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This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline, currently scheduled for deployment next TuesdayÆs patching opportunity* during regularly scheduled downtime.

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Originally by: Estel Arador

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Edited by: Estel Arador on 28/06/2010 13:00:34


Was the new skill system announced in Wrangler's news item cancelled?
(Asking that since I can't find it in the patch notes.)

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This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline, currently scheduled for deployment next TuesdayÆs patching opportunity* during regularly scheduled downtime.

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Science & Industry

* Several blueprints were missing the bill of materials tab. They will show correctly now.

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Graphics

* Players will no longer be followed by an explosion effect after warping out from a fight.

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Originally by: Chribba

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Yes start planning, because you will only be able to apply the SP on the char with the highest SP on the account anyway...

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Originally by: Mashie Saldana

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Originally by: Chribba

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Yes start planning, because you will only be able to apply the SP on the char with the highest SP on the account anyway...

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Haha, awesome bug. Good thing I only have one char per account then.

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Originally by: Plecostomus Gibbiceps

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no fix for the random sideways warping glitch then?

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Originally by: Plecostomus Gibbiceps

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no fix for the random sideways warping glitch then?

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Originally by: Kathleen Mercury

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Hi!

I'm new to EVE Online. I'm from EU GMT+1. Please someone could explain how to receive the new ship? Primae or how it is called? Someone said in game to log in to the game in the morning. Just i don't remember where he was from. Thanks if you respond(s) and sorry for bothering with a simple thing like this.

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Originally by: Nathan Jameson

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Originally by: Plecostomus Gibbiceps

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no fix for the random sideways warping glitch then?

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Presently, that's being described as a "feature," entitled "Fast and Furious: Tash-Murkon Drift."

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Originally by: Legato Wynn

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Don't you mess with my space drifting. I payed a lot of isk to install a hand break in the drake!

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Originally by: Kathleen Mercury

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Hi!

I'm new to EVE Online. I'm from EU GMT+1. Please someone could explain how to receive the new ship? Primae or how it is called? Someone said in game to log in to the game in the morning. Just i don't remember where he was from. Thanks if you respond(s) and sorry for bothering with a simple thing like this.

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Originally by: salabeth

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Not much to discuss.. But I am curious why no mention of the sp bank. Kind of defeats the purpose of mentioning it after the server debacle as a way to take care of the customers then not deploy it.

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Originally by: Jowen Datloran

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Let us take this before there will be tears: The additional Skillpoints and a method, so simple even a monkey could use it, to retrieve them is perfectly functioning on Singularity. It is just missing from the patch notes.

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* Memory usage has been improved with missiles, maps, and PINÆs.
* Frames per second has been improved when using warp disruption bubbles.

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The surface gravity of several prime fiction planets has been changed.

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Originally by: Jugger Takashi

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I was hoping for a "We removed learningskills and added the SP from this group to you SP pool. Now go learn something new!"

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what is this

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Originally by: "Patch Notes"

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Memory usage has been improved with missiles, maps, and PINÆs.

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Originally by: Chribba

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Yes start planning, because you will only be able to apply the SP on the char with the highest SP on the account anyway...

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Originally by: henchana

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òThe surface gravity of several prime fiction planets has been changed.

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what is this

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and why has it been fixed?
òSeveral prime fiction planets now have city lights on the dark side of the planet Sorry? Why has this enomeous problem been fixed

A FIX FIXES A PROBLEM

SOME ONE HAS DEFINITELY NOT FILLED THEIR DOWNTIME QUOTA

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Originally by: Sulaco Su

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hope the'll fix the well known PI-itemdupe bug with that - its not showing on the patch notes :s

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Originally by: Bagehi

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Originally by: henchana

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Sorry? Why has this enomeous problem been fixed

A FIX FIXES A PROBLEM

SOME ONE HAS DEFINITELY NOT FILLED THEIR DOWNTIME QUOTA

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These were quick fixes (in the grand scheme of the game). Someone had to go in and change some numbers to be more realistic.

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FEATURES

Ships

Created the Primae survey ship which is intended for Planetary Interaction.

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Originally by: Jack Dant

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Originally by: Bagehi

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Originally by: henchana

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Sorry? Why has this enomeous problem been fixed

A FIX FIXES A PROBLEM

SOME ONE HAS DEFINITELY NOT FILLED THEIR DOWNTIME QUOTA

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These were quick fixes (in the grand scheme of the game). Someone had to go in and change some numbers to be more realistic.

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Unlike fixing rockets?

