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Diablo Ex
Production N Destruction INC.
138
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Posted - 2013.01.03 23:50:00 -
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There is nothing at all wrong with the game mechanics, the problem in Nullsec is the way that Sov Holders govern. There would be more folks moving into Nullsec if the Sov Holders would simply set NRDS rules in their space. It worked before with great success, and there are many old veterans that remember that time. Just let neutrals come and go as long as they mind their own business. Not everybody wants to be enslaved to the narcissistic petty dictators who are currently in charge. Diablo Ex Machina - "I'm not here to fix your problem" |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2422
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Posted - 2013.01.03 23:54:00 -
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Sov holders govern based on the game mechanics and which policies are most effective under them.
The game mechanics make NRDS and in-house industry an unviable alliance platform, which is why all the old NRDS alliances (except CVA) are dead.
If this were not true, selection of the fittest would mean that NRDS alliances would be the rulers of 0.0. |
Cameron Cahill
Dissonance Corp Unclaimed.
167
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Posted - 2013.01.03 23:55:00 -
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NRDS does not work because nothing prevents me from rolling a 5 day cyno hero and blaping you while you rat. No one would live there due to the lack of protection while doing pve. Also why should you or anyone else enjoy the benefit of our space when you did nothing to take it and do nothing to help defend it |
Steven Seaga1
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2013.01.03 23:58:00 -
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Diablo Ex wrote:There is nothing at all wrong with the game mechanics, the problem in Nullsec is the way that Sov Holders govern. There would be more folks moving into Nullsec if the Sov Holders would simply set NRDS rules in their space. It worked before with great success, and there are many old veterans that remember that time. Just let neutrals come and go as long as they mind their own business. Not everybody wants to be enslaved to the narcissistic petty dictators who are currently in charge.
So sorry but Provi is ass end of the universe and CVA just need to be put down... 0.0 was meant to be NBSI |
Brooks Puuntai
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
994
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Posted - 2013.01.04 00:01:00 -
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There is a reason why NBSI is the norm. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2423
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Posted - 2013.01.04 00:03:00 -
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No. It is because of the space bildenbergs. |
Olleybear
I R' Carebear
162
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Posted - 2013.01.04 00:05:00 -
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Diablo Ex wrote:There would be more folks moving into Nullsec if the Sov Holders would simply set NRDS rules in their space. Here is something you may not have thought of.
Lets say someone likes your NRDS space and decides they want your space for their own group. Their group can get safely into your space without a single shot fired because of NRDS. Their group will only open fire once they are setup to do the most damage as quickly as possible. Once they are established and shooting everything that moves in your space, your group is going to have a tougher time getting them out of your space.
NRDS policy gets the people following that policy killed. This is the same no matter if its Null or Low. When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2532
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Posted - 2013.01.04 00:10:00 -
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If it ain't blue, shoot it. Corpmates are green and fleet members are purple...
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Cameron Cahill
Dissonance Corp Unclaimed.
169
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Posted - 2013.01.04 00:12:00 -
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Corpies are green, allies are blue. If he's orange, red or neutral, He's here to kill you. :) |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3254
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Posted - 2013.01.04 00:19:00 -
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There is a reason borders exist. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
348
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Posted - 2013.01.04 00:23:00 -
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NRDS, only works if your space is such rubbish that nobody wants it to begin with. Example: CVA, had Providence for a long time till Dominion came along and made the anoms that spawned with upgraded space the same no mater the sec status. They then were promptly kicked out, untill CCP redid the anoms to follow sec status, and CVA retook Providence, because the space ceased to be "worth it" to hold onto. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2532
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Posted - 2013.01.04 00:28:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:NRDS, only works if your space is such rubbish that nobody wants it to begin with. Example: CVA, had Providence for a long time till Dominion came along and made the anoms that spawned with upgraded space the same no mater the sec status. They then were promptly kicked out, untill CCP redid the anoms to follow sec status, and CVA retook Providence, because the space ceased to be "worth it" to hold onto.
Eh, IIRC the primary motivator for them getting booted from their space was them making some ******** political decisions. Everyone likes CVA holding space because it's a good way to keep your PVPers entertained.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Flair Tachyon
PILSGESCHWADER Monkey Circus
7
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Posted - 2013.01.04 00:30:00 -
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As others have pointed out letting neutrals come visit your space is a security risk. To keep your space safe enough you would have to keep people on patrol duty/standby to quickly respond to any transgressions. Since those people can-¦t effectivly do anything else in that time this costs ISK/fun in missed opputunitys.
