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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
61
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:11:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:We, along with many players, feel that this an exciting direction for Amarr. I would ask that you guys accept this draft as more or less set
You won't find enough morons here to get off with this idea. Leave Armageddon abd Apocalypse as laser boats. |
Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative.
510
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:26:00 -
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Tonto Auri wrote:CCP Rise wrote:We, along with many players, feel that this an exciting direction for Amarr. I would ask that you guys accept this draft as more or less set You won't find enough morons here to get off with this idea. Leave Armageddon abd Apocalypse as laser boats.
At this point, i'd deal with amarr ships being untouched and subpar for aother year or two if it means avoiding these changes.
armageddon is th only amarr BS i like to fly, heck, my old corp did geddon-gangs, we liked them. with these new changes there wont be an amarrian ship ill be able to rbing myself to fly, prolly just start fyng nightmares or switch to minmatar.
it makes me sad how the feedback from rise has just been mroe or less "we like these changes, your opinion is irrelevant". if any ship shoul have been the droneboat, if i reall the abaddon already had little built-in hangars and looks like a battlestar anyways. |
Joelleaveek
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
211
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:49:00 -
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I think i said it already in this thread, but i just don't understand why one of the Amarr 'combat' battleships HAS to become a drone ship. Since if you follow the concept of ship line you guys were talking about last year then Amarr drone ships should be EW focused. This says to me that the Amarr drone battleships should be a new hull with a drone damage bonus and a tracking disruptor bonus. I realize that the Dragoon and Prophecy don't follow this trend, but they had to do something to avoid overlap in the small and medium sizes.
I though the idea of 'ship lines' was so new players could have a visible upgrade path to larger ships, doesn't work so well when you start swapping bonus around. Now its not such a problem in the Amarr, Gallente, or Caldari battleship lineups, but it goes completely out the window in the Minmatar battleship lineup.
But i saw either tracking disruptor bonuses instead of Neuts for the Armageddon, or save the role for a new hull in the future and keep lasers on the Armageddon. |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
235
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Posted - 2013.04.12 18:26:00 -
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Fozzie, Rise, one question: with Geddon becoming a full drone boat, the same thing will happen that happened to smaller amarr drone ships - when choosing the weapon type for highs, people will choose a weapon without cap use (projectiles or missiles). In my opinion, the old Geddon with lasers and drones was a lot more distinctively Amarr boat as opposed to current "mini Baalgorn". Is there any thought on encouraging Amarr players to use lasers even on unbonused hulls such as what the Geddon is becoming? |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
63
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Posted - 2013.04.12 18:37:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:I looked across as many different environments/metrics as possible and this was a consistent theme.
I'm not afraid to tell you, what you can do with your environments and metrics, I just don't want to go through issues with ISD crew. I highly appreciate their time and work, but you are getting on my nerves.
Said that, you're looking into wrong direction. Amarr Empire IS NOT a Blood Raiders covenant. Until you digest this consideration, please don't come back and don't touch Amarr battleships.
And when you are ready to get back, keep in mind, that Armageddon and Apocalypse each have more backstory behind them, than any other BS (except Jove) can say for themselves. Speaking of Abaddon, it was added "just because of the tier", and in no position to compete. |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
243
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Posted - 2013.04.12 19:28:00 -
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I personally would rather see Abaddon take this new Drone/Neut role and remake the classics into attack/combat or w.e you call them, but I guess there would be many others who would go up in arms because of that. I guess you can't please everyone... but you can please me by doing the above! 
Seriously, classic... cmon! Don't take Mozart and turn into some punk rock music.
Looking forward to these changes coming to SiSi so we can actually test them with fire rather than play guessing games. |
Kurron
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.04.12 19:40:00 -
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Mr Hyde113 wrote:
I, along with most dedicated Amarr pilots, DID NOT WANT A 'NEW EXCITING (aka terribad) DIRECTION' FOR OUR RACE. Our direction (Lasers & Armour supplemented by drones) WAS FINE. We just wanted you to do some quality of life changes to let the ships fully complete their existing roles, not decide that Amarr is no longer Amarr.