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Originally by: Kithran

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Originally by: Jack Dant

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Originally by: Bagehi

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Originally by: henchana

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Sorry? Why has this enomeous problem been fixed

A FIX FIXES A PROBLEM

SOME ONE HAS DEFINITELY NOT FILLED THEIR DOWNTIME QUOTA

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These were quick fixes (in the grand scheme of the game). Someone had to go in and change some numbers to be more realistic.

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Unlike fixing rockets?

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These are also the sort of fixes you can give to a newbie to do - give them a list of planets, tell them to go through and make sure this field is between 0.75 and 1.25, if it isn't put a random number in in that range.

Conversely fixing rockets would require more changes and testing - the testing part being important as its a task you couldn't necessarily give to a newbie as they wouldn't have the knowledge to know if things were now correct.

Kithran

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Originally by: Chribba

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Yes start planning, because you will only be able to apply the SP on the char with the highest SP on the account anyway...

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This is correct, more information on how it will work will be added to the patch notes as soon as possible.

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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Originally by: Kithran

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These are also the sort of fixes you can give to a newbie to do - give them a list of planets, tell them to go through and make sure this field is between 0.75 and 1.25, if it isn't put a random number in in that range.

Conversely fixing rockets would require more changes and testing - the testing part being important as its a task you couldn't necessarily give to a newbie as they wouldn't have the knowledge to know if things were now correct.

Kithran

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Yeah, don't invest a little time into fixing something that matters and instead invest next to no time into fixing something that has no effect at all.

*golflcap*

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Originally by: Delchan

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Would it be possible to adjust the in game clock to local time? It gets confusing to constantly have to recalculate the local time from server time.

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Originally by: Raknav

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Originally by: Chribba

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Yes start planning, because you will only be able to apply the SP on the char with the highest SP on the account anyway...

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This is correct, more information on how it will work will be added to the patch notes as soon as possible.

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Well this is rather stupid and a bit of a let-down I thought I could apply it to any character on my accounts not just the one with the highest SP.

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Originally by: iP0D

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No changes to the workflow mechanisms of Planetary Interaction? I thought several years of people running POS like mad was enough of an indicator that you can go overboard with repetition and complexity. I can't even begin to count the friends lost over time because of that, at least come up with a way to restart harvestors collectively, or allow multiple selections of PINs.

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Originally by: Lorna Sicling

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Originally by: iP0D

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No changes to the workflow mechanisms of Planetary Interaction? I thought several years of people running POS like mad was enough of an indicator that you can go overboard with repetition and complexity. I can't even begin to count the friends lost over time because of that, at least come up with a way to restart harvestors collectively, or allow multiple selections of PINs.

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Please please please! With 5 planets with Elite Command Centers on, I'm doing literally hundreds of mouse clicks per night just to keep production running. I don't need to change their harvest cycle, so allow grouping.

I can group my guns, why can't I group my extractors?

Madness.

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Originally by: Cinori Aluben

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The surface gravity of several prime fiction planets has been changed.

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What does this mean? Since when have there ever been gravity calculations in EVE?

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Originally by: Cinori Aluben

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Originally by: Jugger Takashi

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I was hoping for a "We removed learningskills and added the SP from this group to you SP pool. Now go learn something new!"

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No! You people need to get over this whole idea. It was a rumor that started from the SP pool idea when we didn't know what the gift was gonna be after DT. They're not removing learning skills!

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Originally by: StarStryder

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Originally by: Raknav

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Originally by: Chribba

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Yes start planning, because you will only be able to apply the SP on the char with the highest SP on the account anyway...

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This is correct, more information on how it will work will be added to the patch notes as soon as possible.

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Well this is rather stupid and a bit of a let-down I thought I could apply it to any character on my accounts not just the one with the highest SP.

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I completely agree. What a dumb restriction. What if you've stopped training your high skill char in favour of another? Sounds like a rushed coding job to me.

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Originally by: "Patch Notes"

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When a player changes the shader setting to low, it will no longer encounter flickering and transparency issues on models.
This will be fixed in a future expansion

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CRITICAL

* Due to the unprecedented nature of the downtime on the 23rd and 24th of June, players have been awarded a number of bonus skill points to assign to a skill or skills of their choice. These skill points will be assigned to the highest skill point character on the account and can be applied by right clicking the desired skill in the character sheet.

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Originally by: Jack Dant

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Originally by: "Patch Notes"

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When a player changes the shader setting to low, it will no longer encounter flickering and transparency issues on models.
This will be fixed in a future expansion

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Excellent fix.