The current game mechanics offer no benefits to a country with open borders/tourism friendly policies. You can-¦t tax neutrals in your space, so anyone coming by to go peacefully ratting blocks ratting space your people could use without contributing to the sovholder.
That would leave repairs/refining/docking taxes at open stations. Or whatever "trade" the visitors bring. Wich under current mechanics is not really much.
So in short; current mechanics make visitors pure risk without ballancing rewards |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
348
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Posted - 2013.01.04 00:50:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Eh, IIRC the primary motivator for them getting booted from their space was them making some ******** political decisions. Everyone likes CVA holding space because it's a good way to keep your PVPers entertained.
-Liang From what I remember, the bad political desisions would have been seen as CVA being terrible roleplaying scrubs, and maybe a little more roaming attention being paid to them. With Dominion poping up Havens and Sanctums in every system at the time, it suddenly became worth it to kick them out and use the space to farm anoms, rather than deal with a minor nuisance. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Yusef Yeasef Yosef
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
142
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Posted - 2013.01.04 01:07:00 -
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Cameron Cahill wrote:NRDS does not work because nothing prevents me from rolling a 5 day cyno hero and blaping you while you rat there, like awoxing but with no effort. No one would live there due to the lack of protection while doing pve.
Also why should you or anyone else enjoy the benefit of our space when you did nothing to take it and do nothing to help defend it.
Easy way to make NRDS the way to go would be to allow the Sov holder collect a 10-20% tax on all bounties claimed in the areas controlled by them regardless of who killed the rat. The more Neuts they have rattin in their space, the more income they get.
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Bump Truck
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
255
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Posted - 2013.01.04 01:14:00 -
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Diablo Ex wrote:There is nothing at all wrong with the game mechanics, the problem in Nullsec is the way that Sov Holders govern. There would be more folks moving into Nullsec if the Sov Holders would simply set NRDS rules in their space. It worked before with great success, and there are many old veterans that remember that time. Just let neutrals come and go as long as they mind their own business. Not everybody wants to be enslaved to the narcissistic petty dictators who are currently in charge.
NRDS makes money for you if there is some value in developing an industrial base in your space.
If you need traders, miners, manufacturers then NRDS would be great, if you could tax people to use your stations you could pay your PVP guys just to hang around policing everything, it would be amazing, continual PVP, loads of cool PVE industrial content, it would be great for the game.
Unfortunately anyone who makes an industrial base in null is mad and will be smashed by those who import from HighSec.
NRDS is just an unneccesary risk when the only thing in your space is ratting and super-cap production.
Fixing null industry will make NRDS viable again, now it's not.
If you would like to test this please feel free to take some space and open it up. I hear the south east is the place for that at the moment. Good luck. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2425
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Posted - 2013.01.04 01:18:00 -
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yeah come on down NRDS'll float down here everything floats down here... |
Zack Korth
The Deneveh Collective
174
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Posted - 2013.01.04 01:55:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:No. It is because of the space bildenbergs.
miss-spelled but still one of the best posts i've ever seen in gd |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
586
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Posted - 2013.01.04 01:57:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:From what I remember, the bad political desisions would have been seen as CVA being terrible roleplaying scrubs, and maybe a little more roaming attention being paid to them. With Dominion poping up Havens and Sanctums in every system at the time, it suddenly became worth it to kick them out and use the space to farm anoms, rather than deal with a minor nuisance. You could not be more hilariously far from the truth... Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD
Also, your boobs :o --áCCP Eterne, 2012.11.05 14:50 |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2270
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Posted - 2013.01.04 02:03:00 -
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Diablo Ex wrote:great success
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
Guess Who's Back. -á Back Again. |
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Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
277
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Posted - 2013.01.04 02:14:00 -
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There's a tipping point where you get players who play to win at any cost, biting, scratching, beating anything in their way, in otherwords saturated with predator's, this is where we are at, they've chased all the sheeple away, but now since there's no sheep to feed on the predators feed on one another carving out their hunting grounds.
But it's reached a point that now battle lines are drawn and no predator with the mind set of survival will give up anything in fears of being weak.
