I was going to say I don-¦t like the new changes, but after read the gallente battleship omni-nerf I feel almost relief.

Just one question, -+are lasers going to be rebalanced? (reducing cap usage)

Welcome to the Tech 1 Battleship rebalance, fasten your seatbelts!

Armageddon:

Slot layout: 7H(-1), 4M(+1), 7L(-1); 5 turrets(-2) , 5 launchers(+5)

... And with that, the final nail was hammered into the coffin of the Dominix. May it rest in peace.

Seriously, these proposed changes will make the Dominix useless outside of specialized sniper fleets (where it will already be outclassed by gun ships like the, ahem, Apoc). The loss of the Domi's damage bonus means that it's hitting and tanking the same amount as the Geddon, but the Geddon has more utility highs with which to use its 40km neuts. Oh yeah, did you notice that? The Geddon can't be kited. Aside from the Apoc, it's the only BS for which this is true.

The Geddon also gets substantially more PG than does the Domi, and is able to fit launchers (though I'm not sure why you would want to). The only advantages the Domi has over the Geddon is the tracking bonus (which we've been over) and its extra mid, which, while it offers a little utility, in no way makes up for its astounding lack of anything worthwhile.

If you want to turn the Geddon into a drone boat, fine. I agree it needs a niche. But don't kill the Dominix in the process. It's fine how it is. Leave the damned thing alone.

Please.

Well, except khanid T2 ships there are no ships in Amarr fleet with missile bonuses (except Purifier)

No. i mean bonuses from the skills, not the possibity to fit it

God damn the amount of stupidity in this thread.

The Armageddon gets a neut RANGE bonus, while the Bhaalgorn has a neut efficiency bonus (ie The Armageddon neut from far away, the Bhaalgorn neut harder). WH dwellers will still use Bhaalgorns, and except for those guys, there aren't much use for Bhaalgorns in K-space anyway.

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So what's wrong ?

Yes, the Curse gets a hit. We know that T2 cruisers are bad and will be rebalanced after Odyssey.
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The cap usage reduction bonus isn't a bonus, it's actually a "Here, you can use your guns at the expense of one useful bonus !". Which makes cap usage reduction a burden for Amarrian ships. You got a useful bonus this time, ain't that great ?

All in all, even if some things still need to be fixed (Beams and cap usage, mostly), those changes are alright.

Don't be afraid of having to change your setups, be happy that you have new possibilities to look forward to !

As perhaps a bitter older player, whos arguably stuck in their ways after nine years of playing, I do completely agree with some of the other posts with regards to destroying the very nature of eve. It may be far too late to recover, but the tier system was perfect, its what we've all grown up with and loved.

Getting back to the core of eve, gallente were the primary drone race, caldari were all about missiles that actually worked and shields that served their purpose (because the long lost and forgotten nosferatus actually worked properly), the amarr were all about decent range compensated with reasonable dps and the apoc had the tank of a king, while the minmatar boasted a decent all round versatility that was rewarded by putting the time into training. What was wrong with this?

Get back to Exodus standards, where there was a distinct frigate < cruiser < bc < bs hierarchy.

Neuting geddons? Whats the point in the bhaalgorn? at 1/10th the price, noone will fly bhallgorns and instead now field 10 geddons instead, resulting in a collapse of logistical support across the board.

Change is good in most cases, but this seemingly over-complicated change in ships is just baffling and unneeded. Battleships work fine the way they are. Yes there is the odd anomaly, that being the baddon thats over powered (easy fix, remove some dps to ive the geddon an advantage) and the maelstrom too to give room for the pest and phoon. gallente and caldari are fine.

Applying recon style bonuses to battleships is just senseless, and should be kept for solely for the recon ships. CCP is trying to hard to balance all within Eve and it just doesn't happen that way.

The massive increase in frigate usage over the last year has showed just how the changes have affected the game, the lesson needs to be learnt. its as simple as this:

Frigate < Cruiser < Battlecruiser < Battleship < etc = hierarchy as it should be with out restriction and bulls**t complications

hierarchy as it should be with out restriction and bulls**t complications = Customizable unbalanced play style

Customizable unbalanced play style = Adventure

Adventure = Eve

Eve = fun.

Fun = Happy custom base.

And after all, aren't CCP banging on about adventure with the release of the June expansion Odyssey?


Peace.

PLEEEEEEEEEEEEASE reconsider those god awful geddon changes! We already have a long range neuting BS, why make another?

As for the whole missile argument I've gotta agree with what most have said, until you FIX the BS size missile systems what is the point in basing on ship on using them? Please dont push this geddon change in!

The Faction ships are drawn from a seperate table - their values are going to be untouched for the time being.

First, what is the long-range neuting BS ?

Second, I'm pretty sure I saw turret slots too on this Armageddon. What's forcing you to fit missile launchers ?

Why not an ewar bship? The caldari have one, and they are the paradigm of shield tankers. Amarr are the paradigm of armor tankers. It makes sense...

I think the poor person is getting the Bhaalgorn's neut/nos increase confused with range - but the problem still stands; you cannot have a ship that is 1/10th the price of the Bhaalgorn do its job better.

The second point is that it is going to be offered a split weapons system, with no bonuses to either. Fitting Lasers would be pointless, as you'll eat the cap too fast, the launchers are nigh on worthless at battleship size, hybrids are too weak/so in your face its criminal and then you have projectile weapons - which does not fit the design philosophy of the Armageddon

Let the Gallente have their drones.
Let the Caldari have their missiles.

I have my faith in Plates and Lasers.



and Ranger 1, the quotes should be the other way around

Never change a running system, baddon need more cap at least. the only thing that change is effected at the abbadon that you must grind even longer structure. maelstrom and rokh are the only ships that are overpowered. NERV ARTY and RAILS not the amarr ships...
the game is getting boring and slowly losing the attributes which is why I play it

We know that laser changes are on the board for sometime after the launch of Odessey, but per usual no time reference nor (till they have it on their desks to start going over, I presume) any idea as to what they will actually entail.

Sorry but these changes need to be rethought out. These changes makes sense PvP, but now Amarr has no real PvE ships. Until now I've used the apocalypse, but the cap was an issue already. Please rethink about this :(