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Originally by: patch notes

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The customs office will no longer turn pink when zooming in and out.

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Originally by: Dan O'Connor

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CRITICAL

* Due to the unprecedented nature of the downtime on the 23rd and 24th of June, players have been awarded a number of bonus skill points to assign to a skill or skills of their choice. These skill points will be assigned to the highest skill point character on the account and can be applied by right clicking the desired skill in the character sheet.

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So that's how it'll work.

And how many SP, exactly?

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Originally by: Dan O'Connor

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CRITICAL

* Due to the unprecedented nature of the downtime on the 23rd and 24th of June, players have been awarded a number of bonus skill points to assign to a skill or skills of their choice. These skill points will be assigned to the highest skill point character on the account and can be applied by right clicking the desired skill in the character sheet.

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So that's how it'll work.

And how many SP, exactly?

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Originally by: Nathan Jameson

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"Fast and Furious: Tash-Murkon Drift."

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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Originally by: Sulaco Su

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hope the'll fix the well known PI-itemdupe bug with that - its not showing on the patch notes :s

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This I hope, too. I wonder how many P4 items and other valuable stuff got duped at massive amounts. Probably a few Outposts worth.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Originally by: Chribba

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Yes start planning, because you will only be able to apply the SP on the char with the highest SP on the account anyway...

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This is correct, more information on how it will work will be added to the patch notes as soon as possible.

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Originally by: StarStryder

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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Originally by: Kithran

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These are also the sort of fixes you can give to a newbie to do - give them a list of planets, tell them to go through and make sure this field is between 0.75 and 1.25, if it isn't put a random number in in that range.

Conversely fixing rockets would require more changes and testing - the testing part being important as its a task you couldn't necessarily give to a newbie as they wouldn't have the knowledge to know if things were now correct.

Kithran

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Yeah, don't invest a little time into fixing something that matters and instead invest next to no time into fixing something that has no effect at all.

*golflcap*

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*facepalm*
If you're going to contradict something then at least have the decency to address the points made.

Doesn't matter how much newbie dev time you allocate, they're not going to get a change that influences the game balance inside one release period. Should those newbie devs sit there twiddling their thumbs or do something useful.

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Originally by: Huberek Morchu

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Edited by: Huberek Morchu on 28/06/2010 18:04:28

Originally by: Dan O'Connor

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CRITICAL

* Due to the unprecedented nature of the downtime on the 23rd and 24th of June, players have been awarded a number of bonus skill points to assign to a skill or skills of their choice. These skill points will be assigned to the highest skill point character on the account and can be applied by right clicking the desired skill in the character sheet.

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So that's how it'll work.

And how many SP, exactly?

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Over 9000!

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Originally by: Stari Srba

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The only thing that annoys me in PI is that the windows are transparent and the tex is barely readable on some planets. This is not consistent with my Settings where I turned off the transparency and it is still applied to those windows.

If not for this patch, please consider fixing it for the next one.

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Originally by: Jack Coutu

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No SP mention, no lag fixing, no actual constructive work done, just a patch pushed out for the sake of a patch?

Oh sorry I forgot, a new useless ship.

Guys, step up your game a little.

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Originally by: Garreth Vlox

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Originally by: Jack Coutu

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No SP mention, no lag fixing, no actual constructive work done, just a patch pushed out for the sake of a patch?

Oh sorry I forgot, a new useless ship.

Guys, step up your game a little.

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im wondering how you missed the SP mention as it was the first thing in the patch notes assuming you read them before you went on you little rant.
"CRITICAL

òDue to the unprecedented nature of the downtime on the 23rd and 24th of June, players have been awarded a number of bonus skill points to assign to a skill or skills of their choice. These skill points will be assigned to the highest skill point character on the account and can be applied by right clicking the desired skill in the character sheet.

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Originally by: Huberek Morchu

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Over 9000!

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Originally by: StarshipAI

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I heard you can get up to 3 Primae PI ships per account if you have toons in the slots before DT. Is this true?

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Originally by: Garreth Vlox

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Originally by: Jack Coutu

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No SP mention, no lag fixing, no actual constructive work done, just a patch pushed out for the sake of a patch?

Oh sorry I forgot, a new useless ship.

Guys, step up your game a little.

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I'm wondering how stupid I can make myself look! Oh wait I figured it out.

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Originally by: Myrr Starshine

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Okay I'm not a computer whizz, but this seems kinda lacking...

These seem like maybe simple fixes someone spent maybe 10 - 20 hours on at most.

