When the facilities in sov 0.0 are already so restricted . . .

When was the last time you successfully counter-dropped a BLOPs gang ganking a ratter?

So now NRDS is assume all neutrals are hostile but don't do anything about them? Why should someone allow neutrals free run of their space AND insist that friendlies dock up to get out of the neutrals way?

If you're going to assume all neutrals are hostile, why not just be NBSI?

You're suggesting that we stop doing that and that we stop all economic activity . . .

Let me tell you what that paragraph tells me.
You don't know how a worthwhile mining OP operates.
You don't know how Cloaking works, and how long it takes for a stealth bomber to point something.
You don't know what "align time" is.
You don't know what a "dictor bubble" is.
You think that a Hulk's drones are an effective defense against Titans.

Entitled, you say?

Build more.

Build more.

When is the last time you tried?

NRDS is about NOT making assumptions, like that every neutral is hostile AND that everyone who acts friendly actually is.
No one said to allow neutrals "free run" of space. Some of us are only suggesting not shooting first, asking questions second, but, rather, asking questions first, and shooting second.
No one insisted anyone dock up. I, personally, only suggested that you shouldn't fly your CNR around like an idiot when someone you don't know is in system. When neutrals are in system, you just have to do things a little differently.

Show me where I suggested that. Not where YOU ASSUMED that was what I was saying. Where I actually said that. You seem to have a problem about making assumptions.

Worthwhile mining op? Like the one on that battle (I use the term loosely.) report?
Why would he cloak? He was . . . part of the op?
You don't know what the term "bug out" is. They should have done that, but they just sat there in shock, instead.
Interdictor? You mean those flimsy little destroyer class ships that die to scout drones? Too bad the miners didn't have any . . . deployed.
Yeah, you can see that those Titans were doing massive DPS. If only the miners had something to counter those pesky titans, they might have had a chance.

Entitled, you say?

Build more.

NRDS is about NOT making assumptions, like that every neutral is hostile AND that everyone who acts friendly actually is.

Show me where I suggested that. Not where YOU ASSUMED that was what I was saying. Where I actually said that. You seem to have a problem about making assumptions.

Build more.

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I find it funny that he's saying we should build more infrastructure and provide access to infrastructure that we've spent years building to those who have not and will not do anything to actually deserve access to trillions of ISK and countless man hours worth of infrastructure.

When was the last time you successfully counter-dropped a BLOPs gang ganking a ratter?

Trust me, an organized group of pilots can obliterate a BLOPs drop....

I can also post success counter hotdrops too.... It requires planning and effort on your part... which I understand that most people don't want to bother with because there isn't a "guarentee" of a good outcome.

P.S. NRDS vs NBSI is irrelevant when we're Red to all of Nullsec!!!!!!

Why do you feel entitled to the use of someone else's stuff. Stuff that they worked for and that they keep safe?

outpost=industry

Wait... you don't realize there's a hard limit of one Outpost per system, do you.

I asked first. How do you propose to kill a bunch of ships that are cloaked in safe spots? Do you have any experience at all with the mechanics we're talking about?

How do you propose to keep your ratting ship safe with a neutral in system?

What questions do you think would be effective in determining the actual intent of the neutral?

You still don't know what the term "align time" is. Hint, it's longer than the time it takes for the Sabres to jump in and bubble up.
You do know that the bubble remains up after they die, right? And no dictor pilot worth anything will die to that small number of drones.
So, in the end, you're proposing that Alliances be NRDS so that they can keep fleets of Titans on standby to counter the Titan Drops that being NRDS invites.

You bully people out of space and **** on a tree in the middle of the system. I wouldn't call that "working for and keeping safe". What are you keeping safe? The rats? The asteroids?

I didn't actually know that. It doesn't actually matter. And, even if it did, take a look at a map of null and tell me how much potential there still is for increasing industrial capacity there.

I don't propose you kill a bunch of cloaked ships in safes. It's damn near impossible. It is quite possible, howerever, to kill one or two of them at the infiltration point, prevent them from killing any or at least ALL of your ships, and to hinder their exfiltration and maybe even scan it down and kill the offending blackops. (Unlikely, I admit.)