Loudly proclaiming to be representing the majority doesn't make it so. The only concerns that I have with this re-balance center around lasers themselves needing to be changed - I suspect CCP's going to need to lower the cap use on them just a bit in general, now that they're no longer baking in a cap use reduction to every Amarr hull.
I'm greatly looking forward to taking my old Apoc and Geddon hulls out for a spin with these changes. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3939
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Posted - 2013.04.12 19:50:00 -
[1148] - Quote
Kurron wrote:Mr Hyde113 wrote:
I, along with most dedicated Amarr pilots, DID NOT WANT A 'NEW EXCITING (aka terribad) DIRECTION' FOR OUR RACE. Our direction (Lasers & Armour supplemented by drones) WAS FINE. We just wanted you to do some quality of life changes to let the ships fully complete their existing roles, not decide that Amarr is no longer Amarr.
Loudly proclaiming to be representing the majority doesn't make it so. The only concerns that I have with this re-balance center around lasers themselves needing to be changed - I suspect CCP's going to need to lower the cap use on them just a bit in general, now that they're no longer baking in a cap use reduction to every Amarr hull. I'm greatly looking forward to taking my old Apoc and Geddon hulls out for a spin with these changes.
Spot on, check the new sticky out on this forum.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3939
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Posted - 2013.04.12 19:52:00 -
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Tonto Auri wrote:CCP Rise wrote:I looked across as many different environments/metrics as possible and this was a consistent theme. I'm not afraid to tell you, what you can do with your environments and metrics, I just don't want to go through issues with ISD crew. I highly appreciate their time and work, but you are getting on my nerves. Said that, you're looking into wrong direction. Amarr Empire IS NOT a Blood Raiders covenant. Until you digest this consideration, please don't come back and don't touch Amarr battleships. And when you are ready to get back, keep in mind, that Armageddon and Apocalypse each have more backstory behind them, than any other BS (except Jove) can say for themselves. Speaking of Abaddon, it was added "just because of the tier", and in no position to compete.
At the risk of sounding harsh, you are straying deeply into "Don't confuse me with the facts" territory.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
64
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Posted - 2013.04.12 20:04:00 -
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All your "justification" could be taken down to a simple "STFU, we will make it happen". As it is, it's no more viable, than my position, as you pictured it.
I have no issues with drone Abaddon, if anything, it actually LOOKS like a drone boat. It even have launch bays. But I'm flat out against cap-sucking abomination in whatever hull it would happen - leave that atrocity to blood raiders.
Also, the proposed "oh, just use cap boosters, you'll be fine" idea simply idiotic.
P.S.
If you have something constructive to say, please do. With quotes from EVE lore, that warranting the abovementioned changes. Though, I would save you alot of time, if you just stop it and accept the clear fact, that two mainline Amarr BS should not change roles. |
Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
119
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Posted - 2013.04.12 20:07:00 -
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Ok, to prove my point about the Abaddon's cap issues. Amarr BS V, with the exception of the T2 spec skills which i have at 4, every gunnery skill on the market at V. Every single skill that in any way affects Cap, PG, CPU, and Maneuvarability at V. 2 5% cap implants in my Mission runner clone, and I still have to fit 3 T2 CCC rigs and 3 T2 cap rechargers to an abbadon to perma run it's T2 Megal Pulse and 1 Imp Nav Large Armor Repper, all tank mods are passive and not affecting cap. Now, explain to me how this does NOT prove that the Abbadon's cap issues are NOT too severe and something shouldn't be done about them? |
Cage Man
185
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Posted - 2013.04.12 20:55:00 -
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The new cheap armor tanked Rattlesnake. No idea why the phoon lost its drone bandwidth and the geddon kept its... will have less dps overall but could still work, and off course, structure bashing with no cap issues is always a good thing 
Oh PLEASE!!! CCP Fozzie Can I haz a Navy moa....... |
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
19
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Posted - 2013.04.12 21:02:00 -
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Nalha Saldana wrote:
The Omen and Apoc is in the same line because they are both Attack ships, they have increased speed and good ranged damage for their class.