So I have to ask what did they spend the other 20-30 hours of the work week doing?

And what was everyone else doing?

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Originally by: Jugger Takashi

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I was hoping for a "We removed learningskills and added the SP from this group to you SP pool. Now go learn something new!"

:(

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Originally by: Jugger Takashi

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I was hoping for a "We removed learningskills and added the SP from this group to you SP pool. Now go learn something new!"

:(

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Originally by: Stormmaster Neptunius

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Removing learning skills without proper notification would be a huge mistake.

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Originally by: Sulaco Su

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hope the'll fix the well known PI-itemdupe bug with that - its not showing on the patch notes :s

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Originally by: Dan O'Connor

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And how many SP, exactly?

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Originally by: fido goran

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Edited by: fido goran on 28/06/2010 21:18:55

Originally by: Dan O'Connor

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And how many SP, exactly?

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All of my characters on SISI each have 100,000 SP unallocated to them so I am guessing everyone will receive 100K.

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Originally by: Lambeau Field

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CCP = killing the little corporations.

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Originally by: Mongo Edwards

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Originally by: Lambeau Field

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CCP = killing the little corporations.

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They are gone this is CCP nudging you to carve out a low/null sec home. Recruit some combat pilots to your corp and have fun. Low sec isn't that bad you just have to learn the lay of the land there are lots of quiet low sec systems that you can work in in relative peace.

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Originally by: Lambeau Field

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I should not have to as this is a sandbox and I should be able to do it my way. Why would I risk a ship doing a mission in low sec so other can fly in and have the added benefit of the mission damage on me and corp members. Same reason I stopped going to wormholes for sleepers. Its suicide if u ask me IÆm not willing to take the risk.

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Originally by: Nullity

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Edited by: Nullity on 28/06/2010 23:14:17

Originally by: Lambeau Field

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I should not have to as this is a sandbox and I should be able to do it my way. Why would I risk a ship doing a mission in low sec so other can fly in and have the added benefit of the mission damage on me and corp members. Same reason I stopped going to wormholes for sleepers. Its suicide if u ask me IÆm not willing to take the risk.

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Is this post serious? You want high reward content to be in high security space? That is a completely game breaking way of developing EVE. EVE is (in theory) built around the concept of more risk correlating to more reward. It always has been.

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Originally by: Lambeau Field

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Ok I was able to do lvl 5 mission in high sec

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Originally by: fido goran

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Originally by: Lambeau Field

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Ok I was able to do lvl 5 mission in high sec

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This was a bug to begin with.. and they have now fixed it. We were never supposed to be able to do level fives in high sec.

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Originally by: Lambeau Field

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Not sure if it was a bug sounds more like an excuse to remove it. I find that CCP tends to listen to the minority that like to cry about high sec.

Originally by: fido goran

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Originally by: Lambeau Field

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Ok I was able to do lvl 5 mission in high sec

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This was a bug to begin with.. and they have now fixed it. We were never supposed to be able to do level fives in high sec.

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Mac

When a player changes the shader setting to low, it will no longer encounter flickering and transparency issues on models.
This will be fixed in a future expansion

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Originally by: Merouk Baas

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Will there be any issues with applying the SP gift to the currently training skill, as opposed to to a skill that is not currently training? Using the 100k number solely as an example, what happens if we apply 100k points to a Rank 1 skill that has 1414 points in it? What happens if we apply the points to a rank 1 skill that has 240k points in it?

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Originally by: Daan Sai

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Shouldn't the SP only go to chars whose skills expired during the extended DT - that is, the ones that actually lost some SP?? If everyone gets them, then those players are still behind, relatively speaking.

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Originally by: patch notes

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Missions
* Some Epic Arc agents failed to offer the next mission in an arc when a player had insufficient standings. You now only need appropriate standings to begin an arc, per design.

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Originally by: Daan Sai

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Shouldn't the SP only go to chars whose skills expired during the extended DT - that is, the ones that actually lost some SP?? If everyone gets them, then those players are still behind, relatively speaking.

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Originally by: Senator Gracca

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Hmm will the bug that you get concorded when you shoot someone in highsec be fixed in this patch?

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Originally by: Im Blue

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...you cant trash stuffs in corp hangers since tyrannis
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you cant set the tower to keep alliance members out since tyrannis...

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Originally by: Larinioides cornutus

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it says that patch notes are available for reviewing, but what's the point of reviewing if CCP is going to implement those stuff regardless?

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Originally by: Dur Luthien

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Hello In the near future I may not be in the game and the Internet (problems with moving to another city). I can not now use the gift SP. Can I count on using them in a week or they will be lost?