I don't propose to keep ratting ships safe with a neutral in system. They're ratting ships. I, personally, write most ships off before I undock them (pod, too), but that doesn't mean they can't serve their purpose before they explode.

I think wondering what someone was doing (and finding out) and understanding why they are doing it is a good start to understanding whether someone has hostile intentions and understanding how to prevent them from fulfilling those hostile intentions.

Are you still hung up on the concept of force dispersion? It basically means that you don't keep all your eggs in one basket. That way, when someone drops a bubble, there's only 1 or 2 of you in it instead of your whole, poorly defended fleet of expensive mining vessels. And, a couple of sets of drones (mediums might be too big) will pop an interdictor if he wants to stick around. They'll certainly give him something to think about and focus on besides blowing up your Hulk. If nothing else, they might buy you the precious extra seconds you need to clear the bubble, for the bubble to expire, for reinforcements to arrive, for . . . something to go right.

In the end, it is not the policies of the group occupying a space that determines whether things like Titan drops happen. It is whether or not such things go off successfully. Remember. You can walk into any bank and do business peacefully, not because they kill everyone coming through the door, but because of the principle the wise Thunderdick 7 so eloquently sums up in his bio. "you fuk on me i fuk on you motherfuka".

Disclaimer: I am not an associate of Thunderdick 7.

Just look around.... the problem is the people who live there.
In order for Civilization to progress, at one point or another folks need to start acting Civil.

You bully people out of space

I wouldn't call that "working for and keeping safe". What are you keeping safe? The rats? The asteroids?

I didn't actually know that. It doesn't actually matter. And, even if it did, take a look at a map of null and tell me how much potential there still is for increasing industrial capacity there.

I think wondering what someone was doing (and finding out) and understanding why they are doing it is a good start to understanding whether someone has hostile intentions and understanding how to prevent them from fulfilling those hostile intentions.

Oh just look at this threadnaught!
Doesn't this clearly illustrate all that is wrong with NBSI sov?
Why Nullsec is void of activity with the exception of bots and afk cloakers?
Why Nullsec alliances shed tears on this forum over how unfair Highsec is and why won't people go to Null?
Just look around.... the problem is the people who live there.
In order for Civilization to progress, at one point or another folks need to start acting Civil.

Why Nullsec is void of activity with the exception of bots and afk cloakers?
Why Nullsec alliances shed tears on this forum over how unfair Highsec is and why won't people go to Null?
Just look around.... the problem is the people who live there.
In order for Civilization to progress, at one point or another folks need to start acting Civil.

Provi has some things going for it. It is close to High Sec, it has what the average HS player is looking for in Null. It has through the hard work of CVA and her various blues built a large network of outposts. It benefits from NRDS.

How?

Provi has some things going for it. It is close to High Sec, it has what the average HS player is looking for in Null. It has through the hard work of CVA and her various blues built a large network of outposts. It benefits from NRDS.

ProviBlock exists as an NRDS entity only because Providence is not worth taking or even holding.

When the Sov Upgrade system was introduced and every system in Provi got sanctums, ProviBlock was swiftly and unceremoniously kicked from their space.

Neutral Docking fees in Provi are what makes ISK. Provi Holders use their outposts and the trust that took 10 years to gain to their benefit.

10 years and 1 trillion+ isk for a 10k docking fee
that is how CVA benefits from NRDS

Sov holders govern based on the game mechanics and which policies are most effective under them.

The game mechanics make NRDS and in-house industry an unviable alliance platform, which is why all the old NRDS alliances (except CVA) are dead.

If this were not true, selection of the fittest would mean that NRDS alliances would be the rulers of 0.0.

Then null players should stop crying about no industry in null when their play styles kill it.

Too bad there werent more like them

Then null players should stop crying about no industry in null when their play styles kill it.

How does that saying go? If your not willing to fight for something, you dont deserve to keep or have it in the first place.

There were more of them, the others just happened to live in space that NBSI alliances actually wanted and are now dead.