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Bob the'Cyno	Posted - 2011.06.24 11:57:00 - [3121] Those CCP dudes are busy on Twitter, doubt they'll respond here.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.06.24 11:57:00 - [3122] Originally by: COMEATMEBRO IMHERE FUCKING PONY FAGS KILL THOSE BRONYS GIVE ME MONOCLES OR THIS PONY WILL DIE LOL, YOU MAD? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Wakeland	Posted - 2011.06.24 11:58:00 - [3123] Originally by: Sgt Blade I wonder how this will all turn out... Also, Helicity really got perma-banned? For leaking 'Fearless'?
Amberlamps	Posted - 2011.06.24 11:58:00 - [3124] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Amberlamps Originally by: Isis Soryu Originally by: DeBingJos Helicity Boson on Twitter: Huzzah! I have been permabanned from EVE-online! #tweetfleet WHAT THE **** UNBAN HELICTY AND FREE HAT! Who is Hat? Hat is a fictional character in a comedy called South Park, watch the episode. FREE HAT
Alexis Sachs	Posted - 2011.06.24 11:58:00 - [3125] Edited by: Alexis Sachs on 24/06/2011 11:59:51 I'm going to have to join the unban Helicity crowd. This was perhaps not a smart move... Edit: Holy crap my first for-real snipe...
Tammarr	Posted - 2011.06.24 11:58:00 - [3126] Originally by: Miilla TODO: 1) ~~Play Eve~~ 2) Watch CCP's demise - IN PROGRESS 3) Watch real train wreck to compare with item 2) oh look, helicity fanboy still raging and posting on every page how to much emo she is to logon and play the game. you and your forum warrior buddies still doing a great job at trolling the crap and redirecting any discussion that is actualy containing valid points from getting attention all because heilicity got burned. boohoo, that hulk bpo owning heli profiting from hulkageddon can suck my hairy donkey nose, great money to. how is thoose 20b in plex you have admitted in forum to having in your hangar selling now that ccp didnt introduce low priced noble items causing a spike in plex demand and hence price. making you and other plex speculants lose money rather that kaching big bucks on a patch, which is what ccp said they would do with new patches: stop market manipulators for profiteering madly. sadly high priced intro of noble items is the only way to go about this, i wont buy anything till prices start coming down, but this way is a hell of a lot better then plex rising to 450-500m each because everyone wants some noble items. i hope you, your forum warrior alts and sucky friends all get forum banned since your already not going to play the game anymore, what difference would that make? no, your only here saying things for your buddy helici.
Lulzes Amarr EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.24 11:58:00 - [3127] Hey ÇÇP, how about perma-banning everyone in this thread? Most of us are leaving the game anyway! Then you can have your game all to yourself and sit around your CQs wearing your monocles. "Nothing is so easy as to deceive one's self; for what we wish, we readily believe." á - Demosthenes
Patches Donnarblizen	Posted - 2011.06.24 11:59:00 - [3128] I think its right what a CSM stated above, all this writing will change nothing. I canceled my subscription for future sub-periods with the following reasons: CQ has no purpose. RMT are not a game i like to participate in. Lying to customers is an epic fail.
Dark Flonoe	Posted - 2011.06.24 11:59:00 - [3129] On beginning I apology for my english, I hope your eyes will not bleed too much. When I start playing eve (2007), eve online was a game like: - there weren't any adhd kids - you need it iq on average level to understand game mechanic - authors (ccp) fight aainst bots (famous event called hammer of justice áor something like this) - patience was something required - there wasn't item like "ring of total ownage" - game mechanics was on scissors/rockpaper rule - economy was amaizing near like rl economy - watching at on playoff level was amaizing in past Eve today is different game which is like: - there are plenty of bots - authors accept exploits (last one is from yesterday - active cyno in cynojammed system) - for rl cash you will able to buy item called "ring of total ownage"(however dramiel with 8/8/8 slots sounds sexy) - you will no need patience anymore because you will able to by sp for rl cash - iq will not matter, all what you need will be able to read and rl cash for "ring of total ownage" - who has bigger sc/titan blob rule in game - at9 finale was't pure eve style, it was pathetic - whole economy will be based on rl cash and item shop Usually when someone cry about game changes I say "adapt or die". Now I think I will choose "die" when my wallet will be empty and will not have isks for plexes. **** happens, maybe when ccp will see ammount of active accounts decrease then they will change their politics or will push more and more.
