I do agree with you on the new player thing and that is for sure.
but as it does not have any dps bonus before, with a battleship skill of 3, it will have almost exatly as much dps as 8 turrets.
(6*1.30=7.8).
that does not cost alot of time to train
And now it would be easier to fit larger guns as only 6 turret is available

btw if the pg is going to be increased and cap regeneratioin boosted, i am perfectly well with things like 8 turrets + no damage bonus.

but it is not going that way, at least not now.

I hit "Post" too early, please check back the the edited post. Sorry for inconvenience.
Also, relating to DPS and tank, if capacitor issues are resolved, Apocalypse could use a resistance bonus... if that would not make it a copy of the Rokh...

Ease or hard to fit is a debate of CPU and PG allocation. It's a question, but not an important one.
What is important, and is a major and common issue, is that lasers DO use TREMENDOUS amount of capacitor, compared to other weapons. For common issues, it needs some common resolutions to make things work. Yes, you can change native capacitor recharge rates, but then you'll have to factor the:
1. Reppers. With faster capacitor recharge it's easier to run double- or even triple-rep.
2. Hardeners. However small cap they are using, it's still not zero.
3. Neuting and nossing. The higher your peak cap recharge, the harder it is for your opponent to deal with your cap. Which could be seen as imbalance from some POV's.
4. Whatever I forgot, what affecting capacitor games.

Reducing lasers cap use is something I don't see to happen - for abovementioned resons (brief recount: endless ammo, instant optimal change, relatively short cooldown)

On the other hand, flat role bonus allow you to set capacitor usage of your turrets to whatever line you want it to be, and play cap games in a more even environment.

Ship balancing is not an easy game >.>

Only if you accept that the Domi is going to be 4-bonused. Which there is a very good reason for based on drones etc and that CCP seems perfectly happy with. So really that isn't an issue

I am not saying this is the best or only solution but at least it is SOME attempt to consolidate the issues of slot repetition for all 3 ships, cap usage, Tach fitting while achieving their tracking/optimal bonused platform intent.

OP updated for some slight tweaks to the Apocalypse and Armageddon. Cap stability increase for Apoc and a powergrid tweak for the armageddon.

Nobody truly snipes any more with the Apocrypha scanning system, at least not in something as sluggish as an BS.

You might consider that apparently this person has never flown an Apoc in anger, nor as part of a fleet. A tracking bonus is a huge boost to these ships in a kiting role.

Laser tracking has always been it's weak point.

Inability to track incoming tacklers and kill them fast enough to leverage their range advantage has always been the Apoc's weak point.

If a workable cap level can be arrived at, then tracking is probably the PERFECT bonus for this ship in it's attack role.

I would respectfully suggest some folks spend less time using EFT and it's bretheren, and more time actually flying the ships they are offering comment on.

Your point is just as valid as the quote. Hence we have a problem. One one hand you have fleet uses for a ship (any ship) that generally don't have to deal with cap problems too much (engagements are short, there are guardians around etc). These situations favor the tracking bonus.

On the other hand you have the traditional domain of this ship. Solo/small group PvE used mostly beginners before they move to other hulls. The removal of the cap bonus is bad here.

I can tell you as someone that does a fair bit of PvE with amarr ships that the cap bonus really made this ship (and its navy variant) distinct from the other two ships.

That second group is just as large (if not larger) than the first. This is what CCP gets for shoehorning PvP oriented changes across the entire BS line.

all attack frigs do have role bonus
and where is the role bouns for domi? I did not see any.


Gallente Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+10% Drone Damage and Drone hitpoints
+10% Drone optimal range and Drone tracking speed (replaces large hybrid turret damage)

Seeing as the Megathron and Hyperion got insane buffs on your last pass over, I think the main armor, laser boat of the Amarr should get a buff as well.

These changes would be very becoming of the Abaddon:

-2 high slots, make it 10% damage per level --> like the hyperion got.
+1 low, so 8 lows --> like the Megathron got.