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Originally by: Endovelicous

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Of course! CCP should make a debate with all the users, asking what they think about the changes, and if they agree! Yes, democracy is needed.

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Originally by: Libin Herobi

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Edited by: Libin Herobi on 29/06/2010 10:55:16
Just wondering:

When people come here and complain "No fix for XYZ? BAHHH!" and then suddenly 4 hours later the fix is added is that because you simply forgot to put it in the patch notes the first time or because someone dicided to include this fix in the patch or because someone actually fixed it quickly?

IOW: Would the fix for the epic arc have been part of this patch if no one had mentioned it?
And where's the "Excellence" in that?

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Originally by: Daan Sai

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Shouldn't the SP only go to chars whose skills expired during the extended DT - that is, the ones that actually lost some SP?? If everyone gets them, then those players are still behind, relatively speaking.

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Originally by: Janus Nightmare

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What's unusual is that CCP releases their patch notes in advance of applying the patch. Most developers of any kind of software won't release the patch notes until the patch is released. The fact that CCP does this makes them kind of unique, and shows (to me at least) that they're trying very hard to communicate with their users much more transparently than other developers. The alternative is waiting until the patch is deployed, then surprising everyone with what was patched and what wasn't. Which would you rather have?

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Originally by: Smuggo Smuggins

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Wow, amazing how many people are scared to go to low-sec for their precious missions. It really isn't that bad.

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Originally by: Jokerface666

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I would really appriciate the "remove learning skill" thing...

Those skills are KILLING new pilots, i've showed EVE to 5 friends, ALL of them like the game BUT do not want to play it becouse you have to learn learning for 3 Months, to be able to learn something else in an normal timeframe.... also i personally do not really understand what they are good for than keeping unpatient people out of the game, GIVE US UNPAITIENT PEOPLE CCP SO E HAVE MORE TARGETS TO SHOT AT!

Thoose Skills Shorten for example: Battleship lvl5 from lvl3 for 9 days, that's nothing if you have to wait 51 days....!

It would be awesome, to remove thoose skills, add the Attribute Points to Character all at 5, and refund the Skillpoints to use it on something more usefull...

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Originally by: EMPstrike

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Edited by: EMPstrike on 29/06/2010 11:47:43
CSM. Vote for the ones that believe in the change YOU want. thats your POLL sir >.<

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Originally by: Reldor Silverheart

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Originally by: Jokerface666

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I would really appriciate the "remove learning skill" thing...

Those skills are KILLING new pilots, i've showed EVE to 5 friends, ALL of them like the game BUT do not want to play it becouse you have to learn learning for 3 Months, to be able to learn something else in an normal timeframe.... also i personally do not really understand what they are good for than keeping unpatient people out of the game, GIVE US UNPAITIENT PEOPLE CCP SO E HAVE MORE TARGETS TO SHOT AT!

Thoose Skills Shorten for example: Battleship lvl5 from lvl3 for 9 days, that's nothing if you have to wait 51 days....!

It would be awesome, to remove thoose skills, add the Attribute Points to Character all at 5, and refund the Skillpoints to use it on something more usefull...

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Protip: Don't recomend a new player to train the learning skills the first things they do.. get them to establish a source of income first..

Some people can't think can they?

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Originally by: Kill'Boy Bunny

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Originally by: EMPstrike

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Edited by: EMPstrike on 29/06/2010 11:47:43
CSM. Vote for the ones that believe in the change YOU want. thats your POLL sir >.<

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Well the CSM isnt working obviously is it SIR >.<

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Originally by: EMPstrike

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Originally by: Kill'Boy Bunny

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Originally by: EMPstrike

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Edited by: EMPstrike on 29/06/2010 11:47:43
CSM. Vote for the ones that believe in the change YOU want. thats your POLL sir >.<

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Well the CSM isnt working obviously is it SIR >.<

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Proof?

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Originally by: Reldor Silverheart

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@Joker

That is one of the cases yeah, but i'd say 75% of the times you have seasoned players recomending those skills first, which in my opnion is plain dumb. But if a new player get's the idea to train learning skills first i personally would recomend them to at least be able to have some fun and get a income first, being able to blow things up etc really removes the tedium of the learning skills.

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Originally by: EMPstrike

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I see people unhappy with things as is and will always be in any game, obviously. The learning skill thing? i believe i heard it referenced in a CCP interview during the AT8 as something they are looking into. I know for a fact there are several things that came about BECAUSE of the CSM. And usually the candidates will tell you during their campaign what it is they plan to bring up to CCP, Personally i might add.

