Just to get back on topic, having actually lived under a NRDS policy (Foundation/Great wildlands). I can tell you that it is VERY tempting to shoot neutrals. However, NPC null is probably the only place that NRDS would actually work because of itGÇÖs proximity with high sec. Some of the benefits of a NRDS policy is allowing neutrals to trade at stations, providing much needed equipment & ships at reasonable prices.

Once you start getting deeper into player control sov, NBSI is the only way to go.

Obviously, NBSI is excellent for taking and holding territory, but lacking in providing the required environment for the scale of industry you covet from other areas.

I'll say it again: our manufacturing, mission, invention, R&D, RP & trade alts already exist. They're safe in hi-sec where you can't touch them. They're making stuff and ISK for us right now.

Could you explain to me how you think they'd be less vulnerable in 0.0 than they already are in hi-sec? Because the whole reason we 0.0ers want to repatriate our economy is so that more people will be undocked and active in 0.0, and then we will have the opportunity to **** with each other more than we do now. And so will you! It's a party that you're invited to!

it is quite obvious that a small number of committed industrial players could easily supercede your 'single system better than region' retterick.

You refuse to see the error in your thinking.

I know like most Vets know, being in a Null Alliance translates to being a foot soldier. You won't be allowed to be an Industrial mogul. You will be allowed to server them and make a bit of ISK ratting or something. Null alliances covet their Industrial contracts and keep them under the control of a very select few.

I know like most Vets know, all alliances in EVE come crashing down. When they do, that select group who control them walk away with untold fortunes and the foot soldiers head back to high sec wondering how they are no better off than they were when they started, Wondering why they were never allowed in the door.

Its a pyramid scam. It worked for 10 years. Let it go.

I know like most Vets know, being in a Null Alliance translates to being a foot soldier. You won't be allowed to be an Industrial mogul. You will be allowed to server them and make a bit of ISK ratting or something. Null alliances covet their Industrial contracts and keep them under the control of a very select few.

I know like most Vets know, all alliances in EVE come crashing down. When they do, that select group who control them walk away with untold fortunes and the foot soldiers head back to high sec wondering how they are no better off than they were when they started, Wondering why they were never allowed in the door.

Its a pyramid scam. It worked for 10 years. Let it go.

No. You assume.

If anything the alliance contract fitted ships keep the price down because the "moduls" can get so many of them fitted and in the market before people like Boat get us welped.

Importers soon learn you can't sell for much more than that since there's a massive supply - all brought in from your friendly Jita to VFK jump freighter, of course.

Null is NOT being supplied by Jita markets.

Completely and utterly wrong.

I watch Jita Markets.

Null is NOT being supplied by Jita markets. Jita Markets are being supplied by Null.

If Null stopped feeding Jita it would turn in to a flee market. I don't think you are asking to control your own Alliance and their ability to fleet. I think you are asking to project your control on to High Sec and dictate what they will fly, how much it will cost and when they will get it by controlling Industry.

You want control of EVE. CCP won't give it to you. I see why.

What the hell are you even talking about? How do you imagine what you describe working? Spell it out for me, because what you're saying bears no relationship to my experience.

I'm not wrong, that's why you won't let it go.

You have an ulterior motive and it's as plain as the nose on your face.

I assume you have some evidence of that, then, since I, personally, have probably imported 300-500 ships from Jita into VFK, along with the modules and ammo for them.


Why yes, yes I do. The ulterior motive is to get CCP to improve industry in nullsec.

25 pages in and you're still feeding each other. Never let it be said that EveO doesn't love it's trolls.

No way, nullsec is a harsh and cold wasteland were dogs and bears like us fight for no good reason. Highsec is where the ~tea and scones~ are. As well as all the dosh.

Fact
EVE is an MMO that have a lot of people in it.

Fact
People never change

Fact
When people become this adversarial they are hiding something.

Fact
People always have a motive.

9 dreads per station at a time is plenty. Build more Amarr Outposts

What about cap components? Subcaps? Modules? Ammo? T2 components? POS fuel? Drones? Fighters? Fighter bombers?

Shield boosters, ballistic controls, nanofibres, missile launchers, tracking computers, nagas, cyno frigates, cyno generators, shield extenders, rokhs, apocs, abaddons, taloss, oracles, noctises, iteron Vs, Badger IIs....

station components, POS towers, POS mods

I assume you mean "rhetoric"?

Once again, this is far from obvious. Can you explain how, exactly, those "committed industrial players" could overcome the incredible hard-coded structural advantages that industrialists in hi-sec get?

Is it that you simply don't believe us when we illustrate the magnitude of the imbalance here? I assure that that the "one hi-sec system has more slots than an entire well-developed 0.0 region" line is nothing but the literal truth. You are invited to investigate the numbers for yourself. No need to rely on "rhetoric". Run the numbers yourself and prove it to your own satisfaction.