tbh, i had no idea that these plexes even existed in highsec. Those I have no problems with converting to exploration sites, but again, the lowsec sites are pvp areas more than pve.

I support OP. Where will I lose ships if you take our 2/10 Heild plex away? Do I really have to post sad ponies to make you change your mind?

He'll do it, i swear ,i seen him. And just take the 1/10 and 2/10 out of high sec, leave the ones in low alone.

From patch notes:
1/10 and 2/10 static DED complexes have been moved to the exploration system

The static frigate plexes are currently a wonderful place that draws people in for pvp. Please dont change them to the exploration system. Making them no longer static will kill systems like heild, which pretty much has frigates fighting 23/7 on the frigate plex. Right now, in many systems, the frigate plexes are a pvp hotspot. We have enough pve content in the game, there is no need to make the frigate plexes pure pve.

If you want to change something about the plexes, how about equalizing the spawn timers between different factions?

Moving all such DED sites to the exploration system has been asked since forever. They're mainly meant to be content for explorers, so it's only natural they use the mechanic designed specifically for this profession. If you feel there should be sites for PvP, ask such sites or use the FW complexes, that are specifically designed for PvP.

I support keeping them as they are.

I'd also like to understand how it is that a change like this is showing up in the patch notes just a few days before the release. Where is the dev blog? Where was the consultation?[/b]

Paging the CSM.......

Supported.

This change makes no sense and hurts the quality of an already struggling low-sec environment.

This is making me angry and you wouldn't like me when I'm angry!

ok then, taking away the plexes seems to be inevitable, so now in my boredom 10 miners will die everyday till this is fixed.

Oh no, not the miners... Heaven forbid the miners get hurt...

How about some info, some hints, Dev blogs, something before such a major change has to be done.

Where are the CSM Comments? Where is the public discourse?

Have you learned nothing from Jita burning?



Get people in Low Sec, not bore them to death.




GET A CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I actually find this sort of amusing. Many times it has been suggested that there should be combat arenas in Eve, areas protected by gates that filter by ship type and allow for free combat within. Every time its suggested the cry goes out:

"NO!!!!!! It will kill PvP and Eve will turn into WoW and die!"

Now it turns out that PvE content is being re-purposed for these exact arenas, and its removal is causing complaints!

+1 for areas allowing for frig only or cruiser and below only combat. Either the DED complexes, or just an empty area protected by a gate.

To often people suggest arenas as single instances where honorable 1v1 PvP can not be visited by a third party. That is what people are against. Then they add in score boards and suddenly arena fighting is a thing.

Also the plexs do provide income in low sec but they are not camped like the high sec ones. Only a few systems away from Heild there is a 2/10 static in a high sec pocket that always has a random camped in it. End that not this.

These static 2/2 plexes are much fun and they attract a lot of PVP. Please don't remove them. If you really want to do something good, then make it so that they can't be farmed that easily. For example: the final room should only be accessible once per character and day.

I can say I was aware of the impending change somewhere around 3-4 weeks ago when I swapped over to Buckingham to play around with a Corax... I found the static complexes were gone and broke out probes to look for something to try out the new dessy. What I found were the same complexes, just scanned instead. I do agree with the idea that they needed to cast off their moorings and join the rest of the rated complexes.

However

I also agree that in places they were draws for people to visit and helped keep local economies (and pvp) thriving in a semi-controlled environment. I suspect CCP isn't going to budge on the move, but I challenge them to come up with something to replace it. I personally liked the idea that in order to claim loot from a static complex you have to capture and hold it for a length of time. Perhaps have the loot come up as random from any faction at a set estimated value (approximate) say for a replacement 1/10 equivalent have the loot table pull 25-40 million in est. value items to place in the can and let everyone who comes duke it out.



As for why, definately the farmers, especially when most of the farmers I saw while burning away the 30+ keys I had sitting around from when I used to run them were trial accounts or just past trial. (read: isk farms) The only one that didn't get farmed was the minmatar contracted bio-farm (1/10) simply because it has been broken for more than 4 years and drops nothing.

Good thing i farmed the **** out them. Can't wait to see c/b types prices skyrocket.

Supported. CCP, please bring back static plexes to lowsec. Seyllin will never be the same

If they do get replaced into lowsec, I should hope they get left in the exploration setup as well.

As for finding them now, they're in the spawn pool for the region and can show up anywhere, usually sites will collect in unused or low traffic systems for hours or even days at a time.

