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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6880
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:28:00 -
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Skydell wrote:
It's like you aren't telling us something.
You mean the secret of how to manufacture stuff at a POS cheaper and more efficiently than at an NPC station?
Sorry buddy, that's a super secret secret.
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Lord Zim
2273
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:29:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Malcanis wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Skydell wrote:9 dreads per station at a time is plenty. Build more Amarr Outposts  What about cap components? Subcaps? Modules? Ammo? T2 components? POS fuel? Drones? Fighters? Fighter bombers? Shield boosters, ballistic controls, nanofibres, missile launchers, tracking computers, nagas, cyno frigates, cyno generators, shield extenders, rokhs, apocs, abaddons, taloss, oracles, noctises, iteron Vs, Badger IIs.... Small towers It's like CCP put Component assembly arrays, Ammunition assembly arrays Equipment assembly arrays In the game just to confuse us. It's like they gave you Sov fuel bonuses just to make things harder for you. It's like you aren't telling us something. Ah yes, POSes. So to fix nullsec's industrial capacity problems, we'll have to POS up every moon we can find, give everyone POS roles and let everyone steal from everyone. Great plan.
Or we could get CCP to fix the mechanical problems with nullsec and end up with a better game.
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2011/nullsec-board-for-blog_t.jpg Gee, I wonder... Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |

Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
495
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:31:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:BTW Skydell, our alliance leader is online right now. I'm chasing this up with him
[17:22:36] Malcanis > Bliss, why do you want to control what hi-sec people fly?
Is there anything you would like me to ask him for you, Skydell?
Why is it 90% of EVE content is too much trouble for your Alliance to be arsed with? Why is it you feel it is easier to game the system than play the game? Why is it Null Sec alliances before you hauled POS fuel in from high sec seeds with less complaining than you do now because your production doesn't compete with Jita? The place you pretend to hate so bad?
Why is you let your minions shitpost for 4 hrs on GD when they could be running an Industrial Ops in Null? |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6880
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:31:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Malcanis wrote:Indigo Valence wrote:it is quite obvious that a small number of committed industrial players could easily supercede your 'single system better than region' retterick. I assume you mean "rhetoric"? Once again, this is far from obvious. Can you explain how, exactly, those "committed industrial players" could overcome the incredible hard-coded structural advantages that industrialists in hi-sec get? Is it that you simply don't believe us when we illustrate the magnitude of the imbalance here? I assure that that the "one hi-sec system has more slots than an entire well-developed 0.0 region" line is nothing but the literal truth. You are invited to investigate the numbers for yourself. No need to rely on "rhetoric". Run the numbers yourself and prove it to your own satisfaction. Once again the reply off somebody who talks like they are in the last, poorest alliance in game, with everything hammering them, barely breathing above the water's surface, shouting their last agony shriek before going down.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/The_Initiative.
Here you go buddy. I know you're good at industry and economics and such, so bust out your pocket calculator, and tell me how "rich" in industrial resources we are. Are we Nonni rich, or just Caldari Prime rich?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6880
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:32:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Malcanis wrote:BTW Skydell, our alliance leader is online right now. I'm chasing this up with him
[17:22:36] Malcanis > Bliss, why do you want to control what hi-sec people fly?
Is there anything you would like me to ask him for you, Skydell? Why is it 90% of EVE content is too much trouble for your Alliance to be arsed with? Why is it you feel it is easier to game the system than play the game? Why is it Null Sec alliances before you hauled POS fuel in from high sec seeds with less complaining than you do now because your production doesn't compete with Jita? The place you pretend to hate so bad? Why is you let your minions shitpost for 4 hrs on GD when they could be running an Industrial Ops in Null?