Ever wonder why Goonswarm doesn't move on??? They've done everything that can be done defeated and rolled in hi sec at will disrupting anything they please, their corp mates are wealthy especially after that FW fiasco. Simple, fear of walking away from top dog position same as those dictators in the middle east couldn't walk away even though they could have. |
Pewty McPew
Pillage Plunder And Rape Industries
51
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Posted - 2013.01.04 02:37:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:If it ain't blue, shoot it. Corpmates are green and fleet members are purple...
-Liang
So if your color blind is it ok just to shoot everything? Makes things a whole lot simpler. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2532
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Posted - 2013.01.04 02:43:00 -
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Pewty McPew wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:If it ain't blue, shoot it. Corpmates are green and fleet members are purple...
-Liang So if your color blind is it ok just to shoot everything? Makes things a whole lot simpler.
Speaking as a fellow color blind pilot, I endorse this course of action and follow it myself.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
372
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Posted - 2013.01.04 02:43:00 -
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NRDS provides a loophole for neutral groups to invade a alliance's space easily. That is why NBSI exists: to prevent unwanted groups from entering their space that they fight and pay to keep. I Endorse this Product and/or Service EVE Online Battle Recorder When I press F1 I get ISK |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
349
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Posted - 2013.01.04 02:47:00 -
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Lykouleon wrote:Mortimer Civeri wrote:From what I remember, the bad political desisions would have been seen as CVA being terrible roleplaying scrubs, and maybe a little more roaming attention being paid to them. With Dominion poping up Havens and Sanctums in every system at the time, it suddenly became worth it to kick them out and use the space to farm anoms, rather than deal with a minor nuisance. You could not be more hilariously far from the truth... Enlighten us, oh wise one. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6226
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Posted - 2013.01.04 02:49:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:Enlighten us, oh wise one.
"Truesec, what is it?" ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. ~~~~i am god~~~~ |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6226
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Posted - 2013.01.04 02:52:00 -
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Also NRDS is a stupid policy because there is no reason why you should be able to use my space at your leisure if you do not take part in fighting for it, do not pay taxes to keep the bills paid and otherwise contribute nothing when you're killing everything but the cruisers in anomalies, mining only ABCM in grav sites and otherwise giving our members a hard time. ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. ~~~~i am god~~~~ |
Xolve
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
1305
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Posted - 2013.01.04 02:53:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Eh, IIRC the primary motivator for them getting booted from their space was them making some ******** political decisions. Everyone likes CVA holding space because it's a good way to keep your PVPers entertained.
CVA is literally the semi-more-******** IRC of the south.
Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2532
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Posted - 2013.01.04 02:53:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:Lykouleon wrote:Mortimer Civeri wrote:From what I remember, the bad political desisions would have been seen as CVA being terrible roleplaying scrubs, and maybe a little more roaming attention being paid to them. With Dominion poping up Havens and Sanctums in every system at the time, it suddenly became worth it to kick them out and use the space to farm anoms, rather than deal with a minor nuisance. You could not be more hilariously far from the truth... Enlighten us, oh wise one.
The bad political decision, IIRC, was trying to take a station from -A- while they were otherwise occupied fighting Goons. -A- took exception to the attempt and U'K helped push CVA out of Providence. IIRC -A- and U'K had some fun with it and roleplayed it up with CVA. CVA put up a good couple of fights in the beginning (and by good fight I mean massive bloodbath where U'K and -A- took no losses), but after only a few it became a tedious affair of knocking over a million stations.
-Liang
Ed: I was not involved in this campaign and could have some of the details wrong. But I'm near positive about them trying to snatch a station and getting their faces kicked in by -A- and U'K. Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
349
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Posted - 2013.01.04 03:10:00 -
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Andski wrote:Mortimer Civeri wrote:Enlighten us, oh wise one. "Truesec, what is it?" I believe, at that time, havens and sanctums spawned in fully upgraded systems despite the truesec. It was later that CCP went, "Woops, yea trusec matters now." and nerfed it.
Liang Nuren wrote:The bad political decision, IIRC, was trying to take a station from -A- while they were otherwise occupied fighting Goons. -A- took exception to the attempt and U'K helped push CVA out of Providence. IIRC -A- and U'K had some fun with it and roleplayed it up with CVA. CVA put up a good couple of fights in the beginning (and by good fight I mean massive bloodbath where U'K and -A- took no losses), but after only a few it became a tedious affair of knocking over a million stations.
You don't talk back to -A-? "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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