Your above Proof? this isn't proof of CSM not working, just proof that there is always something people want changed.

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Originally by: EMPstrike

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And then people will be very unhappy that their "feature" wasn't polled this time. Exactly the same way it is now.

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Originally by: Kill'Boy Bunny

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who wants to read Countless CSM's stupid posts like i will do this and that i am a accountant so i know X, or i am prime minister so have good ppl skills........ meh ADD A POLL

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Originally by: Esrevid Nekkeg

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Originally by: Smuggo Smuggins

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Wow, amazing how many people are scared to go to low-sec for their precious missions. It really isn't that bad.

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Yes it is. For me at least. Of the 9 times I ventured into low-sec, I only survived once....
Each and every time I died at the hands of players, not NPC's. And the one time I did survive, I was alone in the system the entire duration of my presence there.

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Originally by: SwissChris1

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Originally by: Senator Gracca

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Hmm will the bug that you get concorded when you shoot someone in highsec be fixed in this patch?

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lol? You cannot shoot someone in highsec who 1) you aren't at war with or 2) isn't in your fleet

Are you refering to something else?

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Originally by: Esrevid Nekkeg

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Originally by: Smuggo Smuggins

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Wow, amazing how many people are scared to go to low-sec for their precious missions. It really isn't that bad.

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Yes it is. For me at least. Of the 9 times I ventured into low-sec, I only survived once....
Each and every time I died at the hands of players, not NPC's. And the one time I did survive, I was alone in the system the entire duration of my presence there.

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Originally by: Eric Loto

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Getting rid of learning, i hope not.
For one thing if u do it in the 100% bonus, its like a month to get all of them, and only what like 3 months for you to catch up because of the SP boost? It gives u more toys in the long run guy. WAY more toys WAY sooner.

If they get rid of learning skills, think of the advantage those who can afford +5 sets. Now it gives them a boost on an epic scale. it used to be the difference between +10 and +15. But when its +0 or +5 that is going to be a bigger deal.

Gives us something to force new players to do to get them into the swing of Eve. Forsaking one thing for another, (ie frigate 3 for focus 4) etc. It'l actually help in the long run.

although it would be cool to have those said millions, but only cool, not the right thing to do.

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Originally by: Evelyne Amarr

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I appreciate the change, how CCP handles issues now, when I have the latest relocation of servers in mind. First they made, what they always do, extending the DT, then again, again, disappointing. But the point, where they just informed about a delay in about-time made me think, they improve the dealing with all of us and reduce disappointements. Congrats to that, CCP!

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Originally by: Herzbrecher

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Originally by: SwissChris1

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Originally by: Senator Gracca

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Hmm will the bug that you get concorded when you shoot someone in highsec be fixed in this patch?

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lol? You cannot shoot someone in highsec who 1) you aren't at war with or 2) isn't in your fleet

Are you refering to something else?

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I believe they call this "comedy", friend.

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Originally by: Eric Loto

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Make a new planet without the problem, with a up start cost of 10mil max it should be fine.

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Originally by: SPYDER245

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CAN CCP keep up to theyr promisses for once in a lifetime ??? u sayed 13.30 for a totally useless ship u made this patch, dont forget guys u tooked us 1 day last week .. so how do we do this ? u give all players a discount?!?!?! i gues not ....

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Originally by: SPYDER245

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CAN CCP keep up to theyr promisses for once in a lifetime ??? u sayed 13.30 for a totally useless ship u made this patch, dont forget guys u tooked us 1 day last week .. so how do we do this ? u give all players a discount?!?!?! i gues not ....

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Originally by: EMPstrike

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Everyone do pushups and situps during extended downtimes. we will be so damn buff we can kick the WoW community's asssss

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Originally by: Linoa Hiroshi

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Whow, you are angry against CCP !
And it's a relative big patch, you know. See this patch note and wait with peace.

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Originally by: Ghalyen

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What does Incompatible(Protocol) mean next to server status?

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Originally by: Kill'Boy Bunny

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I love the way that the little message in the login screen says "Extended downtime on June 29th 2010 for deployment of the Tyrannis 1.0.2 patch. Downtime will start at 11:00 UTC and is expected to be completed at 14:30 UTC."

even though before it said exactualy the same thing only 13:30, they change it as if ppl will doubt that they read it right in the first place. why not say oups again will be delayed by a further 1 hr (proubaly 7)

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Originally by: Kill'Boy Bunny

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Originally by: EMPstrike

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Everyone do pushups and situps during extended downtimes. we will be so damn buff we can kick the WoW community's asssss

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lol but we could anyway, they say the hardest thing about playing WoW is telling your family your gay

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Originally by: Anthony Head

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Down time has been extended by an additional hour, estimated to end at 14:30 UTC.

