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Why can't the minmatar dessy look as awesome as the caldari and gallente dessies? :(

More I read, more I see these new dessies should be t2. They totally pawn most of the AF or EAF either in role in gang or in 1v1.

Even now is fight of some dessies against the AFs tricky fr AFs (it is more or less question of skills, fit and experience).

Same pattern as in cruiser world happening here ..... CCP comes with new ship T1 class or boosts the old one T1> omg t2is useless > tears > some strange boost to t2.

Are the skilled players no more interesting for CCP?

Maybe they intend to continue ahead with the FW plex size changes. With a T1 frig only plex and a plex for T2 frigs and destroyers the destroyers will need to compete with assault ships.

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Why can't the minmatar dessy look as awesome as the caldari and gallente dessies? :(

try running away with no cap.

I agree which is why the should not have turret slots but instead utlity high slots.

Okay, but for what? Dampners are useless against most frigates because the engagement range is so small as is, and they lock so fast. Unlike the Amarr version, the Gallente don't have a real useful ewar against frigates.

Okay, but for what? Dampners are useless against most frigates because the engagement range is so small as is, and they lock so fast. Unlike the Amarr version, the Gallente don't have a real useful ewar against frigates. Throw more neuts on it and turn it into another amarr destroyer?

The other issue with MWD speed is how drones apply damage. It doesn't matter if they can CATCH a MWD frigate because as soon as they switch out of their mwd mode, the frigate moves on, and the drones sit there, then switch back to MWD and never apply their dps.

THIS is one of the major problems and why drones are broken and largely crap as a secondary weapon system. They are unreliable DPS against certain targets, they are destroyable and unreplaceable, and easily manipulated by the target.

How useful is a system of missiles where you only get 5, they can be destroyed and easily outrun.

Also, why no drone implants?

I don't know if you have looked at the link in my signature, but it addresses some ways to address the issues of drones.
an optimum range bonus to the drones would allow them to start applying there damage much sooner and keep it going sooner also.

Missile destroyers shouldn't have race specific damage bonus, but rather a bonus to RoF (or something equally global), imo.

Also, name the Caldari destroyer "Peregrine". Sure, its not the fastest ship, but im sure it'll eat lots of smaller birds

Finally - a reason to laugh about being a small-scale caldari pilot!
Looks good . Keep it up

That would be great and all, but that isn't what they are proposing <.<

That would be great and all, but that isn't what they are proposing <.<

I don't know if you have looked at the link in my signature, but it addresses some ways to address the issues of drones.
an optimum range bonus to the drones would allow them to start applying there damage much sooner and keep it going sooner also.

The problem with higher optimal on the drones is it could push them out of smartbomb range.

This could essentially make smartbombs obsolete, or only effective by having a fleet member cross you in order to take out the drones on you.

That's not really a bad thing, but if you've got smartbombs on your own ship, then why would you need someone else to take out the drones around you?

Cheeky, Omnath, and Pink, not sure if you missed my post. But the mwd bonus in conjunction with an omnidirectional or even a drone scope rig might be a way to address the possible downside of the drone speed bonus. The drone speed increase though, if it does not cause a damage application problem that can't be overcome with the above, is in and of itself a welcome addition.

It could have gone either way though, either a speed bonus or a tracking/optimal bonus liek the tristan got. Both bonuses help address the drone damage application problems.

I went on the test server and loaded a ship to the teeth with drone speed rigs and mods, far surpassing what the destroyer will provide and they were more than capable of hitting the target without over shooting

Was the target a fast moving tech I or tech II frig or destroyer though?

edit - the attempt to orbit problem?

They should actually take the Caldari boat and make it the longer range boat with high alpha.

then, take the minmatar boat, make it faster, plus it has the mwd bonus and make it shorter range, but with a high rate of fire.

Now, you'll have one with high alpha long range, and one with high RoF brawler style.

This would be a distinction between the two ships that will allow them to get away from the specific damage bonuses.

Also, I would say that the minmatar ship would be higher dps due to the RoF bonus, but since the caldari would have greater range and higher alpha it would probably be a nice balancing design.

As it sits right now they're just way too similar.

I reckon the idea of having 35m3 drone bay for Gally is GREAT! This will allow younger players to do lvl2 missions faster, and for those saying "you should only have 25m3 to fit a flight of smalls only", here's a tip - don't use the remaining 10m3! That extra drone space will allow you (or others) to adjust if needed! I know Id rather have it and not use it, than not have it and need it!! Plus, med EWAR drones usually have better affects than light counterparts....assuming they can catch their target (you'll have to be cunning there).

Minmitar looks scary too. Maybe knock off a launcher slot or two hehehehehe j/k

I reckon the idea of having 35m3 drone bay for Gally is GREAT! This will allow younger players to do lvl2 missions faster

The complaint of the Gallente drones isn't the bay, it's the 35b/w.

The complaint of the Gallente drones isn't the bay, it's the 35b/w.

If I try to utilize that then i'll be fielding 2 meds and 3 lights.

However, that's all I can hold in the drone bay, so I'm losing 2 light drone to battle frigs.

The point is that odd bandwidths that don't match set numbers that we would typically use is pointless.

However, a role bonus for this ship allowing it to field 2 more drones would be awesome.

Wow... Im not reading Dev's update post correctly. Maybe because its 4am here? lol
Ignore Amarr gripe from last post. Just realised its been changed. Again, I reckon it should be more focused on laser buff, but MWD is good.

Yeh, I wrote 35m3 meaning the bandwith, not drone hold. Ill blame that on the lack of sunlight too...
I still don't understand your argument. Correct me if im wrong, but you don't need to field the required 35bw, do you? You can still use x5 lights, but you have the option to carry a second flight of potentially x2 med ewar/drp drones for anti-destroyer/slow-frig engagement? Sure, you cant replace the x2 meds because the drone hold is smaller than the bandwidth, but you're still given the option. If you decide to only use light drone, thats your choice. I don't see why the ship should be limited in bandwidth because the hold is different?


"Caldari:
Removed one high slot and launcher slot, gained one mid slot - thus layout now is 7 / 4 / 2, 7 launchers "

Well that sucks.. I was looking forwrd to having x2 groups of 4 launchers....
Hmmm........... maybe the Minmitar hull should lose a launcher after all........


EDIT - If its just the reason that the ship lacks focus, then sure. I don't know enough to argue, especially this time of day
Lemme sleep on it and get back to ya'll o/