No loot = no reason to go to the plex. The CSM in this thread has pointed out why. I would like to add that this would turn the plex into another beacon on the overview like the static npc beacon Golgothan Fields in Ennur and the static npc beacon in Atlar. When you visit these beacons once or twice there is nothing to keep a person interested in going back. Reintroducing the static plexes as you describe without loot, turns the static plexes into another Golgothan Fields.

There are a lot of us who agree with you 100% that the farming of static plexes is a problem. We are with you on that. The farming of the plexes is bad.

There are two things that made the plex farmable that can be changed if the resources are available to make the changes.

The first, and most important, is the static timer for plex respawn. Randomize that timer to occur between 30 minutes and 2 hours after plex completion or whatever time you think would be good. A farmer will no longer be able to log on alt, kill plex, get loot, log off, and set egg timer for next spawn.

The second is the ability of a person to sit in the last room of the plex, both uncloaked and cloaked, waiting until the plex respawns, finishing the plex, then waiting again for plex respawn. Make it so when someone is in any room of the plex, the plex wont respawn.

We understand the moving of the static plexes to the exploration system fixes both of these issues without needing to write any new code, but it brings us right back to why this thread was started in the first place.

Anyways, thanks for taking the time to look at this change again. It is appreciated.

Explanation

... during this last release we went over some of the available data to look at how the 1/10 and 2/10 plexes were serving their various purposes. Our metrics made clear that they were not living up to their primary purpose as interesting pve content, with the majority of the completions performed by the same small group of experienced players, some of which were clearly farming the content...

Another intriguing idea that this question leads to, however, is the possiblity of a type of plex variable that actually flags individuals as suspects upon entering.

Our metrics made clear that they were not living up to their primary purpose as interesting pve content

"Hey guys, instead of making our lowsec/anysec PvE content more interesting as it seems people would rather fight at these sites than run them, how about we just remove them? That way we don't have to do any work..."

Is what this sounds like.

Like someone already mentioned, to eliminate all farming and some of the biggest culprits, remove mining and missions... And moon minerals... Or, create PvE content that's not easily farmed by using suggestions from players, some quite good ones in this here thread.

Now I understand y'all have a tough job and everything, and we are a bunch of whiny players, but really, it didn't even get mentioned other than in the patch notes, so how come it was such a big issue if y'all didn't even care enough to mention it, even in passing?

Meh.

Now I understand y'all have a tough job and everything, and we are a bunch of whiny players, but really, it didn't even get mentioned other than in the patch notes, so how come it was such a big issue if y'all didn't even care enough to mention it, even in passing?

Meh.

"Hey guys, instead of making our lowsec/anysec PvE content more interesting as it seems people would rather fight at these sites than run them, how about we just remove them? That way we don't have to do any work..."


Now I understand y'all have a tough job and everything, and we are a bunch of whiny players, but really, it didn't even get mentioned other than in the patch notes, so how come it was such a big issue if y'all didn't even care enough to mention it, even in passing?

Meh.

I'd like to reiterate my point of favoring these complexes as a low skill pilot.

The biggest reason they were exciting is because I could get away with pirate's treasure. It's mathematically stupid to think that I can take out a dramiel without having T2 any type of offenses, especially versus some of these good frigate pilots. These complexes gave me something to actually get! My mainstay has been PVE, absolutely no question. I came to these complexes for the gold, and I got gold and pirates. I felt like I had never run into a 'botter', ever. Regardless of being an absolutely dreadful pvp'er I could still win by getting away with the gold (read: compete with characters that have 20 times my skill points).

I think the most influential point in this thread is that we simply want the complexes.

Hi, my name's Hampton, and I am a carebear.

I dabbled in pvp nearly 100% unsuccessfully, but I dabble. I started because of these complexes; hearing about a 55m drop, I naturally checked it out. With sub 1 million skill points I was about to make a small fortune.. and meet pirates. I'm in no way a fast reflex, preemptive decision maker type of gamer required to be good at pvp in EVE.
I did make a small fortune, and I did get blown up. I also survived long enough to see another pirate kill my pirate. I fully support these exciting static plexes. I was deeply saddened when I checked the DED map to see they were all gone. Now I'm looking back into AFK mining since it's not exciting for my low SP character to try to PVP (read: go into lowsec) with nearly zero reward. Are there opportunities as a low SP player in lowsec? Sure, but I don't know about them. Something simple as an onboard scanner made me a part of a community for awhile, and now I have no reason to be. I also have no reason to stop my mining barge 5

I don't have time to find a niche lucrative business in lowsec as a carebear or casual player.

Please bring back the complexes and I will continue getting blown up

Thanks for the candid explanation but I didn't start playing eve for the interesting pve content. I'll just keep high sec ganking till the isk runs out and bail now. o/


My advice would be to stop trying to make shooting red plus signs and rocks interesting. As far as adding arenas, I think they should come right along with dance emotes for the CQ dolls.

Bye bye Turgey

Can I haz your stuff?

I really dont get what CCP gains from making PVP less accessible to new players, nerfing one of the few income sources in lowsec and annihilating one of the largest small gang and solo pvp communities.

So who's the bad developer that championed this extremely poor change?...