Ok the tormentor have been redesigned since i last looked at it and it doesn't really fit there anymore.
Dont go blind on the bonuses themselves and rather look at how the ships are used, amarr drone boats are really good neut boats and the Geddon fills this role really nicely this way.
Maybe it should be renamed to disruption but the stats are good so thats just a name change.
Yes they are both attack ships, but they never were nor will be in the same lineup.
Apoc was an oddball that didn't have a full lineup from the start, it was a sniper ship for long to mid range engagements.
Amarr attack lineup was like this:
Executioner > Omen > Armageddon (I could be wrong about Executioner)
Citation from Rebalancing EVE, one ship at a time dev blog
"Attack vessels: Made for hit and run assault, or flanking opportunities. Have great damage and mobility, but average defense. Similar in role with cavalry. EVE examples: Armageddon, Megathron, Tempest, Oracle, Thorax, Hurricane, Dominix, Myrmidon."
Still don't believe me? Ok, here is one from Ship balancing winter update dev blog.
"Attack cruisers: Omen, Caracal, Thorax, Stabber. We want to clearly revamp these four ships to be dedicated to speed and damage. The Omen must be one of the most frustrating ships to fit so we are going to look at it. Like CCP Guard, it should be a mean miniaturized version of the Armageddon, not a public target for bad-taste midget tossing jokes."
So do tell me more how Armageddon is not from attack battleship lineup, but Apoc certainly is.
Nalha Saldana wrote:
Ok the tormentor have been redesigned since i last looked at it and it doesn't really fit there anymore.
Tormentor/Punisher > Maller > Abaddon (Apparently Tormentor is from combat lineup.)
"Tormentor: role changed from mining frigate to medium range combat vessel" source.
So when you say "redesigned since you last looked" and "doesn't really fit there anymore"
do you mean redesigned from mining frig, and where did it fit earlier? Was it a drone boat at any point in the game? Do correct me if I'm wrong.
Now to your last comment.
Nalha Saldana wrote:
Dont go blind on the bonuses themselves and rather look at how the ships are used, amarr drone boats are really good neut boats and the Geddon fills this role really nicely this way.
If I understand correctly your post, you say we need to destroy one fully functional lineup to make another one. And that new one is based on least used destroyer in the game (source).
Yeah, that is just a splendid idea!
Right now amarr ship lineup:
Combat ships lineup: Tormentor/Punisher > Maller > Abaddon (great)
Attack ships lineup: Executioner > Omen > We have No battleship here
Attack ships lineup2: None > None > Apocalypse
Support ships lineup: Crucifier > Dragoon > Arbitrator > GedDomi
CCP Rise I'm sorry but this is some weird balance shuffles you are doing. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
575
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Posted - 2013.04.12 21:05:00 -
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[quote=Pelea Ming]Ok, to prove my point about the Abaddon's cap issues..../quote]
No ship that I am aware of can be cap-stable in the manner you want, and ships are generally balanced for PvP (hopefully without breaking its PvE ability) which means a lot of sacrifices .. BS are not lone wolves and it is more than reasonable to assume that cap will be available from logistics or injectors.
Up until the release of tier3 BCs the Abaddon was the go-to hull for anything with staying power, it is almost impossible to beat a well FC'ed Abaddon/Logistics crew without swarming or hot-dropping them.
As I said in the Big'uns Lazors thread: The proposed -10% is a good start but by my reckoning it will need to at least equal a rig (-20%) to have the desired effect of not forcing the cap-bonus-less hulls to only exist in fleets complete with pure buffers and guards everywhere.
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Jezza McWaffle
EVOL Command
12
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Posted - 2013.04.12 21:09:00 -
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Why couldnt get the Geddon get 5 highs, 6 meds and 8 lows, but only 4 turret hardpoints.