Amarr is the armor race. The Abaddon is supposed to be a massive brick. If the megathron is getting an 8th low, the Abaddon needs one too.

there is no problem with taking pvp first then pve second , there are marauders entirely for pve , when they get the balance pass ,just be rdy to adress your issues

Check one of the more recent posts on the Gallente BS thread by CCP Rise, he is giving the Domi a Role Bonus: +50% Drone Control Range.

Hello Amarrian citizens

I wanted to drop a quick note to assure you that we are still here monitoring feedback. We've had several discussions about the state of the Amarr mission runner both before we released this proposal and now after we've seen some feedback. So far, we aren't convinced that changes will be necessary, but we are going to keep a close eye on it. This may be a discussion that will be more productive after these ships make it to Singularity and some actual flight testing can happen.

Please keep up the discussion

there is no problem with taking pvp first then pve second , there are marauders entirely for pve , when they get the balance pass ,just be rdy to adress your issues

Seeing as the Megathron and Hyperion got insane buffs on your last pass over, I think the main armor, laser boat of the Amarr should get a buff as well.

These changes would be very becoming of the Abaddon:

-2 high slots, make it 10% damage per level --> like the hyperion got.
+1 low, so 8 lows --> like the Megathron got.

Amarr is the armor race. The Abaddon is supposed to be a massive brick. If the megathron is getting an 8th low, the Abaddon needs one too.

Hello Amarrian citizens...

People liked the amarr battleships just fine until they saw the reworked mega/hype :/

Its like: Mmm, this is a lovely lollipop!
*sees Gallente has a slightly bigger lollipop*
WHAT?! This lollipop sucks, I WANT A BIGGER LOLLIPOP TOO! *tantrum*

Hello Amarrian citizens

I wanted to drop a quick note to assure you that we are still here monitoring feedback. We've had several discussions about the state of the Amarr mission runner both before we released this proposal and now after we've seen some feedback. So far, we aren't convinced that changes will be necessary, but we are going to keep a close eye on it. This may be a discussion that will be more productive after these ships make it to Singularity and some actual flight testing can happen.

Please keep up the discussion

TO further iterate, the Abaddon is now the brawler of choice for your changes, spoiler alert, the abaddon isn't capable of running it's guns/prop mod/armor tank. so in order to keep those things running, you have to bring carriers or a fleet of logi not to rep them necessarily, but to keep them shooting, and no one wants to engage a fleet of abaddons with an overly large gang of logi behind it.

the apox is NOT a brawling ship, it doesn't do the damage nor does it have the tank to be able to brawl, it has always been a sniping ship of sort with it's range bonus and sorch, so it's a moot point here.

The armageddon WAS the amarr's ship that was capable of fighting under it's own pretense, it didn't support the tank of the abaddon, but it also didn't suffer from the cap issues. By removing this ships roll you have reduced amarr gangs to bring more logi than is necissary to fights which will makes pilots grumpy and unhappy. (that and the new geddon design is ****)

there is no problem with taking pvp first then pve second , there are marauders entirely for pve , when they get the balance pass ,just be rdy to adress your issues

By killed I mean killed. Armageddon was already a good example of how to design an attack BS. But CCP Rise seems to accidentally decided, that "BS" means "bullshit", in this case...

Some Gallente battleships are now the ARMOR race (armor bonus/8 low slots). You are destroying the Amarr philosophy.

Hello Amarrian citizens

I wanted to drop a quick note to assure you that we are still here monitoring feedback. We've had several discussions about the state of the Amarr mission runner both before we released this proposal and now after we've seen some feedback. So far, we aren't convinced that changes will be necessary, but we are going to keep a close eye on it. This may be a discussion that will be more productive after these ships make it to Singularity and some actual flight testing can happen.

Please keep up the discussion

Hi Rise,

Since you want to give Hyperion and Mega 8 lows, can Amarr bs have 8 lows as well?

At least the geddon?

geddon
6/4/8
+10% to Drone damage and Hit Points
+10% Energy Neutralizer and Energy Vampire range, +3% nuet/nos amount

Please...