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Originally by: Kill'Boy Bunny

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Originally by: Anthony Head

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Down time has been extended by an additional hour, estimated to end at 14:30 UTC.

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Tahnks for the update!! wow your quick

we knew this what 40mins ago

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Originally by: Smuggo Smuggins

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Originally by: Esrevid Nekkeg

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Originally by: Smuggo Smuggins

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Wow, amazing how many people are scared to go to low-sec for their precious missions. It really isn't that bad.

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Yes it is. For me at least. Of the 9 times I ventured into low-sec, I only survived once....
Each and every time I died at the hands of players, not NPC's. And the one time I did survive, I was alone in the system the entire duration of my presence there.

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Well you must not be paying enough attention to your surroundings. I've been doing exploration sites out in low-sec for months now and have only been ganked twice, and both times because I did something stupid.

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Originally by: Tiberious Heth

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i suggest you take the extra hours dt and spend it with your families or doing something a little more constructive than playing games.

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Originally by: Hyper EmU

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Originally by: Tiberious Heth

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i suggest you take the extra hours dt and spend it with your families or doing something a little more constructive than playing games.

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Correct me if im wrong... but that comment is a little redundant due to the fact you are a player too?

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Originally by: Elvestra Flower

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Tiberious Heth...

it isnt that they DON"T do it right... it's basic business here, Don;y make promises to customers you can't keep!!

personally could care less about game time, but even the employees of a company don't want to be linked to constant failure..
If you played a sport, would you always want to be on the team that ""just never played to there expectations and potential " or the team that succeeded?

Been in sales a number of years, I know shyte happens, but it's called good ole fashion CYA !! If your customers expect you to fail, is that a good thing??

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Originally by: Tiberious Heth

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Originally by: Elvestra Flower

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Tiberious Heth...

it isnt that they DON"T do it right... it's basic business here, Don;y make promises to customers you can't keep!!

personally could care less about game time, but even the employees of a company don't want to be linked to constant failure..
If you played a sport, would you always want to be on the team that ""just never played to there expectations and potential " or the team that succeeded?

Been in sales a number of years, I know shyte happens, but it's called good ole fashion CYA !! If your customers expect you to fail, is that a good thing??

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i know what you are saying but where do they say 'we promise the server will be back at an exact time?'
it doesn't but it does say 'we should be back at x time' this is not a promise. this says to me that we hope to be back at this time but there is always a chance we wont be.

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Originally by: Staaken

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OMG people!

Shut up and stop whining about extented downtime. It will be ready when it is ready. If you can predict future better than CCP go ahead and apply a job for them.

If you can't do better than CCP then shut up. If you can do better than CCP work for them.

I'm sure CCP does it's best to keep things running and will provide us a quality game experience now and future.

You all should be thankful that you get constant upgrades and patches to keep things running smoothly. Of course there is a lot still to be fixed and I'm sure CCP knows what they are doing and when.

Try to be little bit more supportive towards CCP.

Period.

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Originally by: Hyper EmU

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Originally by: Tiberious Heth

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i suggest you take the extra hours dt and spend it with your families or doing something a little more constructive than playing games.

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Correct me if im wrong... but that comment is a little redundant due to the fact you are a player too?

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Originally by: Staaken

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OMG people!

Shut up and stop whining about extented downtime. It will be ready when it is ready. If you can predict future better than CCP go ahead and apply a job for them.

If you can't do better than CCP then shut up. If you can do better than CCP work for them.

I'm sure CCP does it's best to keep things running and will provide us a quality game experience now and future.

You all should be thankful that you get constant upgrades and patches to keep things running smoothly. Of course there is a lot still to be fixed and I'm sure CCP knows what they are doing and when.

Try to be little bit more supportive towards CCP.

Period.

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Originally by: Avenger1

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Patch notes for Tyrannis 1.0.2, released June 29, 2010

CRITICAL.

Due to the unprecedented nature of the downtime on the 23rd and 24th of June, players have been awarded a number of bonus skill points to assign to a skill or skills of their choice. These skill points will be assigned to the highest skill point character on the account and can be applied by right clicking the desired skill in the character sheet.

100k skill points is considered critical? good to have replaced but hardly, critical!