And keep the original drone bay.
Have these bonuses:
+5% to range of heavy neuts per level
+5% strength to tracking disruptors and webefiers
But give it the lowest armor HP, high base speed but also a high sig to even it all out.
Discuss? |
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
Trans-Stellar Industries
9
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Posted - 2013.04.12 21:12:00 -
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Niko Lorenzio wrote:I personally would rather see Abaddon take this new Drone/Neut role and remake the classics into attack/combat or w.e you call them, but I guess there would be many others who would go up in arms because of that. I guess you can't please everyone... but you can please me by doing the above! Seriously, classic... cmon! Don't take Mozart and turn into some punk rock music. Looking forward to these changes coming to SiSi so we can actually test them with fire rather than play guessing games.
This is my exact feeling. I think the Abaddon would suit this role of drone/missile ship so much better. Simply switch the projected changes between the two and let us keep the Geddon doing what it does best .. blasting things with lots of lazers. |
Seranova Farreach
Friendship is Missles
441
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Posted - 2013.04.12 21:22:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:You better not break my bhaal.
My favourite ship in this damn game
dont worry all hell will break loose when the pirate facion ship changes come around ;) |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
575
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Posted - 2013.04.12 22:06:00 -
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Ruze wrote:This is my exact feeling. I think the Abaddon would suit this role of drone/missile ship so much better. Simply switch the projected changes between the two and let us keep the Geddon doing what it does best .. blasting things with lots of lazers.
Then I demand the Abaddon model be flatted to correspond with the Amarr drone ship style .. straight 50% ompression with resulting widening should suffice 
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Naso Aya
EVE University
Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2013.04.12 22:10:00 -
[1159] - Quote
Veshta Yoshida wrote:Ruze wrote:This is my exact feeling. I think the Abaddon would suit this role of drone/missile ship so much better. Simply switch the projected changes between the two and let us keep the Geddon doing what it does best .. blasting things with lots of lazers. Then I demand the Abaddon model be flatted to correspond with the Amarr drone ship style .. straight 50% ompression with resulting widening should suffice
Turn it sideways! |
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
Trans-Stellar Industries
10
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Posted - 2013.04.12 22:18:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:Ruze wrote:This is my exact feeling. I think the Abaddon would suit this role of drone/missile ship so much better. Simply switch the projected changes between the two and let us keep the Geddon doing what it does best .. blasting things with lots of lazers. Then I demand the Abaddon model be flatted to correspond with the Amarr drone ship style .. straight 50% ompression with resulting widening should suffice
Seriously?
Honestly?
I'm all for this. I hate the flying beer keg. |
Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
121
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Posted - 2013.04.12 22:31:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:[quote=Pelea Ming]Ok, to prove my point about the Abaddon's cap issues..../quote]
No ship that I am aware of can be cap-stable in the manner you want, and ships are generally balanced for PvP (hopefully without breaking its PvE ability) which means a lot of sacrifices .. BS are not lone wolves and it is more than reasonable to assume that cap will be available from logistics or injectors.
Up until the release of tier3 BCs the Abaddon was the go-to hull for anything with staying power, it is almost impossible to beat a well FC'ed Abaddon/Logistics crew without swarming or hot-dropping them.
As I said in the Big'uns Lazors thread: The proposed -10% is a good start but by my reckoning it will need to at least equal a rig (-20%) to have the desired effect of not forcing the cap-bonus-less hulls to only exist in fleets complete with pure buffers and guards everywhere.
And your point still doesn't "un-screw" those who want a laser boat mission runner. |
Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
121
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Posted - 2013.04.12 22:33:00 -
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As for all you people suggesting to use the Abaddon for a drone boat... at what point does a 75m3 drone bay and a 50 bandwidth ever suggest this ship was meant to be used heavily with drones? |
Meduza13
Silver Octopus
Infernal Octopus
11
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Posted - 2013.04.12 22:36:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Meduza13 wrote:CCP Rise wrote:
We really have looked at them.
