Newer players in particular are unlikely to notice that this hull has a shorter recharge time than its class/race would otherwise indicate. It takes time to dig into the stats of every ship enough to notice details like this, and if you wait around for players to gain that much experience, you're not going to grow the player base much.

if you are within web and scram range you are so close the MWD bonus is wasted. Is will be better to just up the drone damage and hp by an additional 5%, or as im down stated increase the max control by +2

Just did some calculations and found that a Hobgonblin with its mwd on will travel about 32km/s and a warrior will travel about 44km/s. There is very frw destroyer setups that will be able to take advantage of the ridiculous amount of speed the drones will get.

Flexibility. Yes the MWD bonus is not a useful up close but the heavier Drones are useful up close while the drone bay still gives the option to throw out a flight of lights to chase kiters. Don't get me wrong I would not turn down 15% drone damage bonus.




Did you treat it as a per level bonus? Just add a drone navi comp I, 25% speed bonus Hob gob travels around 5250m/s

What on EARTH is the 35 drone bandwith for? having two medium drones..? why on earth would you want that?

Why not just increase the damage bonus instead of giving it the possibility of using drones that are bad against virtually all of its viable targets.......

Gallente destroyer:

Well, silly changes like this drone bandwidth thing and velocity increase, happens when you have terrible pilots making suggestions. Giving thier input on things they no next to nothing about. They should let thier FC come in this thread and comment for them. @tleast there would be less r3tarded suggestions.


Also, all drones work as intended. They hit what they're suppose too. Light drones hit frigates, medium drones hit cruisers and heavy drones hit battleships. What players are suggesting is that CCP make a large pulse laser (heavy drone) track and hit a frigate.

Having most of your damage wrapped up in drones on the frigate/destroyer level is a mistake and doesn't and hasn't worked. It works on cruisers and above, but not with frigates and destroyers. Even if the Gallente destroyer gained a drone damage bonus. The missile destroyers will clean its clock. You know! Unless, ECM drones lucky jam, but you lose damage to do so.

I can go into how these missile destroyers will school the other destroyers, but I rather just wait untill these proposed destroyers get released and just do my talking ingame by esploding sh!t. However, I've already completely wrote off the Amarr destroyer @tleast compared to the other destroyers in the list and now I've written off the Gallente destroyer.

With that all said.

The Amarr destroyer CAN work against close range destroyers and frigates. Not so much against those that can kite or don't use capacitor extensive weapon system, though.

I don't get how you fail to see the amarr one is a mini-curse and the gallente one is a rail boat that can kite like a boss with amazing tracking on a long range weapon. That's a big enough difference for me.

I don't think it should have a recon bonus on it really its clearly out of place give it a drone tracking bonus instead or extra drone HP or even a resist bonus on the ship itself...

Wow, this is christmas ! And people still complain about the gallente destroyer ? Come on, if only with drone bonuses, it will only be a fat tristan. It NEED turrets to be better than the tristan. And now with more bandwidth, it's even better against larger targets !

I don't know how one can think of the gallente destroyer to be worse than before : same number of equivalent turrets, hob will be as fast as normal warriors (which is huge, if there is no problem of AI), and a tracking bonus for the turrets instead of range mean damage application with rails.

Wow, this is christmas ! And people still complain about the gallente destroyer ? Come on, if only with drone bonuses, it will only be a fat tristan. It NEED turrets to be better than the tristan. And now with more bandwidth, it's even better against larger targets !

I don't know how one can think of the gallente destroyer to be worse than before : same number of equivalent turrets, hob will be as fast as normal warriors (which is huge, if there is no problem of AI), and a tracking bonus for the turrets instead of range mean damage application with rails.

What on EARTH is the 35 drone bandwith for? having two medium drones..? why on earth would you want that?

Why not just increase the damage bonus instead of giving it the possibility of using drones that are bad against virtually all of its viable targets.......

The Caldari destroyer will have more choices when TE and TC are added to the mix.

I don't get the 35m3 bonus either.

So 2 mediums and 3 lights?

Why?

/me scratch head

how is 35m3 helpful? mediums against frigs are a waste of time they wont track them why odd numbers doesn't make sense just improve the drone hp/dmg bonus instead do it across the board would be useful

Couldn't agree more with this statement. The issue with Amarr vs Gallente drone destroyers was simply the fact that the amarr destroyer fielded the same number, size and damage as the Gallente one and it had a larger drone bay.

Also 35M/Bit is not very useful. As stated medium drones can't track for toffee. This should either be a 50M/Bit with a 10% drone tracking and HP bonus instead of damage or 25M/Bit with a 15% damage and HP bonus. This way the Gallente destroyer will have better drone performance than the Amarr drone destroyer.

The 25% MWD drone bonus is also ideal for the role as blanket speed bonus to the drones causes tracking issues for the drones but just MWD speed works as the drones switch their MWD's off once on target.

So, in short: Choose either a better damage bonus for the 25M/Bit version (15% per level) or give the ship a 50M/Bit bandwidth and a drone tracking bonus.