I live there for months at a time. It's empty. Yeah, that's right, I trespass until my hold is full of phatloot.

Nobody except an occasional ratter in a carrier, or some mercs on the move. Once went three weeks without seeing another ship.

NPC nullsec tends to have more traffic.

See, even Herzog here managed to eke out an existence in nullsec, as some sort of vermin feeding off the detritus and waste of nullsec civilizations. Drinking deep from the proverbial 0.0 ditchwater in silence, scurrying into a hideyhole at the slightest provocation, Herzog's life is a sad, solitary one of fear and alienation. But it proves the tenacity and adaptability of the capsuleer animal, where a creature can survive, even thrive, within the sewers of Esoteria.

Just one of many wonders... of our nullsec ecosystem.

I live there for months at a time. It's empty. Yeah, that's right, I trespass until my hold is full of phatloot.

Nobody except an occasional ratter in a carrier, or some mercs on the move. Once went three weeks without seeing another ship.

NPC nullsec tends to have more traffic.

See, even Herzog here managed to eke out an existence in nullsec, as some sort of vermin feeding off the detritus and waste of nullsec civilizations. Drinking deep from the proverbial 0.0 ditchwater in silence, scurrying into a hideyhole at the slightest provocation, Herzog's life is a sad, solitary one of fear and alienation. But it proves the tenacity and adaptability of the capsuleer animal, where a creature can survive, even thrive, within the sewers of Esoteria.

Just one of many wonders... of our nullsec ecosystem.

I choked on my beer when i read this.

Why should we allow in scrubs/freeloaders who are only there to reap the reward or compete for resources.

So thats why you want to nerf Hisec.....

I like that we go through 110 page thread with the majority of people except a few who wanted no changes at all, to come to a good balance of nerfing NPC facilities in favour of Player owned structures.

And the next thread goes straight back to your nerfing Hi-sec.

WTF

It's the current meme and "program". Look at the Gospel blog for anticipations about the next, exciting news!

Well it took you until around page 85 to stop doing it yourself so...

Corpies are green, allies are blue.
If he's orange, red or neutral,
He's here to kill you. :)

Here is something you may not have thought of.

Lets say someone likes your NRDS space and decides they want your space for their own group. Their group can get safely into your space without a single shot fired because of NRDS. Their group will only open fire once they are setup to do the most damage as quickly as possible. Once they are established and shooting everything that moves in your space, your group is going to have a tougher time getting them out of your space.

NRDS policy gets the people following that policy killed. This is the same no matter if its Null or Low.

You're asking for an automated secure transaction to rent space (and become blue), and you're offering tax revenue incentives to the SOV holder to open their gates.

Diplo's have a lot of work on their plate, but giving up control over who is blue, that's not something they'll want to let go of. If any spy can pay a fee and become blue, with no API check and no interview, that's worse than NRDS.

And offering taxes to sov holders, that's the same as offering tax breaks for carebears to go into lowsec. They don't need your piddly taxes, and they don't need more people in their area, they're perfectly fine the way they are. I'd be willing to bet they'll all set the tax to 100% just to drive the point home that they don't need you there.

Everyone who uses NBSI is fine with it, and they don't need more people crowding their areas.

You know the only time I've ever seen this sentiment expressed is by whiny losers who couldn't actually hack it in null . Why on earth (or space) would we want more people in null? More people means more risk, more potential awoxers, more spies, more competition for rats and resources, it means more disruptions to our isk making activities.

Unless we're deployed I'm not comfortable in any system where the population won't fit my local window without scrolling. The whole point of taking and holding SOV the reward for sitting in all those blobs people like to whine about, grinding all those structures and suffering through Boat stories is we get a bit of space that is our own (as long as we can defend it) to exploit to improve our game experience by letting us accumulate assets that we can then use to turn around and kick someone's teeth in away from our space.

We don't want more people out here and we most certainly aren't interested in the sort of anti-social mouth breathers who can't manage the minimal social graces required to join a corporation.

You and the OP are trying to address a problem that doesn't exist. NBSI isn't the default state because the mean ole null dictators forced it on everyone. It's the default state because it's the best policy. In EVE combat, hell in combat period, the advantage generally goes to the aggressor.

NRDS gives the advantage to the outsider in that the local resident is forced to wait until the outsider takes an aggressive action before being able to react. In most cases in this game that's pretty much the end of the fight as the outsider is unlikely to take the initial aggressive action unless they are reasonably assured of success.

NBSI levels the playing field in that both parties have equal opportunity to take aggressive action first. The outsider can't just get into optimal scan your ship and then decide whether or not to fight you based on how certain they are of victory.

NBSI makes it much easier to know friend from foe, if they aren't a friend they are automatically a foe.

Personally I think there are two types of people who avoid null sec, the anti-social unlikable and those who are misinformed (or perhaps victimized by a poor alliance in the past) about what life in SOV null is all about.

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I seriously have no idea what you are on. But it must be some potent herb because your posts make zero sense.

My argument is simple. NRDS gives all the initiative and combat advantage to outsiders rather than those who live in the space, While NBSI gives the locals a even shot at shooting first. That's why NRDS is fail and will never see widespread adoption outside of a group of people who were stupid enough to think that it would be a great basis for an alliance premised on racial supremacy (CVA) in fact back in my naive newbie days when I still had some thoughts about E-Honor I had actually looked at and dismissed CVA as an option because of the cognitive dissonance of a bunch of "racists" (yeah I know role-playing) and anti-piracy.

As far as it being a baseless snipe, I disagree. The OP has the exact same mindset as those who foolishly think that nerfing highsec will somehow drive people to low/null. If you were actually familiar with my posting history you'd know that I was never one to support such foolishness. It's that mindset that thinks that you can force someone to do something they find unpleasant for enjoyment.

The attitude that if one can't "hack it" at something in the game, that if others somehow manage to do something they can't then the game should be changed to accommodate their inadequacies. Be it the low sec gate camper crying because his fail crew couldn't kill a freighter in less than the minute it took it to despawn after the pilot discoed on a gate jump or the pirate crying about how level-4s should be moved to low sec so they could get access to those shinny mission ships (as if people would be taking their blinged out mission boats into low sec to get ganked) or the "small fleet" elite PVPer crying about blobs and NAPs/NIPs because he can only find fleets bigger than his own. The common thread is someone who is asking for a solution to a problem that doesn't actually exist. and who wants a special accommodation to make their own lives easier in by making someone else's more difficult.

You are trying to make this into a Null vs Highsec thread, but it's not. It's a smart people who understand the game and how it works vs whiny dimwits who can't figure out how to work within the existing system.

We haven't said so because that's obviously for CCP to determine. But if you're suggesting that highsec IS balanced after all you've got a bit of explaining to do.

There is nothing at all wrong with the game mechanics, the problem in Nullsec is the way that Sov Holders govern. There would be more folks moving into Nullsec if the Sov Holders would simply set NRDS rules in their space. It worked before with great success, and there are many old veterans that remember that time. Just let neutrals come and go as long as they mind their own business. Not everybody wants to be enslaved to the narcissistic petty dictators who are currently in charge.

Wouldn't that also be a job for CCP to do? Ultimately, we're both playing the same game after all, just some people have a stronger opinion about it is all =)

So, what, because it's "CCP's job", we should just stop pointing it out to them?

Okay. It's CCP's job, and we as players shouldn't point out where we think the squeaky wheel is.

I'm sure that'll go well, because CCP are psychic and/or good at designing their own game, because they play it so much.

where is the double standard exactly? are we also game designers of an imbalanced game?