Not enough.

It is clear that the Abaddon has a cap problem, not for now, for a very very long time.

When you compare Blasters with Pulses, they have way higher cap requirements:
http://puu.sh/2Eswe.png

Same when you compare Railguns with Beams:
http://puu.sh/2EsAR.png

However, when you compare the battleships hulls capacitor capacity and recharge time:
Hyperion: 7500 GJ / 1500 sec / 5 GJ/s
Abaddon: 6375 GJ / 1250 sec / 5.1 GJ/s

So, while the Hyperion, the Gallente "brawler" if you will, have guns that consume less than half the capacitor to shoot, it also has a good capacitor capacity and recharge time, capable of allowing you to have more "reasonable" fits without 5 or 6 modules / rigs dedicated to capacitor.

Another important thing, the Hyperion only uses 6 turrets, not 8 like the Abaddon or Apocalypse.

It all becomes more evident in a simple comparison. The following screenshot was taken considering:
- Duality as of Apr 21st, 2013
- Max Cap Skills
- No implants
- NAKED SHIPS, no rigs, no modules

Now check this out:
http://puu.sh/2Eua0.jpg

While the Abaddon needs more than twice the capacitor to shoot its turrets, the Hyperion has about the same recharge. The Apocalypse, given the changes in its capacitor capacity and recharge time, has a HUGE cap advantage over the other two.

With a simple cap recharge time tweak, the Abaddon would still be very vulnerable to Neuts, but at least it could use its turrets without having to compromise half of its fitting for it, exactly like the new Apocalypse.

So, my idea is: do to the Abaddon what you did to the Apocalypse after the cap bonus change. Or close to it.

If you don't want to increase the capacitor capacity, fine, but the cap recharge time must change.

My suggestion:
new Abaddon: 6500 GJ / 1000 sec recharge / 6.5 GJ/s

It is not as powerful as the Apocalypse or the Hyperion, it still doesn't have the same cap capacity, but it does have a better regen.

If that is overpowered to your understanding, although it is lower than the new Apocalypse already, then just deal with the regen time:
new Abaddon: 6375 GJ (same as today) / 1000 sec recharge 6.375 GJ/s

There, not as powerful, but extremely more helpful.

I hope it helps.

Abaddon cap is worse than hyperion

Remember the Hyperion have its bonus to armor reper. The Abaddon is designed as a fleet ship, with buffer and support.

Two questions, if you don't mind : Your numbers show that the Abaddon already have the best cap regen, and the second best cap pool of former tier3 BS. Why would it need more ?

And secondly, where did you picked these numbers ? Why not "14000 / 1000s / 14.00" for example ?

Two questions, if you don't mind : Your numbers show that the Abaddon already have the best cap regen, and the second best cap pool of former tier3 BS. Why would it need more ?

And secondly, where did you picked these numbers ? Why not "14000 / 1000s / 14.00" for example ?

You are actually caught on the idea that the Abaddon is bad. The problem is that it is a wrong idea. The Abaddon is not bad, hence, it doesn't need a buff.

Yes, capacitor is hard on amarr ships, yet, does that make them bad ? I wait for an argumented answer.

You guys are way too focused on capacitor, it's an obsession.

Cap use reduction rigs are very effective on Laser Boats. I suggest you use them if you are struggling.

Cap use reduction rigs are very effective on Laser Boats. I suggest you use them if you are struggling.

You are actually caught on the idea that the Abaddon is bad. The problem is that it is a wrong idea. The Abaddon is not bad, hence, it doesn't need a buff.

Yes, capacitor is hard on amarr ships, yet, does that make them bad ? I wait for an argumented answer.

You guys are way too focused on capacitor, it's an obsession.

You are actually caught on the idea that the Abaddon is bad. The problem is that it is a wrong idea. The Abaddon is not bad, hence, it doesn't need a buff.

Yes, capacitor is hard on amarr ships, yet, does that make them bad ? I wait for an argumented answer.

You guys are way too focused on capacitor, it's an obsession.

Capacitor is not everything, even on amarr ships. It's important, yes, but if that was so critical, you could just use standard lens and enjoy a happy cap stable fit.

So now, please, just bring *comprehensive evidence* to support your crusade for cap stable amarr ships. And no, spewing cap number alone is not an evidence.

Capacitor is not everything, even on amarr ships. It's important, yes, but if that was so critical, you could just use standard lens and enjoy a happy cap stable fit.

So now, please, just bring *comprehensive evidence* to support your crusade for cap stable amarr ships. And no, spewing cap number alone is not an evidence.

Abaddon is awesome, the best blob ship bar none .. but going from 1/3rds of available BS having limited use in small-scale to 2/3rds is a big deal. Since that is because of the changed capacitor profile of the Apocalypse sans cap bonus, cap is and should be a focus.

Not sure adjusting the hulls is the way to go about it though as it risks breaking them in other ways, but almost all cap modules/rigs represent a sacrifice in and off themselves especially in PvP, and everyone can use them so it isn't an Amarr buff per se.
One module that has harsh fittings, certainly far in excess of the benefits it bestows (and thus rarely used), that could be boosted to help cap mongers everywhere is the lowly battery .. flat 25-50% capacity makes them a worthwhile sacrifice and can in combination with a relay even replace the injector on some ships/fits.

Looks like you never undocked in Amarr ship once... enough of this bullshit. I will use your own tactic : prove me that being cap starved is NOT ISSUE AT ALL. Because so far you wanna convice us that it's not problem. Eat your own poison now. Explain me how having cap for a bit more than 1 minute is good for us ? I'm trying to explain something to myself - you are just stupid or troll or bad or all of those. Maybe you can give me a hint ?

Looks like you never undocked in Amarr ship once... enough of this bullshit. I will use your own tactic : prove me that being cap starved is NOT ISSUE AT ALL. Because so far you wanna convince us that it's not problem. Eat your own poison now. Explain me how having cap for a bit more than 1 minute is good for us ? I'm trying to explain something to myself - you are just stupid or troll or bad or all of those. Maybe you can give me a hint ?

As much as I want an Abaddon with less cap problems, it would look bad with only 6 or 7 turrets (much like the 7 launcher drake).

Hopefully there is a way to resolve this issue while retaining it's ability to look like the pinnacle of Amarr battleship tech.

I did wish to make a comment about the whole "teiricide" stuff ...

I've been doing all these Amarr ship tests with max fitting skills, max cap skills, and Amarr BS 5
Realistically with the ability get into these ships with 1 battleship level most newer players getting into them aren't going to have level 5 skills in fitting and cap.
I am seriously concerned that though I and a few of the other testers are able to fit them and make them atleast usable that these newer players to Amarr won't be able to.
I'm just unsure with the extremely small amount of us actually testing these changes whether someone with level 3 or 4 fitting and cap skills are going to be viable in these ships.
I would like to voice my plea for the dev team or the bughunters, if they have the ability and time, to test these ships with lower skills.