I think you will find its not a very painful shift - but again, public testing will give us a better idea.
Despite answers (finally) from CCP Rise im still not impressed. gallente with 8 slots and amarr with 7 becouse its "healthiest" ? And unless im mistaken CCP Rise said they have already" looked at changes", and not they ' going to look further at changes" I dont mind changing Armageddon into something different personally - go for it CCP, something different is cool. Im totally against not changing abadon for better, and I totally hate idea of nerfing it "becouse its too powerfull" and also hate not having 8 lows on any amarr battleship, when gallente has, becouse they cry a lot. And to people who say logistics its too strong compared to local tank - ofc it is strong, becouse you have dedicated ships repping other ships, not just 1-2 local reppers. Thats the whole idea of logistics, isnt it? The point being that when logistics are involved resistance bonuses are tremendously more powerful than local repair bonuses, it scales very badly and ensure that only resistance bonuses ships are used for fleet work. So an effort is being made to bring resistance bonused ship down a bit, and we'll see local rep bonus ships being buffed... possibly by making the repair bonus also affect incoming remote repair amount (we'll have to see). I'd still like it if the option were explored to make ship bonuses either repair amount or raw armor/shield amount (like the Augoror)... reserving resistance bonuses for T2 boats. I think this would be much easier to balance over all.
Mate, i have no idea where did you get so many "likes" from, they must be all your alst, or all what you do in eve is writing on forums.
And ofc when logistics are involved resistance bonuses are tremendously (difficult word) more powerful than local rep bonuses, because as I said - there are ships dedicated to do job of 2-3 slots in case of local rep.
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Naso Aya
EVE University
Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2013.04.12 22:36:00 -
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Pelea Ming wrote:As for all you people suggesting to use the Abaddon for a drone boat... at what point does a 75m3 drone bay and a 50 bandwidth ever suggest this ship was meant to be used heavily with drones?
It's less the fact the ship was designed to carry drones, and more the fact that people really love the Lasergeddon.
If you think about it from CCP terms, it actually makes pretty good sense too, since then they can completely remove the pesky flat armor resistance bonus from the game.
The only "reason" the armageddon was chosen to be the drone boat was because it already had a 125 bandwidth. Besides that, any one of the amarr ships could have been picked, though perhaps less likely to be the abaddon given it's current roles in fleets. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Atrocitas
3311
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Posted - 2013.04.12 22:39:00 -
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Naso Aya wrote:
It's less the fact the ship was designed to carry drones, and more the fact that people really love the Lasergeddon.
The Laser Geddon is an iconic ship in Eve. They might as well have said they were deleting the Rifter, Thorax, Drake, or Hurricane. I don't mind the new Geddorn, but it's damn sure not a ******* Armageddon. And I want my ******* Armageddon back.
-Liang
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Gabriel Karade
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
83
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Posted - 2013.04.12 22:43:00 -
[1166] - Quote
Liang Nuren wrote:Naso Aya wrote:
It's less the fact the ship was designed to carry drones, and more the fact that people really love the Lasergeddon.
The Laser Geddon is an iconic ship in Eve. They might as well have said they were deleting the Rifter, Thorax, Drake, or Hurricane. I don't mind the new Geddorn, but it's damn sure not a ******* Armageddon. And I want my ******* Armageddon back. -Liang How about somewhere in-between?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2874095#post2874095
Doesn't step on Domi's toes, keeps laser bonus, still has the new Neut bonus.
Gallente MkII: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1227770
War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293 |
Mr Hyde113
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
67
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Posted - 2013.04.12 22:49:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Naso Aya wrote:
It's less the fact the ship was designed to carry drones, and more the fact that people really love the Lasergeddon.