I'll pass those questions on. I'm interested to see where you're going with this line of investigation. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6289
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:33:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I really, really wanted to stay off this thread because of course it started talking about one thing and of course it got derailed in the current mittani.com propaganda like every single other vaguely 0.0 pertinent thread, where you see the same 4-5 Goonwaffe professional forum warriors twisting every topic to suit their current agenda.
this thread doesn't stop giving, looool ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. ~~~~i am god~~~~ |

Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
495
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:35:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Skydell wrote:Malcanis wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Skydell wrote:9 dreads per station at a time is plenty. Build more Amarr Outposts  What about cap components? Subcaps? Modules? Ammo? T2 components? POS fuel? Drones? Fighters? Fighter bombers? Shield boosters, ballistic controls, nanofibres, missile launchers, tracking computers, nagas, cyno frigates, cyno generators, shield extenders, rokhs, apocs, abaddons, taloss, oracles, noctises, iteron Vs, Badger IIs.... Small towers It's like CCP put Component assembly arrays, Ammunition assembly arrays Equipment assembly arrays In the game just to confuse us. It's like they gave you Sov fuel bonuses just to make things harder for you. It's like you aren't telling us something. Ah yes, POSes. So to fix nullsec's industrial capacity problems, we'll have to POS up every moon we can find, give everyone POS roles and let everyone steal from everyone. Great plan. Or we could get CCP to fix the mechanical problems with nullsec and end up with a better game. http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2011/nullsec-board-for-blog_t.jpgGee, I wonder...
I was thinking just that. With risk comes reward, no? The reward of telling the Ice bots to sod off, the reward of knowing you have 4000 Home made Taloe, fully fitted sitting in your Outpost if someone shows up to contest you.
Not good enough though is it? You want the ISK pile.
Ulterior motives. Hmmm |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6880
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:37:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
But since I admired Malcanis 1.0 (the former independent thinker, the one with the smart Law written on the signature), I'll put a tiny grain of sand in the fat vag... table. .
So really? Really? This is what you're going to bring to the discussion: a long, poorly constructed "goonspiracy" post? Jesus V.V. that's heartbreaking.
You... you do realise that there's a pretty good chance that within the next few months I'll be involved in a blocwar with the CFC, right? That I owe them absolutely no political alleigence whatsoever? I just want to make sure that you know this. I can if I so choose say whatever I want about the CFC, goons, The Mittani, with zero comeback either from my own alliance or from the CFC?
Oh and by the way? I think we'll win that blocwar.
I really do. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6880
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:37:00 -
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Andski wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I really, really wanted to stay off this thread because of course it started talking about one thing and of course it got derailed in the current mittani.com propaganda like every single other vaguely 0.0 pertinent thread, where you see the same 4-5 Goonwaffe professional forum warriors twisting every topic to suit their current agenda. this thread doesn't stop giving, looool
He didn't mention the 0-1 professional VANIS forum warriors MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6289
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:38:00 -
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Skydell wrote:I was thinking just that. With risk comes reward, no? The reward of telling the Ice bots to sod off, the reward of knowing you have 4000 Home made Taloe, fully fitted sitting in your Outpost if someone shows up to contest you.
Not good enough though is it? You want the ISK pile.
Ulterior motives. Hmmm
lmao 4000 "home made taloe"
yes, we built 4000 Talos in the same region that had to have half of its manufacturing slots locked down to convert POS fuel stockpiles into fuel blocks
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6880
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:39:00 -
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Skydell wrote:
I was thinking just that. With risk comes reward, no? The reward of telling the Ice bots to sod off, the reward of knowing you have 4000 Home made Taloe, fully fitted sitting in your Outpost if someone shows up to contest you.
Not good enough though is it? You want the ISK pile.
Ulterior motives. Hmmm
Once again, we can trivially JF those Taloses in.
PS Talos = loserboat. Nagas ftw. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
718
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:40:00 -
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malcanis you were an independent thinker until you disagreed with vaerah
you used to be cool |

Lord Zim
2273
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:40:00 -
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Skydell wrote:I was thinking just that. With risk comes reward, no? Which rewards are you talking about, when it's still not even remotely close to competing capacity-wise or price-wise with hisec, and that's before you start factoring in lossage due to theft.
Skydell wrote:The reward of telling the Ice bots to sod off How?
Skydell wrote:the reward of knowing you have 4000 Home made Taloe, fully fitted sitting in your Outpost if someone shows up to contest you. Except while you were making those 4000 "home made taloe (whatever that is)", 3750 of them got stolen because everyone has access to them.
Skydell wrote:Not good enough though is it? You want the ISK pile.
