how is 35m3 helpful? mediums against frigs are a waste of time they wont track them why odd numbers doesn't make sense just improve the drone hp/dmg bonus instead do it across the board would be useful

Update!

Amarr:

• Cap recharge bonus moved into the hull itself - thus capacitor recharge rate reduced from 370 to 275s
• Role bonus changed to 25% MWD speed to drones

Caldari:

• Removed one high slot and launcher slot, gained one mid slot - thus layout now is 7 / 4 / 2, 7 launchers

Gallente:

• Drone bandwidth increased to 35m3
• Drone bay increased to 60m3
• Turret number increased from 4 to 5
• 5% hybrid turret damage bonus per level changed for 10% hybrid turret tracking bonus per level
• Role bonus changed from 50% hybrid turret optimal range to 25% MWD speed to drones

Minmatar hull unchanged.

Min and caldari are fine but you are still making the 2 drone boats useless.

We have 4 ships, 1 a fast in your face, 1 lots of missles and 2 drone boats with nearly identical values.

As I suggested give them 2 unique drone roles, one for ewar and one for damage, there is no reason to have 2 of the same might as well make something new.

I don't get how you fail to see the amarr one is a mini-curse and the gallente one is a rail boat that can kite like a boss with amazing tracking on a long range weapon. That's a big enough difference for me.

I'm liking the Gallente boat more. Took my fifth turret suggestion. Winning! Two medium and three light drones should be a nice mix too. They'll get on top of the target faster. 10 more CPU would be nice but it's solid now. The missile boats look good. Amarr is still questionable to me.

I have a feeling my Cat rail boat is leaving me.

Update!

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Gallente:

Drone bandwidth increased to 35m3

Drone bay increased to 60m3

Turret number increased from 4 to 5

5% hybrid turret damage bonus per level changed for 10% hybrid turret tracking bonus per level

Role bonus changed from 50% hybrid turret optimal range to 25% MWD speed to drones

The bandwith increase is quite obscure as it wont really add much to the effectivenesses, being that medium drone tracking vs frigates is quite bad. Leaving it with 4 turrets and increasing drone damage and hp by an additional 5% would have been better
with the tracking increase i believe you intend this to be used with rails whose long range ammo can reach out to about 24k with skills.
the MWD bonus works well with the range of the rails.

Overall it is better but the hybrid tracking could have easily been a drone tracking bonus and the banwith is just silly

The bandwith increase is quite obscure as it wont really add much to the effectivenesses, being that medium drone tracking vs frigates is quite bad. Leaving it with 4 turrets and increasing drone damage and hp by an additional 5% would have been better
with the tracking increase i believe you intend this to be used with rails whose long range ammo can reach out to about 24k with skills.
the MWD bonus works well with the range of the rails.

Overall it is better but the hybrid tracking could have easily been a drone tracking bonus and the banwith is just silly

I like the changes; bandwidth does allow a few other utility drone options as others have pointed out.

2x Valks plus 3x Hobs may be viable especially if the target is scrammed and webbed. With the increase bay it allows you to at least keep this bigger flight as an option.

CPU is tight still.

definitely do this RML's on cruisers definitely need more dps although personally i think its silly using frig ammo on a cruiser i would like to see a new ammo type designed for it to kill actual cruisers with low sig radius.

Why don't you just do what I say and crank up the drone damage bonus to 15% per level or something while keeping the bandwidth at 25? Mediums are even more seriously appalling at applying damage than lights.

I don't understand how you can think drones actually hit moving targets at all if you're making an effort to test these ships. A speed bonus might help I guess, but having the option to use mediums won't.

