Newsflash: Not everybody is peaceful in a video game about spaceship violence.

CCP should indeed make it possible to elect a system to become the "new Jita" where "credited enough" (known not hostile) could act in a quasi NRDS manner but until then, it's on the alliance leaders shoulders to make it happen.

CCP should indeed make it possible to elect a system to become the "new Jita"

where "credited enough" (known not hostile) could act in a quasi NRDS manner but until then, it's on the alliance leaders shoulders to make it happen.

We're saying the balance between hisec and nullsec is off, and that it's hurting the game. You're saying that's not for us to say.

What does CCP's track record tell you when they don't bother with listening to the playerbase?

But see, when you talk about "balance", you're opening all sorts of doors because "balance" can and at the same time, does not, fit into comparing highsec and nullsec. There is a synergy for sure, but there is no definitive 50/50 or 30/70 or anything like that.

It's up to alliance leaders to embrace impractical and non-feasible policies? That's silly. Also last I checked VFK was far closer to that goal then D-GTMI.

"Impractical and non-feasible" as in "they are not willing to go beyond the hard enforced game limits and dare to meta"?

It is possible, we've chosen VFK.


ahahahahahaha no get lost

ahahahahahaha no get lost

plenty of alliance have 'dared to NRDS'. They're dead.

There isn't a synergy, there's a dependence from nullsec to hisec. Nullsec shouldn't be dependent on hisec to the extent it is today.

VFK is a nice start, but it's as small as Oursularert turnover wise, that is still too small.

Yes it should. Or don't have access to the same level of manufactured goods.

Make nullsec a place where more people live, and VFK would grow with the population.

With all the zillions some alliances have pouring off their asses they could afford paying people to act as player "Concord" and enforce neutrality in *one* system, that would quickly become a safe haven island. Coupled with CCP buffing null industry, that system would become an alternate true Jita. There are a lot of people including me who couldn't wait to ferry their goods over there, if they knew they'd not get insta-popped just for *thinking* cynoing in there.

With all the zillions some alliances have pouring off their asses they could afford paying people to act as player "Concord" and enforce neutrality in *one* system, that would quickly become a safe haven island.

With almost all of null being NBSI.. that makes things more difficult than it should... again coming back full circle to the title of the thread...

Why?

Nope, NBSI has nothing to do with why null is as empty as it is.

But that requires :effort: and thinking outside of the box and actually be collectively willing to do what it takes. Not going to happen, eh? "The sandbox FORCES US to kill everybody bar none".
What do you want to avoid it? To get some WoW forced neutral town handed to you?

What do you want to avoid it? To get some WoW forced neutral town handed to you?

Because your rationale is to say null should only fly what it could make and nothing else.

Which would drastically alter the way the game has come about over the years.

Null has always been dependant on highsec for its technology because from a populace standpoint, null is too volatile to support the development of technology.

That sounds like a huge effort and expenditure for a very uncertain reward.

That uncertainty would be compounded by allowing people to light cynos whenever they felt like it... and once again, 0.0 would be paying to compete with a service that hi-sec gets for free.

Allowing manufacturing and retail economies to thrive by buffing null industry, and making incentives not to outsource industry to highsec would have the benefits of running NRDS actually materialize. You have literally fought every step of this, ironically making you the the perfect pro-NBSI lobbyist.

So you don't think people trying to travel through null to check out and gets blown up to bits because they "might" be a spy has no reason why people avoid null?

That's correct, I don't. Look at how many chars are in nullsec alliances, look at how many are active on a day to day basis. Why do you think almost none of those chars are actually logged in and active?

1) I know it's an huge effort. So? Are you there to do the never dared before and create a real empire? That is something never done before (assuming CCP will also buff industry etc. etc. in the meanwhile). Something bold, that is the first completely player driven and wanted totally sandbox civilization, in a pure PvP location with no "safety" rules at all?
Maybe I am too optimistic and enthusiastic about it, but *that* would be worth and would be remembered through the years.


2) "Service that hi sec gets for free" is only true thinking in *today* terms. Since in order to even start believing at doing the whole project, CCP needs first to do what's needed (no need to repeat it), then the deal will be way more "equal".
If they will do the buffs then you won't HAVE to import anything special from hi sec, actually you'll have stuff that hi sec WILL have to import from you.

1) I know it's an huge effort. So? Are you there to do the never dared before and create a read empire? That is something never done before (assuming CCP will also buff industry etc. etc. in the meanwhile). Something bold, that is the first completely player driven and wanted totally sandbox civilization, in a pure PvP location with no "safety" rules at all?
Maybe I am too optimistic and enthusiastic about it, but *that* would be worth and would be remembered through the years.

2) "Service that hi sec gets for free" is only true thinking in *today* terms. Since in order to even start believing at doing the whole project, CCP needs first to do what's needed (no need to repeat it), then the deal will be way more "equal".

Are you asking in a kneejerk way or seriously asking? Because you're saying that it's correct to assume the reason people don't go into null is because they get blown up.

Why would someone want to risk to manufacture? That's insane. I think you're forgetting the people who want to be in null want it because of the combat.

Then that gets pacified

If you tell me that in order to get to X trade hub I have to go through your system and risk getting blown up to make a N% more on my haul, I'll take the less risky more stable transport profits at a potential loss. Easily.

tell me you will set your system to NRDS and set me neutral and enforce a safe passage, and deliver my goods to your corp at a profit? Be there in X jumps sir!