Ulterior motives. Hmmm I make just as much in hisec, for less effort and less risk. vOv Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6880
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:43:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:malcanis you were an independent thinker until you disagreed with vaerah
you used to be cool
Only now at this late hour do I see the error of my ways MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3641
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:44:00 -
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Andski wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I really, really wanted to stay off this thread because of course it started talking about one thing and of course it got derailed in the current mittani.com propaganda like every single other vaguely 0.0 pertinent thread, where you see the same 4-5 Goonwaffe professional forum warriors twisting every topic to suit their current agenda. this thread doesn't stop giving, looool
Not surprised you did not make past the first lines. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Lord Zim
2273
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:45:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:He didn't mention the 0-1 professional VANIS forum warriors  Apparently you're not professional enough. :smith: Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3641
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:45:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Skydell wrote:I was thinking just that. With risk comes reward, no? Which rewards are you talking about, when it's still not even remotely close to competing capacity-wise or price-wise with hisec, and that's before you start factoring in lossage due to theft.
Who do I send 27k ISK to? Sounds like some alliance direly needs all the possible help or they won't make it to tomorrow. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6880
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:46:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Andski wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I really, really wanted to stay off this thread because of course it started talking about one thing and of course it got derailed in the current mittani.com propaganda like every single other vaguely 0.0 pertinent thread, where you see the same 4-5 Goonwaffe professional forum warriors twisting every topic to suit their current agenda. this thread doesn't stop giving, looool Not surprised you did not make past the first lines.
Tell us more about the great goon consipracy MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3641
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:47:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Malcanis wrote:He didn't mention the 0-1 professional VANIS forum warriors  Apparently you're not professional enough. :smith:
He just got dragged into someone else's social engineering. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3641
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:48:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Andski wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I really, really wanted to stay off this thread because of course it started talking about one thing and of course it got derailed in the current mittani.com propaganda like every single other vaguely 0.0 pertinent thread, where you see the same 4-5 Goonwaffe professional forum warriors twisting every topic to suit their current agenda. this thread doesn't stop giving, looool Not surprised you did not make past the first lines. Tell us more about the great goon consipracy
I am surprised YOU did not make past the first lines. Those were bait for the others. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Lord Zim
2273
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:48:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Who do I send 27k ISK to? Sounds like some alliance direly needs all the possible help or they won't make it to tomorrow. Send them to CCP, maybe they can start focusing more consistently on features and *gasp* finish them, instead of halfassing them and hopping on to the next shiny as they have done the last 3+ years. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6289
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:49:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Andski wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I really, really wanted to stay off this thread because of course it started talking about one thing and of course it got derailed in the current mittani.com propaganda like every single other vaguely 0.0 pertinent thread, where you see the same 4-5 Goonwaffe professional forum warriors twisting every topic to suit their current agenda. this thread doesn't stop giving, looool Not surprised you did not make past the first lines.
I don't quite understand, can you make some charts to explain? ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. ~~~~i am god~~~~ |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3641
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:51:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Who do I send 27k ISK to? Sounds like some alliance direly needs all the possible help or they won't make it to tomorrow. Send them to CCP, maybe they can start focusing more consistently on features and *gasp* finish them, instead of halfassing them and hopping on to the next shiny as they have done the last 3+ years.
Actually the last 1 year has been fruitfully spent into fixing an ounce of what should have been fixed in the last 10 years, while reducing / removing long standing useful features and implementing alternate stuff like the oh-so-needed inventory 2.0, pizza targetting AND *flawless* crimewatch! Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Lord Zim
2273
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:51:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Or would it be best if CCP first redid the sov mechanics so that there are again a lot of sov "actors" and THEN (or also together) gave the industry buffs needed to make null sec on par / better than hi sec? If I had to choose, I would say fix the sov system first, then industry, but honestly who cares, they're both needed. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3641
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:52:00 -
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Andski wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Andski wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I really, really wanted to stay off this thread because of course it started talking about one thing and of course it got derailed in the current mittani.com propaganda like every single other vaguely 0.0 pertinent thread, where you see the same 4-5 Goonwaffe professional forum warriors twisting every topic to suit their current agenda. this thread doesn't stop giving, looool Not surprised you did not make past the first lines. I don't quite understand, can you make some charts to explain?