Thanks CCP for listening to our concerns, explaining the reason behind this change, and letting us what you intend to give us as a losec replacement and source of fun/isk for frigate pilots. Thank you for understanding that the miniscule amounts of isk generated by static 1/10 and 2/10 plexes is a drop in the bucket compared to that generated by alt FW isk farmers in weaponless stabbed merlins, and that entire communities have evolved around them.

Oh, wait, never mind. You didnt.

They are highsec only now....

The previous system allowed people to camp until someone else came along - then a fight would occur.

during the 23.5 hrs the server is up this would result in overseers all day and killmails once / twice a day at prime time. IMO

Bearing in mind that another critical holding point for CQ's expansive WiS strategy revolves around groups of people trapped in a room all day talking; Is it really worthwhile having one PvP room where people can be, essentially isolated away from the main playerbase, waiting for a fight?

I vote for static landmarks without faction spawns but bounties are available.

I think you've entirely missed the point of this entire thread there............Certainly in Hield the plex was used mostly as a permanently on overview easily scannable place to go for a fight with the mechanics allowing people to have a little more control over who fought what & where.

Usually the fights take place on the acceleration gate rather than inside the plex itself and certainly if someone was 'camping' it all day farming the spawns they would get interrupted WAY more than once or twice a day and so wouldn't have much luck in their farming.....

The statics are still as profitable and are now scannable and no longer static. You'll find the odd 400-800mil plex scanning in low-sec all day.

The statics are still as profitable and are now scannable and no longer static. You'll find the odd 400-800mil plex scanning in low-sec all day.

Removing the static plex from lowsec is a poor game design decision
Waiting too long to acknowledge your customer's concerns is a poor business decision.
CCP, the appropriate move at this point is to chime in with "we hear your issues and are considering options"

Sounds awesome now people will have even less reason to visit low sec, and I can ship spin without being bothered by those pesky kids on my lawn.

Good job ccp, continue on your quest to make low sec pvp a one dimensional sandbox.

May I suggest for your next move be to limit all low sec pvp to faction warfare and then have that only be able to occur inside FW plexes and only then if both partys agree to it.

Can't wait to see your next bit of changes

Sincerely
Dong Orson.

Welp...it is preety obvius we wont be getting a response. CCP simply does not want to take this disscussion regarding this, due to fear of potential backlash of the response or just favours the "ignore it and it will go away" approach :/

I honestly expected more from such a player interactive company as CCP, i mean a single response saying aye or nay would have been something atleast -¿.-¿

Honestly I don't think we will see any kind of dev's response here. If they wanted to respond they would do it already. Quite a few other threads from this forum got blue badges and they are about, well let's say not very heavy stuff. Judging from reactions of exploration people not only here but also in Missions & Complexes forum thread general crowd really sees no difference between plexes permacamped and farmed in highsec and use of them in lowsec. And I think devs are same kind full of blissful ignorance.

The 1/10 and 2/10 sites should have been made to despawn and not respawn if a room were occupied. They should also have been made to respawn in random places within the system.

Quote from another thread, very relevant to this one getting more attention:



This.

Make them respawn constellation-wise, so having an HQ in the area still makes sense.

More travelling through gates, be it the frigs themselves or w/e people decide to bring in the initial room when conflicts escalate to cloaky recons and sniping T3 BCs.

Those 1/10's and 2/10's were among the few unique reasons carebears/pvp oriented players established themselves there. They in turn attracted strictly solo frig-size PVP players, which then attracted bigger stuff.

This doesnt help, its their static nature that turned them into a pvp hotspot.

Just bring them back, and forbid cloaking on the deadspace of the plex (which based on kaeda's experiments extends 100k km around the plex). "You cannot activate your cloak so close to this deadspace signature."

Replace the first and second room either with a capture beacon, or remove the 2nd room and require killing all the rats in the 1st room. Or just make it so that once opened by a key, it stays open until the plex is complete

I believe that the CSM members are currently meeting with the Devs. They have promised us in this thread to bring up the topic. I wait for their follow through in this.

Oh, and as someone who frequently used the complexes as a source of PVP, I would like to point out to others and CCP that the areas in which these complexes used to be which used to generate a lot of solo and small gang PVP has deteriorated to ghost populations with their removal. I am of course only using molden heath as my reference, but I would not doubt that there has been similar effects elsewhere in EVE.

please, just figure something out. throwing a bone to the explorers is great. just dont jack us up in the process.

-ST

+1 .

these are great sites and more rather than less would be better.