Market

òOxygen and Water will now be listed under the planetary materials and not under trade goods in the market window.
òPlanetary Materials market group will now display the correct icon.

and this is considered important too? did we players suddenly forget there is a market search fuction and a item quick bar there to use? Been there for years in fact.

Sheesh! shouldn't you be concentrating on an actual faulty 96 hour timer issue on your new PI setup.
Where you cannot stop it, as it trudles on in an never ending loop without destroying the extractor and replacing it with a new one,I know they are not massivley expensive to replace,at least for most of us players. However, the point is it's actually a broken/faulty game function and should not pushed out of the way for trivia.

Sorry but it' kind of takes the Wow!factor out of "wow here's your new ship toy" but we haven't fixed a fault in the code which controls a crucial item involved in the PI operation. Again it's not the isk involved it's the customer perception(s) of the product delivered,

Sorry! but thats the way most folks look at things these days, you don't paper over the cracks to hide the faults or fiddle arround with minor items you fix the faults then give a shinney toy as by way of an appology as and if you feel its appropriate.

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Originally by: Tiberious Heth

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wow...............people still insist on smack talking ccp about how long it takes for them to deploy a new patch, or not fixing previously known issues or whatever the hell else. But they are all still so adicted to the game.

What do you want next? CCP to run the plexes for you? Mining all that arkonor for you? or how about they wipe your arse every time you take a dump??

I have an idea.....why dont you go make an mmo as epic as eveonline, and let us know how well you get on with updating it and patching it as much as ccp has done here.

yes there are issues that could do with being fixed. yes it would be brilliant if everything always went as planned and on time. but the woork ccp does is a real life thing (its a job for real people in the real world) and real life never goes as smoothly as you would like.

i suggest you take the extra hours dt and spend it with your families or doing something a little more constructive than playing games.

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Originally by: Klahkdu

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Edited by: Klahkdu on 29/06/2010 13:26:54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9K4BKkLaCI

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Originally by: Jenfai

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Originally by: Smuggo Smuggins

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Originally by: Esrevid Nekkeg

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Originally by: Smuggo Smuggins

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Wow, amazing how many people are scared to go to low-sec for their precious missions. It really isn't that bad.

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Yes it is. For me at least. Of the 9 times I ventured into low-sec, I only survived once....
Each and every time I died at the hands of players, not NPC's. And the one time I did survive, I was alone in the system the entire duration of my presence there.

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Well you must not be paying enough attention to your surroundings. I've been doing exploration sites out in low-sec for months now and have only been ganked twice, and both times because I did something stupid.

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I suppose your right low sec exploration sites are the same as lvl 5 missions ??

Your running theses eploration sites in a nice big golem that can be scanned in a couple seconds ??. Personally if I run low sec exploration sites its in a small fast ship. Dont ever seem to get warp scrambled. In lvl 5 missions I was frequently unable to warp out for several minutes. A pve fitted ship with support ships needing to remote repair is a sitting duck that one pvp fitted BS could easily destroy or are you suggesting pve fitted ships can generally kill pvp fitted ships? Now you can use arguement that should take a full fleet of people, so spend an hour waiting for everyone to get together and headout to do missions. Word gets around to local pirates so you can then spend 2 hours hiding in your pve fitted ships and ultimately have to fail mission. . Hmm that sounds fun why wouldnt people want to pay good money to do that??

Either they make pve fitted ship viable for pvp or forget people missioning in low sec. Just wont happen. And current changes means normal mission runnners have to spend lots of time going several jumps to run missions which lots are getting fed up of. If things are not changed I think this game will die a slow death!!!

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Originally by: Rawblin

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Obviously anything that can go wrong will, and so I can understand the position CCP is in to roll out patches in a timely manner, and the frustration they AND the community feel when estimates get pushed back.

Having said that, if the shoe were on the other foot, do you think CCP would be as forgiving as the playerbase?

For example, we all know that we are scheduled to pay once per month to be able to log in and play EvE. This day is something that can be planned for, predicted, and calculated by. So what would happen if you were an hour late on that payment? Two hours? But you sent an email updating CCP that the payment would be an hour late. Then two hours?

I'm sure they would still let you log in. Really.

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Originally by: CCP Navigator

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EVE Online: Tyrannis 1.0.2 will be deployed this Tuesday, June 29, 2010.

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Originally by: Eric Loto

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What you need to do is join militia, and figure it out. FW will teach you how to survive fast. I live in lowsec, have a sec status >0 and make bank out there. Doing whatever, it just takes brains.

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