Bischopt	Posted - 2011.06.24 11:59:00 - [3130] Edited by: Bischopt on 24/06/2011 12:04:11 Originally by: Milkmy Sausage Originally by: Veronica Zegna Edited by: Veronica Zegna on 24/06/2011 11:47:59 Originally by: Milkmy Sausage PLease guys, if you have multiple accounts please cancel what you can afford to and make your voice heard, it's the only way CCP will listen. These are my comments form my subscription cancellation 'The recent leaked memo refers to the potential for the AUR store thing to be used to purchase ships, items etc etc. PLEX was bad enough and we just about let that slide. This is now no longer acceptable. I am cancelling this account until CCP confirm that they will not allow AUR or any other currency, (aside from ISK) to be used for microtransactions that affect gameplay. I have no problem with vanity items (provided they can be recovered by other parties via podding/ship destruction) but allowing anything that enables people to obtain an in game advantage is wholly unfair and ruins the existing reward system in eve. You may as well just come straight out and sell SP if you're going down this route. I'm absolutely disgusted you even considered this. I thought CCP were better than this. For info this account represents half of my total subscriptions. If we do not get confirmation by 13th July that AUR will only ever be used for vanity items then I'm cancelling my other account as well' Why not just demand these 'virtual goods' will become ISK sinks. Have them put it up in stations. To be honest, after 5 years of development all we got was a room and some expensive wardrobe items, I'd say they're paid for anyway. At this point the damage is done. AUR needs to go, anything less won't matter anyway. Words are just that, words. Certainly in CCP's case. Because I accept that CCP need to make extra revenue and vanity items as ISK sink won;t do it. so to that effect AUR is a necessary evil, the way I see it is that if it;s vanity items only then there's no harm. I'm willing to give CCP something so I'll let AUR slide provided it can;t affect gameplay No, it really insnt a necessary evil and it needs to go. MT's kill eve's soul in the face with fire. edit: as soon as MT's go I'll resub. Not any sooner. That's the main problem with incarna for me.
Smoking Blunts	Posted - 2011.06.24 11:59:00 - [3131] so at what time will the new forums go live so you can loose this thred for ever and put you head in the sand once again ccp?
Clone Whisper	Posted - 2011.06.24 11:59:00 - [3132] My apologies,... it's not my intention to say that CSM is not doing their job, it's the opposit. What i mean is that the level of disclosure is what's killing this game and what is cousing this inferno to keep on raging. there's thing that surely can be disclosed for any further communication. The players don't have to know every dot and exclemation mark what's on paper or what's being said between CCP and CSM. Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow We try and communicate with the players as much as possible. Sure, there are some things that are NDA, and (alas) there are things like the virtual goods pricing strategy (or, for that manner, <insert recent CCP screwup here>) where CSM was simply not consulted. But outside of those limitations, we do the best we can. What i am saying here is that it should be the CSM that needs to be un-disclosed from any and all ideas, discussions or proposals relating to EVE. Put more weight behind the CSM so that screwups like this will not occur. The CSM is a bodey of players taking part and representing the player base within the structure of CCP. Enlighten CSM becouse i am dead sure that if you all got a whiff of air about what was to come you would have stood up and said something about it. To be honest i've already started to close down two of my accounts becouse i lost trust in CCP after this debacle. Still, i'm keeping my main up and going to see how things will develope from here so i can decide from that point on if it's still worth re-activating my other accounts or if this bird realy has song it's last song. I still have faith in the CSM. However,.. something for CCP to reconsidder as well as CSM is the insane level of disclosure. We are still paying their paycheck and it's time for ccp to start considdering us as more than just a player community. We (as a player community) don't have to know every single twist and turn of what's happening behind the screens, But we do have a right to be informed about important things that will impact gameplay.
xeitgeist	Posted - 2011.06.24 12:00:00 - [3133] LOL CCP BANNED HELICITY FOR CRITICIZING THEIR STUPID BULLSHT WHAT A BUNCH OF CNTS R.I.P. EVE ONLINE
Generous Benefactor	Posted - 2011.06.24 12:01:00 - [3134] Originally by: CCP Manifest That was not on purpose and I sincerely apologize for that. We've asked you guys to digest a lot of very quick changes and did a suboptimal job at walking beside you during the past month. Dev blogs and test servers and AT interviews and such didn't quite cut it for everything. Bull**. Stop treating your customers like imbeciles or children. We don't need handholding or explaining the greater concepts of your strategy. We know exactly what you are doing and we don't like it and nor do we want it. And we are telling you time and time again that WE DO NOT LIKE IT AND WE DO NOT WANT IT. Do you understand? If you like, I will write a blog and/or walk you through it on my test server and in an interview if you wish. Originally by:** CCP Manifest I won't make excuses for those features we know are much wanted or the ones people want us to go back and "fix". Heck, I want some of them. Soundwave and Eyjo and Dropbear and TonyG and Fallout want them too. BUT, making and designing and creating a game isn't pick and choose, especially when it comes to introducing something like Incarna or devoting significant dev time to rewriting old code backbone...... Bull***. We told you we DID NOT WANT INCARNA. We wanted all the other stuff fixed. But you guys carry on because you know best, delivering useless garbage expansion year after year after year. Your post is a disgrace.