The Laser Geddon is an iconic ship in Eve. They might as well have said they were deleting the Rifter, Thorax, Drake, or Hurricane. I don't mind the new Geddorn, but it's damn sure not a ******* Armageddon. And I want my ******* Armageddon back. -Liang
This 
I've tried explaining in multiple posts and threads to CCP Rise why we don't need these changes but it comes down to this.
Not much logic to it but Ive been playing Amarr since 2005, and i'm attached to it.
You've taken my Abaddon, my Archon ...but please, don't take my Armageddon...
leave us our one reminder of what eve used to be |
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
Trans-Stellar Industries
10
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Posted - 2013.04.12 22:51:00 -
[1168] - Quote
Pelea Ming wrote:As for all you people suggesting to use the Abaddon for a drone boat... at what point does a 75m3 drone bay and a 50 bandwidth ever suggest this ship was meant to be used heavily with drones?
Go back a measly few years. You'll find the Armageddon had **** for drones, and the Abaddon didn't exist.
I'd rather have a new ship get reworked completely, then a classic, especially when both were doing the job just fine.
I would *almost* bet that the ones pushing these changes haven't been in the EvE world that long. |
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
92
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Posted - 2013.04.12 22:59:00 -
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After reading this entire thread first let me say CCP please be careful of who's feedback you take seriously because 90% of the posts in this thread are nothing but whines and moans about change. I dont believe for one second that any change you made will be 100% accepted and it boils down to one fundamental principal: People dont like change no matter what kind it is! But I digress. I really like the changes as a whole but a few stick out that I don't get. The abaddon's resist bonus, taking away capacitor bonus and not placing anything in it's place because let's be honest here "O' lord dat capacitor!" To all the ppl complaining about these changes I urge you to have a little insight and faith. What makes you think after these changes that Bhaalgorn will not be touched up down the road to compensate for the geddon being on it's turf now? The geddon and domi still have differences that mean making a choice between the two will depend on what circumstances you are facing like any other ship out there.
I swear all the moans and complaints remind of when I was younger and my parents told me we were moving and I needed to change schools, yea I cried and complained but I was ****ing twelve. Sometimes change is good even thought it might not seem like it at first. Once again CCP I really look forward to Odyssey and that my Amarr BS's are getting some much needed love and changes however please take careful thought into what feedback you process and give something for capacitor issues we both know there be will some.
PS: Having 3 BS's that do the exact same thing was p effen boring
PSS: Congrats kil2, your doing a awesome job ;)
Oderint Dum Metuant |
Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
122
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Posted - 2013.04.12 22:59:00 -
[1170] - Quote
Mr Hyde113 wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Naso Aya wrote:
It's less the fact the ship was designed to carry drones, and more the fact that people really love the Lasergeddon.
The Laser Geddon is an iconic ship in Eve. They might as well have said they were deleting the Rifter, Thorax, Drake, or Hurricane. I don't mind the new Geddorn, but it's damn sure not a ******* Armageddon. And I want my ******* Armageddon back. -Liang This I've tried explaining in multiple posts and threads to CCP Rise why we don't need these changes but it comes down to this. Not much logic to it but Ive been playing Amarr since 2005, and i'm attached to it. You've taken my Abaddon, my Archon ...but please, don't take my Armageddon... leave us our one reminder of what eve used to be
I appreciate your honesty, Hyde, and while personally the only BS I've ever been a fan of is the Abaddon (and personally I utterly detest losing that 1% per level resist, I always loved the 'baddon because it was a beast and I realize how much that will nerf it despite all the insistence it's only a minor change :( ) I can certainly understand and emphathize with your sentiments. However, they've already flat out told us no matter how much we ***** about it, they won't back off from changing the hulls to these new themes, the most we can expect to see out of all this is some last minute tweaking if Sisi testing suggests (to their point of view) that it is needed. At least they are giving us some love to the Large Lasers in addition to these changes so that perhaps some of our worries about the cap issues might be fixed (I am reserving my opinion on that until I test for myself on Sisi though!) For those who want to read the L Laser changes thread, here it is:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=224896 |
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