Setting aside the classic GD propaganda style quoting you just used

PI is passive

Also you are doing the exact same thing he did. Seeing your success strictly from your wallet.

As for low and high being easier to manufacture in, the problem is what?

What? Quoting what you're responding to counts as "propaganda" now? Humour.

Irrelevant. The products it creates are still not free.

Seeing as how I'm not looking at success at all, no. I'm looking at fundamental misunderstanding of economics and the horribly fallacious argument this generates.

The problem is that it reduces the draw and usefulness of null for no good reason. It has nothing to do with member base and everything to do with mechanics: it cannot be done cheaper or be less cumbersome than in highsec -- the mechanics simply forbid it. Just because you keep miscalculating things doesn't mean that correcting you is to only look at profits. Quite the opposite: it means that not only are you overly focusing on profits; you're also doing it wrong!

Gave High Sec folks a revamped Exhumer?

I guess when you hit null the exhumer reverts to its old trashy stats.

Cry moar, ISK mongerer.

You don't want to invest the time in your space because it not ISK sensible to do so.

It already is.

Quoting me is not Propaganda.

Taking out of context, hacking out all valid points and attacking the vague points is propaganda

You don't want to invest the time in your space because it not ISK sensible to do so.

One system, located 2 jumps out of jita, can outperform a whole region in nullsec. It isn't feasible to refine and manufacture in the same station (well, it is possible, but 9 slots is a bit on the low side, when it's 18% of the equivalent station in hisec, and 1.64% of the equivalent system in hisec).

But please, do continue to harp on and on about how it's all about the isk.

Any time you guys feel it is too much of a burden to run your DotLan empire, feel free to pack it up and move to High Sec.

Any time you guys feel it is too much of a burden to run your DotLan empire, feel free to pack it up and move to High Sec.

Oh, I don't know...

Good thing that I'm not doing that then, and that I'm instead leaving out the irrelevant nonsense and keeping the (incorrect) points that you base your (equally incorrect) argument on.

So you agree then: the current industry mechanisms for sov space are as fundamentally broken as missions would be of it cost you money to run them (and that's before we even get into the utterly idiotic design of having player-run space provide less player freedom than NPC-run space). Oh, and no, sov is not an ISK faucet. Quite the opposite, in fact.

You still don't get it. You still focus on this poorly calculated notion you have of profits. It's about production capacity and capability, which is needed to have more ships to throw at the enemy, and which is so poorly developed that it is better in every single way to produce everything you can a jump or two away from Jita and then burn freighter fuel to get it to the end user, rather than to produce it locally. These ware as not made to profit from: they are made to be destroyed.

So what you're saying is that you're ok with the vast majority of space being worthless?
Would you care to one-up that? Perhaps claim that it's even good for the game that all those systems, and all the mechanics that go with them, are meaningless appendages that just sit there?

Any time you guys feel it is too much of a burden to run your DotLan empire, feel free to pack it up and move to High Sec.

would you care to go back and address any of the points I made that you and your little tribe parsed out?

That's funny, normally we hear a lot of complaints whem 0.0 visit hi-sec en masse.

Still, if that's what you really want, I'm sure we can arrange something.

would you care to go back and address any of the points I made that you and your little tribe parsed out?

That was the full quote, you know... You had no point, so one had to be divined from the nonsensical one-liner you did post.

So I ask again: is that what you're saying -- that it's good for the game that large portions of it are made useless?

while a very choice batch of people sit in stations rolling in untold trillions.

High Sec as the core and High sec as the equalizer eliminates the centralization of ISK in the manufacturing aspect of EVE.

This isn't about a better Null. This is about a better ISK pooling farm.

You know this, I know this, you know I know this so you go out of your wat to discredit me. I have come to the conclusion that CCP while they won't support me on the forums know that I am right too. Maybe they give me more credit than I deserve because I can tell you and them, I am growing tired of fighting this war on my own. I grow tired of the never ending assault on my play style or my ethic in EVE.

Funny, we do that already, in hisec.


You're so naive, it's almost cute.


But then you smoke a fat doobie and come up with this.


http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2011/nullsec-board-for-blog_t.jpg

Unless you are a shill or an RMT client.

... instead of having a bustling nullsec where non-sissies can thrive...

Here's an idea, if you suspect I'm an RMT client, petition me and see what happens.

Shill or an RMT client.

Or trained by one to win EVE.

I was under the impression that some non-sissies are thriving in null.

So, is null becoming too hard or are the thriving becoming too sissy?

PVPers are doing just fine, yes. I want our non-sissy industrialists to come back to nullsec, too.

Shill or an RMT client. Or trained by one to win EVE. You forgot, didn't read or parsed that one out a page ago.

While we see a hand full of people here on GD pumping for a better Null, if CCP give them that better Null, most of their alliances will be out doing mindless pew pew while a very choice batch of people sit in stations rolling in untold trillions.

This isn't about a better Null. This is about a better ISK pooling farm.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that nullseccers don't have highly capabable industry, trade, invention, etc alts who make us a whole bunch of ISK tyvm.

Well we do.

All we're asking is for it to be viable for us to conduct those activities in 0.0, in the space we own and fought for and invested time and effort into. We'll be making pretty much the same amount of ISK. We'll be making pretty much the same stuff. We'll be making pretty much the same ISK, too. All we need is for the facilities in sov 0.0 to be capable of being brought to the same level as they are in hi-sec, plus maybe a small increment to account for that investment and the risk factor.

What's your problem with that?

I've said it already. It's too easy for you guys to regulate the player content now. What you ask for cements status Quo. It stagnates EVE and the only purpose it serves is to put EVE at risk of being an even bigger RMT haven. I can't compete with Null sec now. What you want simply fortifies your unbreakable position as the Over Lords of EVE. That isn't good for EVE.