Korgoroth Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.06.24 12:01:00 - [3135] Edited by: Korgoroth on 24/06/2011 12:01:05 Linkage Looks like the Citigroup manager that jumped ship before the banker bailouts swindled us again.
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group	Posted - 2011.06.24 12:01:00 - [3136] Originally by: Rodj Blake Does anyone remember this? Whoa! If that isn't illegal, it should be.
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.24 12:01:00 - [3137] Edited by: leth ghost on 24/06/2011 12:01:40 So banning people is the new tactic, as well as not replying ** me you realy are a bunch of **s
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.06.24 12:01:00 - [3138] Originally by: DeBingJos Helicity Boson on Twitter: Huzzah! I have been permabanned from EVE-online! #tweetfleet What did she get perma-banned for?
Vandrion Gallente The Collective B O R G	Posted - 2011.06.24 12:01:00 - [3139] Qouted from the Beginnings Blog on the Dust514 site: "DUST 514 will, as EVE Online does, have a dynamic virtual economy and market that offers the tools that will give you a competitive edge, when used skillfully. Players are able to purchase different gear to equip before deploying into battle, using InterStellar Kredits (ISK), the in-game earned currency of the EVE universe, or through real money currency, called Aurum (AUR). This provides players with flexibility and adaptability in how they approach a combat scenario. Certain items are only available through ISK transactions, while others are only available through AUR. These are then traded freely on a player-driven secondary marketplace." So... CCP is including AUR in DUST which further ties it into Eve and explains why CCP isn't listening to the feedback from the players. http://www.dust514.com/en/news/?article=1980 "RPS: So, if IÆm an EVE player, how is my game going to change after DUST is released? Torfi: Well, you have the ability to be more strategic when you are conquering planets and solar systems, in nulsec. Those are the main touchpoints. Highsec carebears need not worry. The same for lowsec. The main touchpoint upon the launch of DUST, will be in nulsec, will be in sovereignty, will be in inflicting damage and destruction and death upon your enemies, destroying their infrastructure and their means to survive, either by means or scorched earth or by stealing their installations on the surfaces of planets. There will be more going on on the surfaces of planets. WeÆve introduced mechanics allowing people to manufacture goods on the planets, but planets will play a more pivotal role in sovereignty mechanics further down the line." Snippet of the RPS interview on Dust 514 So not only will the dust players spend RL cash to buy an advantage in their game, they will be using that RL cash purchase to buy an advantage in OUR sov warfare. With the roll out of Dust 514 CCP is going to allow MT to have game altering effects. However insignificant it may appear it IS going to happen. CCP has invested too much into their new baby to allow us to change their mind......... WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO ANSWER THE MT QUESTION CCP?????? Man up and do it so we don't waste anymore of our money!
Amber Villaneous	Posted - 2011.06.24 12:01:00 - [3140] Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Originally by: Cedric deBouilard Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow As for what you should do to best express your opinion of recent events in New Eden, all I can tell you is that CCP pays more attention to what you do than what you say. Trebor, should I read this as "they will listen to you if you cancel subs and ignore NeX" or you were trying to say something else? Given my position as a CSM, it would not be appropriate for me to advocate that my fellow players take a particular action. I monocle what you did there.
enterprisePSI Unimatrix 0.1	Posted - 2011.06.24 12:02:00 - [3141] ccp. I am disappoint. The Pod Log. \|\|\| I MADE TWEET Y U NO FOLLOW!?
DeBingJos Minmatar Jukebox Warriors	Posted - 2011.06.24 12:02:00 - [3142] Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Originally by: DeBingJos Helicity Boson on Twitter: Huzzah! I have been permabanned from EVE-online! #tweetfleet What did she get perma-banned for? http://pastebin.com/NtRB9bin
Carmine Lady Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.06.24 12:02:00 - [3143] http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536507 i made the post about Helicity in C&P where it belongs. :( this is a sad time damn you CCP FREE HELICITY
xeitgeist	Posted - 2011.06.24 12:02:00 - [3144] Edited by: xeitgeist on 24/06/2011 12:03:34 http://pastebin.com/NtRB9bin R.I.P. EVE ONLINE
Zverofaust Gallente Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.24 12:02:00 - [3145] Good news on Helicity permaban (if true), it's one of the few things you've done right in the past few dasys. That guy is obviously a self-obsessed delusional child focused on acting out some hilarious internet martyrdom stageplay. Ban the trolls, focus on fixing the ****ing game.
