get home at 3:15pm does that make you a liar and you will be grounded for two weeks? 
He is just venting like the rest. He has know idea how a server cluster of that size takes to update. Its is always better to work/train/practice/etc to standard not to time. If things need more time then take it, because its the standard and quality that is important not the time.
IF you don't have the quality and standard in mind to start with, then whats your intention?? lol
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Wolfcheck
Pack o' Wolves
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:06:00 -
[482]
Originally by: Kalhan
He is just venting like the rest. He has know idea how a server cluster of that size takes to update.
Neither does CCP, apparently. Claiming that you can anticipate the prolonged downtime does not make CCP look better, on the contrary, since they CLAIM it takes 2.30hrs and it took much more, it make them look less smart than the average forumite. And tbh, that's kind of a shame for any IT professional.
Yeah, a cluster of that size is kind of a mess to take down and update. Still, SINCE it's a mess to take down and upgrade, I'd expect them to:
1- try it on a smaller cluster (S8s8/multiplicity?);
2- Adjust the time according to the relative size of the clusters;
3- Adjust the above-adjusted time with a 1.5 factor to make sure you've got time for unexpected problems;
4- Put on a downtime notice reporting 1.5 the time above, just in case
Anyway. Since the last time they took so long, I played on the safe side and added 3 days long skills to training queue. If they take more than 3 days, I'm still gonna get ****ed tho ;)
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EMPstrike
Gallente
Darkest Before Dawn
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:06:00 -
[483]
Oh my god...oh my ****IGN GOD.....has NOONE noticed that Nos's are THE PERFECT counter for a capwar setup?!
What! what was that? no i swear i heard something, i bet its after ME >.< |
HanibalLector
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:06:00 -
[484]
Hey ... pass me a taco Harry. And some hotsauce...
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viper99991
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:06:00 -
[485]
My God I though People was bad on STO forums for down time but some people here take the cake and eat the house. ITS A GAME CHILL people the servers will be back up chill. Go take a shower get laid and probly be back up by the time u finish.
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Biffa Beacon
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:06:00 -
[486]
Yup it's only a game BUT...!
Freighter + WH + Midflight + System occupied by bad people (who are now thanks to this crazy delay are now at their peak time) = Bad for me.
Anyone know if a WH continues to decay during DT? 
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Ruby Steele
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:07:00 -
[487]
Originally by: HanibalLector
Hey ... pass me a taco Harry. And some hotsauce...
Second this.
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ReekyMarut
Amarr
Black-Robed Men
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:07:00 -
[488]
Originally by: Jarod Hawke
Originally by: Scott987
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kinda hope you get hit with the ban stick.
Why is that? because i offer a founded opinion about something instead of your whining at other users who have a serious opinion about something..
Get a life kid
i hope you get hit a with a banstick too. on moral grounds.
also i'm pretty sure i'm better than you. in game, out, around the block, at the petrol station, wherever i am or you are, whatever situation, Whatever category, topic, etc., |
Shampka
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:08:00 -
[489]
Originally by: Idgarad
A suggestion to CCP that may quell some players:
For any downtime I would suggest taking the median cost of a PLEX and simply credit characters the equivalent amount of ISK for the downtime.
If a PLEX is (for easy math) 300,000,000 ISK (I know they aren't but lets keep the math simple) for 30 days that, in hours is roughly (23*30= 690 hours)or apx 434782.61 ISK per hour. Every time the downtime exceeds the estimate simply credit the character with the highest skill points on an account that amount. There, everytime you miss your ETA you fairly compensate players directly and porportionally for unintented downtime.
You could, based on the nature of the outage throw in a multiplier. For instance x1.0 for the first hour, x2.0 for the second hour, etc.
From a transactional standpoint is isn't hard so long as you have a function\proc for adding an ISK transaction and can be applied as the last SQL transaction before accepting connections.
I agree with this appprach...
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Adriana Hubble
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:08:00 -
[490]
How bout we complain about the complaints everyone is complaining about? Is that a complaint, or just random complaining?
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dreynerex
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:08:00 -
[491]
Sheesh just watch the world cup while it's down.
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Smuggo Smuggins
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:08:00 -
[492]
Originally by: Biffa Beacon
Yup it's only a game BUT...!
Anyone know if a WH continues to decay during DT?
It does.
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Crewsock
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:09:00 -
[493]
Originally by: Scott987
Originally by: Jarod Hawke
Originally by: Scott987
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kinda hope you get hit with the ban stick.
Why is that? because i offer a founded opinion about something instead of your whining at other users who have a serious opinion about something..
Get a life kid
I saw no merit to your opinion. Except to complain and complain about unexpected problems.
I have a life, but it seems yours is on EvE, have fun with that.
Like everyone else, You have spent the last two hours of your life on these forums waiting for the server to come back up. Your argument is invalid.
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Avenger1
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:09:00 -
[494]
Originally by: Edit Man
I do find it funny that they never seem to get the time right, did they never learn to count in school
Possibly hence the various database and coding issues.
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Michael Kristiansen
Galaxy Punks
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:09:00 -
[495]
lol still not up
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Dilligafmofo
Gallente
Calimae Logistics Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:09:00 -
[496]
CCP should have purchased T2 hamsters last week. 