• AMARR DESTROYER:

a nobb would probably be confused and skill wrongly and end up being excluded from most of the amarr lineup
its bad to give noobs such a complex ship so early on and make them train 3 weapon systems and ewar
away with the mini arbie abomination! ewar bonuses have nothing to do on a destroyer anyway
it lies in the name, destroyer says nothing about neuts

mini omen with good tank high damage but low capacitor with fast recharge
makeing the Coercer the long range boat and this one short range
and not completely obsoleting the sentinel

Ship bonuses:
+5% bonus to armor resistance per level.
+5% bonus to Small Energy Turret rate of fire per level
Role bonus:
+50% bonus to Small Energy Turret tracking speed per level
Slot layout: 7 H(+1), 2 M, 4 L, 7(+4) turrets
Fittings: 80(+25) PWG, 160(+10) CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 750 / 950 / 850
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 550(-50) / 250s(-120) / 2.2s(+0,58)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 245+(10) / 2.75 / 1700000 / 4.71s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0(-25 /75)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 30km(-9) / 525 / 6
Sensor strength: 10 radar
Signature radius: 66
Cargo capacity: 300

• CALDARI DESTROYER:

allright CCP Ytterbium won me over this looks a lot better now nothing I would change here

Ship bonuses:
+5% to rocket and light missile kinetic damage per level
+10% to rocket and light missile explosion velocity per level
Role bonus:
+50% to rocket and light missile velocity
Slot layout: 7 H, 4 M, 2 L, 7 launchers
Fittings: 45 PWG, 210 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 950 / 750 / 750
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 500 / 320s / 1.56s
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 250 / 2.5 / 1900000 / 4.89s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 45km / 475 / 7
Sensor strength: 12 gravimetric
Signature radius: 69
Cargo capacity: 450

• GALLENTE DESTROYER:

same as with the amarr one to a lesser degree since there are a lot more drone boats in the gallente lineup
skilling full-on drones at the start will not hurt a new player since there is a drone cruiser and a drone hac and a drone BC
and also a drone BS to look out for

full drone boat with enough cpu and slots to even fit drone upgrade modules
an lots of flexibility due to 50 bandwith
and with the bonuses to tracking even a flight of valks will be good enough to hit frigates
before you scream op think about the time it takes a frigate to kill those 5 med drones: not long at all since they are easier to hit


Ship bonuses:
+10% to drone damage and HP per level
+10% to drone speed per level
Role bonus:
+50% small done tracking per level
Slot layout: 5 H(-1), 4 M(+1), 3 L, 5(+1) turrets
Fittings: 55 PWG, 200 CPU(+50)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 800 / 850 / 950
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 550 / 350s / 1.57s
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 240 / 2.45 / 1800000 / 4.46s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 100
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 42km / 500 / 7
Sensor strength: 11 magnetometric
Signature radius: 72
Cargo capacity: 350

• MINMATAR DESTROYER:

low sig dessie without being forced to fit a mwd to get its bonus
mwd bonus for a brawling ship that only uses its mwd to get in range is a waste anyway


Ship bonuses:
+5% to rocket and light missile explosion damage per level
-5% signature radius per level
Role bonus:
+50% to rocket and light missile velocity
Slot layout: 7 H, 3 M, 3 L, 7 launchers
Fittings: 48 PWG, 200 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 850 / 800 / 800
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 450 / 290s / 1.55s
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 255 / 2.89 / 1600000 / 4.64s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 36km / 550 / 6
Sensor strength: 9 ladar
Signature radius:60
Cargo capacity: 400

Why don't you just do what I say and crank up the drone damage bonus to 15% per level or something while keeping the bandwidth at 25? Mediums are even more seriously appalling at applying damage than lights.

I don't understand how you can think drones actually hit moving targets at all if you're making an effort to test these ships. A speed bonus might help I guess, but having the option to use mediums won't.

You do realize that you are allowed to attack things other than frigs while in a dessie, right? No seriously, you can. And last I checked, medium drones do fairly well against cruiser targets and larger.

You do realize that you are allowed to attack things other than frigs while in a dessie, right? No seriously, you can. And last I checked, medium drones do fairly well against cruiser targets and larger.