As long as you prove you got the beginner's basics, sure! Link me an example of exhaustion BUOB and I'll start. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3641
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:55:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Or would it be best if CCP first redid the sov mechanics so that there are again a lot of sov "actors" and THEN (or also together) gave the industry buffs needed to make null sec on par / better than hi sec? If I had to choose, I would say fix the sov system first, then industry, but honestly who cares, they're both needed.
See, it's so easy. My agreement to these changes - only if doing all of them and in that order - rises from the former 75% to 100%. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Lord Zim
2273
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:55:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Who do I send 27k ISK to? Sounds like some alliance direly needs all the possible help or they won't make it to tomorrow. Send them to CCP, maybe they can start focusing more consistently on features and *gasp* finish them, instead of halfassing them and hopping on to the next shiny as they have done the last 3+ years. Actually the last 1 year has been fruitfully spent into fixing an ounce of what should have been fixed in the last 10 years, while reducing / removing long standing useful features and implementing alternate stuff like the oh-so-needed inventory 2.0, pizza targetting AND *flawless*  crimewatch! Yes, they've fixed tons of minor issues, and done something to FW. PI still sucks ****, sov warfare still sucks ****, POSes still suck, WIS is DOA and dust'll be DOA etc etc etc etc.
If CCP hadn't spent a few hundred dev years on dust, and instead had focused on EVE, EVE would've been in a completely different place today. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |

Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.01.08 18:18:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Plenty of arguments have been made by people who actually live in 0.0 Many of you don't even live in null. You're carebears, by your own admission. You do industry in high sec. You mission in high sec. You trade in high sec. You do a good portion of your logistics in high sec. Just because you're hiding behind an alt doesn't mean you're not benefiting from the very same CONCORD-enforced NRDS status you are at the same time decrying. If you were "real men", you'd go straddle your empire over some low sec systems that bordered your precious little wasteland and get the best of both worlds. Unfortunately, that would mean that many of the "speshul" mechanics (jump bridges and bubbles come to mind) that CCP put into null sec would be unavailable to you in those low sec systems, and you'd have to play semi-competently in order to succeed there, which is probably why you would rather just lobby CCP to "fix" the game so you can win at it.
Malcanis wrote:Can you explain how, exactly, those "committed industrial players" could overcome the incredible hard-coded structural advantages that industrialists in hi-sec get? High sec industrialists are limited by the supply of raw materials. With the drone loot nerf and meta 0 drops nerf, null security industrialists have a decided advantage over their high security space counterparts, and you know that. Your mission, at this point, is to further diminish their ability so that only players like you, who already have a logistical supply chain from null, can flourish. CCP headed you off, though, with the Venture, so that now there are alternative sources of higher end minerals. Next you'll be calling for that to be nerfed.
Lord Zim wrote:If CCP hadn't spent a few hundred dev years on dust, and instead had focused on EVE, EVE would've been in a completely different place today. How have YOU made EVE Online better in that time? |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2537
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Posted - 2013.01.08 18:42:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I really, really wanted to stay off this thread because of course it started talking about one thing and of course it got derailed in the current mittani.com propaganda like every single other vaguely 0.0 pertinent thread, where you see the same 4-5 Goonwaffe professional forum warriors twisting every topic to suit their current agenda.
last I checked this was my thread, care to explain how my 800 man alliance with 4 blues is ruining the game? |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6880
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Posted - 2013.01.08 18:43:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Malcanis wrote:Plenty of arguments have been made by people who actually live in 0.0 Many of you don't even live in null. You're carebears, by your own admission. You do industry in high sec. You mission in high sec. You trade in high sec. You do a good portion of your logistics in high sec. Just because you're hiding behind an alt doesn't mean you're not benefiting from the very same CONCORD-enforced NRDS status you are at the same time decrying...
Quite so. Don't you think we should be able to stop doing that.
I'll say it one more time in case you missed it the other times:
There
Aren't
Enough
Production
Slots
In
0.0
For
Us
To
Build
What
We
Need.
There just aren't enough. They're not there. It's not possible to have enough. Something needs to change.
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