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Im easy123
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:09:00 -
[497]
I farted and brown stuff came out. Is that normal?
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Reecei
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:09:00 -
[498]
Originally by: Jarod Hawke
Originally by: Scott987
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kinda hope you get hit with the ban stick.
Why is that? because i offer a founded opinion about something instead of your whining at other users?oh wait, nvm i understand.. you have no clue what i'm talking about prolly.. so it's cool.. 14 years old eh? DW, once you grow up, work a bunch of years in your life you migh have a clue.
You already quoted and replied too that post on page 15 you silly sausage 
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Dar'llel
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:09:00 -
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meh, I set my skill training up for days (leart that from last time) and now get the entertainment of watching EVE addicts get the shakes as they suffer withdrawl. It is a game, and like anything in the world it is not perfect. Trains run late sometimes, yes its inconvient but a lot of the time there is nothing you can do to change it.
I will sit back, lol at some of the antics here and wait patiently. It is certainly not the end of the world waiting a little while longer for a product this good :)
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QT McWhiskers
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:09:00 -
[500]
Number jumped to 12.
Guess they fixed the mac issue now.
/blind hope
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Sainte Nitouche
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:09:00 -
[501]
Stop snivelling, you are pathetic.
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Resender
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:09:00 -
[502]
deja vu anyone
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Orangebeardo
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:09:00 -
[503]
Originally by: dreynerex
Sheesh just watch the world cup while it's down.
There are people who don't like soccer in the world too, you know.
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ZeroGSheep
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:09:00 -
[504]
Originally by: Biffa Beacon
Yup it's only a game BUT...!
Freighter + WH + Midflight + System occupied by bad people (who are now thanks to this crazy delay are now at their peak time) = Bad for me.
Anyone know if a WH continues to decay during DT?
is it just me that thinks you probably should have been ready for the d/t then?
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Sister Megarea
Atlas Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:10:00 -
[505]
Originally by: SELKERUS
To all those who say " get a life!" or "stop whineing, ccp isnt perfect" blah blah blah
No, but then this patch is (should be) a process. Just that, not a problem but a series of actions that can be quantified and estimated.
What do you think the test server is for? Is it possibly a place where upcoming patches can be deployed and bug fixed?
Why is it difficult? Two servers, similar in all respects, one live, one for testing. You make changes to the test server until you get it working, then...and this is quite straightforward(?)...you apply those (tested) changes to the live server.
Really, in principle, it is a pretty good ( and an industry tried and tested) method.
My tip? Pay some money and employ someone who knows how to manage this kind of thing.
Of course, if these **** ups dont affect your bottom line, then just carry on being inept. After all, if it doesnt hurt you financially, why fix it?
Sigh. Another simpleton.
The test server might have a few hundred players on it. Max. Maybe a thousand or two when CCP encourages people to log in to test something specific.
Tranquility, on the other hand, will see 30,000 - 40,000 people on it. They are not the same thing, insofar as testing goes.
This is the same even for something so simple as web development: You put up a site in a sandbox and have a few dozen colleagues bang on it. Push it live and things usually break when you've suddenly got 100,000 people banging on it on an hourly basis.
And you know what ? If you don't like it - Why are you still here ? Why haven't you cancelled your account and moved on to some other, more utopian MMO ?
Grow up.
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Gueniveree
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:10:00 -
[506]
If CCP is looking for a good Change manager who also knows his timemanagement, drop me a mail. Ex IBM here :P
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Zetaa
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:10:00 -
[507]
Woohoo! I'm in!
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Psyche!
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All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved. |
Sath Restor
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:11:00 -
[508]
Originally by: bullzeye101
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ok let me tell you how estamites work in the real world since you obviously have no clue....what you do is look at what you need to do then look at past data of how long similar thing took you then ad aboy 25% for unfoseen complications.. dont get me wrong im cure that the programmers are hard at work and i in now way blame them for keeping it down so long ..but i do blme the ignorant imbasil that keeps giving out forcasts that they cannot historicaly keep......furthormore ppl will keep saying it untill they get the point and they have yet to so it will keep being said
Try to think beyond the boundaries of "your real world": A lot more programmers than you think of do work on a project a little bigger than you can imagine, did hand the code and database patches to the QA team only a very few days ago after having only one week to fix some serious issues. (Did i mention that those programmers had a hard working month before this patch?)
The project lead tried to do estimates together with the QA team, the programmers, the folks deploying the patch to the database and all those cluster nodes you have not counted into your calculation...
That person that can give exact estimates in this world has to be born imho! Even ancient sons of gods had no clue on such things.
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ChaoticBunny
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:11:00 -
[509]
CCP is still providing me with ample entertainment with these forum threads. Worth the 5 cents i lost imo.
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Deeno
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:11:00 -
[510]
Haha I love it, 1500 UTC comes and they update it to 1600 UTC. They should adopt Montgomery Scott's (Scotty) method of calculating how long it will take to finish. If I recall correctly he multiplies his repair time by a factor of four so he can pull off "miracles."
Thank god I set long duration skills for training ;)
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