Like being an amaar and passing a minmatar character could result in dirty looks at each other, and possibly not so pleasantly bumping into each other when they passed.

Please refer to the original post to see my earlier response as to where we are right now.

Going to the engine room to whack on the warp drive housing to make it go faster, having a quickie with Kaylee since starship engines turn her on ... oh wait wrong universe -.-

Where we stand right now is that we have a successful idea for WiS, a detailed pre-production plan and the right people to implement it properly into EvE.
As I mentioned earlier, WiS is "shelved", not, and I re-iterate, not, completely and utterly abandoned to a dark depth that only Cthulhu could descend to.

It was being worked on in 2008 when I started. 4 years with zero playable content is an utter failure, and categorizing it as anything else is either spin or rationalization.

I genuinely appreciate the work that you and others have done on it, but the fact remains; nearly half a decade of development and nothing (playable) to show for it.

Tbh id pay -ú30 for a wis expansion becouse it would add content to my game play but i wouldnt pay for the expansions we been having in eve latly nurffs and balancing wouldnt pay for that type of expansion

i firmly belive wis with content would be major boost to ccp costumer numbers

Just to answer a couple of points:

• WoD is definitely still in development and development is split off from EVE so that they can concentrate on their game and making it awesome.

This sucks, I was hoping they'd show us something that has been in development at the 10th anniversary fanfest.

I'm just curious here, why EVE can't afford to have a team of 100 that works on longer 1 - 2 year projects that compliment the game of EVE, while the rest of the teams are on the smaller agile scrum groups. I want to get out of my captains quarters!! I want to at least decorate my quarters. Weren't we going to get new clothing options and sleeve tattoos with Retribution??? I like Retribution, but for some reason I was thinking that WiS development was continuing beneath everything else...

I'd throw down $100 if it meant actually getting finished. I like the kickstarter idea, or if CCP could release a crowd-funding wing, allowing people to contribute and vote on scoped additions to the EVE universe. This way every 6 months EVE will get its regularly-scheduled iteration "expansions", and extra funding for some of the more advanced things like walking in stations, walking in ships, celestial orbits, etc.

This sucks, I was hoping they'd show us something that has been in development at the 10th anniversary fanfest.

I'm just curious here, why EVE can't afford to have a team of 100 that works on longer 1 - 2 year projects that compliment the game of EVE, while the rest of the teams are on the smaller agile scrum groups.

If our subscriptions are enough to build a consolecrap game ,they have enough money to add WIS

But are they enough to work on both at once? And WoD? And continued development on Eve as well?

I have a 7-year old sitting next to me playing the Star Trek Online tutorial.

He's always begging me to play EVE. I set him up a trial account just so he could play a little. He absolutely loved it.

Then I downloaded STO since it was free to play. He can't get enough of it. When I asked him which he liked better his answer was Star Trek. I asked him why and his reply was that he could see his man and run around.

Having the ability to walk around different environments, be it station, ship or ground adds so much to the science fiction simulator experience.

I think you missed his point. He meant if they hadn't split their resources to work on Dust and WoD simultaneously, they could have WiS content up and running. Working on two new games was a little ambitious. I am happy for Dust, and I am happy that it's CCP working on a WoD MMO (because I am a fan of the WoD games, and If anyone had to work on it I am glad it's CCP), but even some of the biggest games companies in the world will concentrate their efforts one or two games at a time.

because when they released WiS it cost them 20% of their company.
NOT THAT HARD to figure out why they dont wanna go try again

And besides that ,the normal thing to do next was to open that door.
For Ghazu and the other barbie obsessed people ,i want meaningful gameplay within WIS.
but without opening that door ,WIS is useless.
You can cry about gameplay all you want,but the door needs to have a function.
And don,t come up with recourses,Dust has a lot of recourses directed from EvE already.

Open the door and do what?

because when they released WiS it cost them 20% of their company.
NOT THAT HARD to figure out why they dont wanna go try again

Because the last time CCP diverted everybody to one big project was Incarna, we got the infamous '18 Months' of stagnation to the core game, and at the end of the process all that appeared out of the other end was Captain's Quarters.

because when they released WiS it cost them 20% of their company.
NOT THAT HARD to figure out why they dont wanna go try again

But are they enough to work on both at once? And WoD? And continued development on Eve as well?

That had nothing to do with it.

like I said:





They werent in the past, when they had 20% more people on staff.
And most of those cuts as I remember came from White Wolf Atlanta and WoD.

I love people trying to pull off this bald faced lie lol

I love people trying to pull off this bald faced lie lol

That's a matter of opinion.

Did the fallout cost CCP dearly? Yes! That is a FACT. Arguably, we're still recovering from it.

But, did it happen because of WiS, or something else? That's where opinions differ. And you know what they say, opinions are like ***holes, everyone has one and most of them stink. I can only tell you how I felt about Incarna, and how people I know and talked to felt about it.

Me, personally, I felt (and still do) that WiS is essential for long-term EVE survival. Not even the slightest doubt in my mind about that, and this has been reinforced by the last 3 expansions. Think about it. Crucible, Inferno, Retribution. All of these were 100% FiS focused. What happened? Did we get a lot more people in the game? Nope! Still didn't beat concurrent user record set a good long while ago, and I'm guessing we still didn't reach 500k subs, or CCP would have been shouting that from the rooftops. As you can see, the FiS is "tapped out". To keep the game growing, they need a new mechanic, and that means WiS. The catch is, it has to be a *working* WiS system with actual gameplay!

And the fallout after Incarna? Personally, I was badly disappointed with Incarna patch itself. But the cash shop and the leaked internal memo was what did t. And yeah, before you ask, I did quit the game until after Crucible. But NOT because of Incarna or WiS! I quit because of the cash shop and what CCP was planning to do according to the memo. And I'll wager that this was the cause for many (most?) others as well. Incarna was disappointing, but by itself it wasn't sufficient to result in such a meltdown.

So, bald faced lie? Not quite. Just a difference of opinion. Though the universal consensus seems to be that Incarna as a whole was just badly botched. A series of poor judgment calls resulting in an ultimate SNAFU. Starting with scrapping all that working stuff they showed and starting fresh with creating a new engine. I understand that at the time it probably seemed like a good choice to them, but they just bit off more than they could chew and it took them a while to admit it even to themselves.

Though arguably they didn't learn from it at all, because right now they're fighting a 3-front war: maintaining EVE, trying to get Dust not to blow and keeping WoD from becoming total vaporware. Meanwhile, all but the biggest companies never spread their resources over so many fronts. But whether this was another SNAFU we won't know until we see the Dust launch and what happens in the months following that.

a 3-front war: maintaining EVE, trying to get Dust not to blow and keeping WoD from becoming total vaporware. Meanwhile, all but the biggest companies never spread their resources over so many fronts.