Ravcharas GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.06.24 12:03:00 - [3146] Ok, so I've mostly skimmed this thread, I'm late to the party so this might never get read and what I'm about to write might be repetition anyway. But it's a threadnaught so I'll join in. CQ first; you should have let the players who enjoy it promote it to the players who doesn't enjoy it at the rate you expanded it. Making this a mandatory exercise was foolish considering the scope of the feature. If sitting in a sofa and staring at a huge screen with ever repeating infomercials is the future then I don't even... Ok, MT: First I'll admit that I'm wary of microtransactions as a concept. When a product or service uses it it's usually explained as "lowering the threshold for entry" and while that may be true, as I customer I always feel like it cheapens the entire thing. It makes my transaction and interaction with the company a purely mechanical affair. The company isn't asking me to go along with their vision or whatever, I just pay for what I want and ignore the things I don't want. Which can be fine, if I'm at McDonalds. I don't want or need to have an emotional or intellectual relationship with every company that enjoys my custom. But I do with some. Eve is a product that has from the outset taken a long view. Skilling takes a long time, game mechanics work on a scale of hours and days. It's a game that asks for alot of your time and effort and usually rewards you for it in equal measure. For better or for worse I believe that such a setup will encourage people to approach their relationship with the game as something that isn't a purely economic transaction. Instead of lowering the threshold for entry you guys raised it. But in return, you also raised the threshold for exit. At times like these it must feel a bit like having a pack of rabid wolves for company, but it is what it is. Second, I'm extremely goddamn wary of MT in return for functionality. So wary in fact that this is a dealbreaker for me. I don't really care all that much what business model a game uses behind the scenes. I decide where I spend my leisure time on the grounds of what gameplay I enjoy, not how you guys finance your venture. Not my problem. But MT in exchange for functionality is a huge red flag because it tells me that the design and implementation of in-game features and functionality will be pre-gimped and pre-nerfed unless I pony up the dough. It's low-balling and it's a persuasion method that is frankly unethical, insulting and disgusting. MT for vanity items is not that big of a deal to me. I personally think it cheapens the experience whenever there's an alternate dollar pricetag on ingame stuff. It makes me cringe a little. So I had no plans of buying any AUR anyway, no matter what the pricepoint was at. Now you guys might say that there will never be any MT for functionality. You can swear it will never be implemented, despite one of your lead game designers expressing a desire for going in that exact direction. You can claim it was him playing devil's advocate and that CCP's MT will be fine if we only have a faith. But here's the thing. One year ago CCP Shadow said there was going to be no MT at all in Eve. Now MT is not only planned, it's designed and implemented and deployed! You guys either knew you were gonna do it and lied to our faces about it, or you just set some kind of internal record for development. Your turnaround for fixing shipmodels is longer than this for crying out loud! You have promised so much iteration on stuff I cannot take your word for anything. You shifted resources over to your other ventures and I get that. You don't want all your eggs in one basket. But for me as a customer here's what it looks like; Dust will be free for the Dust players because the Eve players already paid for it. Paid for it with capital that could have been more overtly and honestly spent improving the Eve universe right here and now. For us. So I don't really trust what you say anymore.
COMEATMEBRO IMHERE	Posted - 2011.06.24 12:03:00 - [3147] HELICITY BOSON FOREVER ALONE THE LOGS THEY SHOW NOTHING BAHAHAHA
Glasgow Dunlop	Posted - 2011.06.24 12:03:00 - [3148] I herd they gona be hiring out an opera house for fanfest next year, thats gona be a pretty lonly place for the poor S.O.B that show up, all 148 of them
Dograzor The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2011.06.24 12:04:00 - [3149] Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Originally by: DeBingJos Helicity Boson on Twitter: Huzzah! I have been permabanned from EVE-online! #tweetfleet What did she get perma-banned for? Read her twitter. http://twitter.com/#!/HelicityBoson She was speaking out against the MT, and helped making the MT article available. CCP banned her straight after, and now is confirmed to be permabanned. You can find the whole story linked on her twitter. - "We don't gank, we just apply force in a disproportionate manner during an uneven tactical combat situation to maximize revenue and increase shareholder value"
AnzacPaul	Posted - 2011.06.24 12:04:00 - [3150] Originally by: Amber Villaneous Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Originally by: Cedric deBouilard Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow As for what you should do to best express your opinion of recent events in New Eden, all I can tell you is that CCP pays more attention to what you do than what you say. Trebor, should I read this as "they will listen to you if you cancel subs and ignore NeX" or you were trying to say something else? Given my position as a CSM, it would not be appropriate for me to advocate that my fellow players take a particular action. I monocle what you did there. CSM is long past following ccp's rulebook if you ask me. They should be at the front of the holding the megaphones and pitchforks. Are you really that interested in keeping your place in the CSM after this???????

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