And none of us care about this, because we used it as a pvp area. Camping a probeable plex just gets bears warping to you. We want combat ships

Have you even taken a read over this thread?

Our concern has nothing to do with isk. We want combat, not PVE, and we want to fight other ships fit for combat. The static plexes were ideal because the reward for running them was high enough to attract attention, while the PVE side of it was easy enough that dedicated PVP ships could be used to run them. This together meant that these complexes were a chokepoint at which vast amounts of PVP could be found in any system in low sec that bore these valuable PVP resources.

If I was concerned about the isk I would have learned to cope with the new system since the fix CCP has come up with DOES in fact fix the camping problem that was so prevalent in high sec. However this fix has crippled some of the most vibrant small gang and solo PVP communities in the game.

[quote=Sylvous]The population seems to have evaporated overnight since there's no watering hole to drink from, so to speak.

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Bump

Getting a bit annoyed with lack of response.

Seriously?
Eleven pages and not even the courtesy of a canned reply?

...just a few words so we know your at least thinking about our concerns would help.

I certainly dared, bringing it up as often as possible with as many people as possible. I was quite clear about how many players this has upset and the PvP value that has been removed from lowsec with little explanation.

Unfortunately, what I heard in return was NOT satisfying in the least. That being said, I also didn't get a chance to speak to the developer who was working on this change in particular. (Not everyone was around). So while I heard a vague explanation for the change, I'm certainly still trying to investigate this further.

Keep up the feedback in your thread, and keep asking for communication from CCP on this matter. I will do the same. It's only fair that they come out and give an honest answer to the community's questions.

Hey guys, just dropping by to explain (as I did when Kane poked me on Twitter) that it's the start of the holiday season so a lot of developers are away or wrapping things up before they go away. Sorry that this isn't very satisfying (I can't really comment on the decision myself as I am not a designer and just got back from a long vacation myself so still getting up to speed) but I am sure someone will pick this up when they return in the New Year.

EDIT: By the way I appreciate that this thread has been going on since the 30th Nov. I don't have an answer for why it hasn't been picked up before, so let's just look forward to it getting addressed as soon as we are able to.

Thank you for saying something. We were getting close to going full Yarr from frustration over feeling fully ignored.

Thread is here to stay.

Yup, I have it bookmarked, it'll get forwarded to relevant folk when they reappear.

Yup, I have it bookmarked, it'll get forwarded to relevant folk when they reappear.

Glad to see you back from vacation... Hope it was a good one...

Thankyou for the response Goliath and Eterne.

I'll be checking this thread regularly waiting for the Dev in charge of this change to get back from holiday and come talk with us. Hopefully something constructive can come of it.

Yup, I have it bookmarked, it'll get forwarded to relevant folk when they reappear.

I'm fairly new at this, so bear with me, as I'm not grasping this at all.

* The 1-2/10 plexes are in low sec say, and start with an acc gate.
* Players find out they are good isk. are easy to do, and they generally put togheter a pve frig and go there.
* They warp there and find multiple destroyers/BC/BS and get alpha'd, ie a gatecamp.

Is the above incorrect? Cause it does not really give me a great incentive to do 2/10 ded's for isk, when I know that people that live near the ded's do in fact run them themselves and have ships that probably contain the nice shiny modules/ships that drop in those plexes to start with.

What stops people from camping 100km off the ded acc gate cloaked to just snipe ships that land on grid?

I must be missing something here, but it just seems to me like another choke point to just kill/alpha people at, rather then the "frig arena" you guys are making it out to be. I was told the same thing was happening at FW entry points where large fleets where killing anything landing on them.

I'm fairly new at this, so bear with me, as I'm not grasping this at all.

* The 1-2/10 plexes are in low sec say, and start with an acc gate.
* Players find out they are good isk. are easy to do, and they generally put togheter a pve frig and go there.
* They warp there and find multiple destroyers/BC/BS and get alpha'd, ie a gatecamp.

Is the above incorrect? Cause it does not really give me a great incentive to do 2/10 ded's for isk, when I know that people that live near the ded's do in fact run them themselves and have ships that probably contain the nice shiny modules/ships that drop in those plexes to start with.

What stops people from camping 100km off the ded acc gate cloaked to just snipe ships that land on grid?

I must be missing something here, but it just seems to me like another choke point to just kill/alpha people at, rather then the "frig arena" you guys are making it out to be. I was told the same thing was happening at FW entry points where large fleets where killing anything landing on them.