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Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 138	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:28:00 - [2611] - Quote Quote: For new pilots grinding missions I would recommend saving for navy harbinger and side-step this dog turd of a T1 BS line and save/skill for a Nightmare of Paladin. You'll shed less tears. Unless they plan on somehow ruining the Apoc Navy, I plan on using one of those for a little while. [Edit: I just jynxed myself, wait and see... The really sad thing is, it will finally have a good looking model, not just the Pimp Comb. Which was really the major thing keeping from flying the Apoc. It's ugly. Were it not for Moa, it would be in the running for the ugliest ship in the game. I like to kick ass, but I love to look good doing it. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Theia Matova Dominance Theory 87	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:35:00 - [2612] - Quote Ashlar Vellum wrote: Meghel wrote: I really love your posts. Quite fun to read them :) Oh you are too kind, thank you. Meghel wrote: Thank you, I am happy that you saw the light. So you are bringing Dc's now into the equation? Perfectly fine with me. The Mega has less armor but more Hull The Apoc has more Armor, less hull. Now, I do know that Real Men Hull Tank, but if we step outside of lala land and come to Eve-Reality, I think we can agree that the point is NOT to hull tank if we can avoid it. Sorry, but are you saying that in Eve-Reality people don't fit DC on their ships. Ok I got it, Mega with DC is from lala land, also all other fits that use DC are from lala land too. Oh snap does that mean ... all Kil2's fits were from lala land , oh no his Talos fit is from lala land too. Garmon's Talos fit is from lala land, his Zealot fit is from lala land. I think you should start a thread about "DC is from lala land or how to save your lows" it will shatter some minds. So, yeah I do see light, but that is probably that shroom soup I ate for dinner. Meghel wrote: Neutralizers, vamps. It would be silly not to use the bonus the ship has. I am sure you will be flying around using 5 unbonussed lazers of course. I will be interested to see how that works out. Of course I will, cause like I wrote before: lasers do not use cap at all and can change damage type in a heartbeat. So yeah, lasers. Ok, you will fit all 7 highs with neuts/vamps, what size of neuts are we talking about heavy, medium, small? Meghel wrote: Hehe, doesnt matter. If it is T1 or T2 I never knew the Dragoon was a disaster or that T2 somehow invalidates your assertion :) Keep em coming mate, you are hilarious :) Oh really, you never knew. Now I just feel bad for telling you this then. There is this top secret dev blog that you never knew about. Probably no one knew about it(so don't feel bad for not knowing), cause no one linked it in this thread, not even once. And in this dev blog there is this graph that show how awesome Dragoon really is. @Meghel and @Ashlar Vellum I am not very amused by your behaviour. Actually if CCP as entity lets you to go on this stupid theatre. And don't start forum controlling I promise to you that both my accounts die. And that my characters fly into bit space so deep that they never come out of there. If you are devs this is really immature and disrespectful behaviour. If you are a player you give the idea that you might be dev even you do not say it it seems rather obvious. So CCP do you let such idiocy continue and people mock the community how is it? Other ideas Bounty contracts
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 138	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:40:00 - [2613] - Quote Quote: @Meghel and @Ashlar Vellum I am not very amused by your behaviour. Actually if CCP as entity lets you to go on this stupid theatre. And don't start forum controlling I promise to you that both my accounts die. And that my characters fly into bit space so deep that they never come out of there. If you are devs this is really immature and disrespectful behaviour. If you are a player you give the idea that you might be dev even you do not say it it seems rather obvious. So CCP do you let such idiocy continue and people mock the community how is it? Way to fly off the handle there. They were merely sarcastically telling you that there was a Dev Blog a while back where they posted the metrics on the use of the new Destroyers that showed the Dragoon is massively in last place for popularity. And knowing how trends work, especially in this game, it would be a shock if it had gotten more popular since then. Next time, try reading comprehension. It helps. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Ashlar Vellum Esquire Armaments 34	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:53:00 - [2614] - Quote Avald Midular wrote: For new pilots grinding missions I would recommend saving for navy harbinger and side-step this dog turd of a T1 BS line and save/skill for a Nightmare of Paladin. You'll shed less tears. Until Paladin and Nightmare are rebalanced. Paladin will become shild tanked battleship with blasters and Nightmare will be new pirate drone boat, cause why not. Theia Matova wrote: @Meghel and @Ashlar Vellum I am not very amused by your behaviour. Actually if CCP as entity lets you to go on this stupid theatre. And don't start forum controlling I promise to you that both my accounts die. And that my characters fly into bit space so deep that they never come out of there. If you are devs this is really immature and disrespectful behaviour. If you are a player you give the idea that you might be dev even you do not say it it seems rather obvious. So CCP do you let such idiocy continue and people mock the community, how is it? Sorry, what kind of behaviour are you talking about . That is first. and second: "If you are a player you give the idea that you might be dev even you do not say it it seems rather obvious." where did you get that idea?
Calathorn Virpio Golden Construction Inc. Legacy Rising 319	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:53:00 - [2615] - Quote having just looked over the geddons changes, it is IMMPOSSIBLE to fit 7 T2 neuts/vamps, or any combination of them PLUS turrets due to PG reduction well, you can, but you don't get to have any low or medium slots weeee, useless ship! BRING BACK THE JUKEBOX I attended the School of Hard Nocks, the only place you will ever learn anything of value, sadly most Americans never meet the requirments to attend
LuisWu I hope you were insured 37	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:59:00 - [2616] - Quote Well, I-¦ve been testing the geddon in Duality, if you want more than 120ehp (and you want it, disruption ship with 450 meters of sig rad needs all the tank it can get) and 7 neuts you need 2 ancillary or one ancillary and one Reactor Control Unit II, besides that with a cargo full of cap charges ship is going to work less than 4 minutes (assuming you have 2 large Cap Boosters), after 3 minutes and a half you are sitting there with your drones. Also dps, mobility and agility is terribad (no surprise). So yes the new armageddon its in the best place it can be for Odyssey.
Theia Matova Dominance Theory 88	Posted - 2013.05.08 22:07:00 - [2617] - Quote Ashlar Vellum wrote: Theia Matova wrote: @Meghel and @Ashlar Vellum I am not very amused by your behaviour. Actually if CCP as entity lets you to go on this stupid theatre. And don't start forum controlling I promise to you that both my accounts die. And that my characters fly into bit space so deep that they never come out of there. If you are devs this is really immature and disrespectful behaviour. If you are a player you give the idea that you might be dev even you do not say it it seems rather obvious. So CCP do you let such idiocy continue and people mock the community, how is it? Sorry, what kind of behaviour are you talking about . That is first. and second: "If you are a player you give the idea that you might be dev even you do not say it it seems rather obvious." where did you get that idea? @Ashlar Vellum I do not care to answer those questions. I am sure that I am not the only one. @CCP start answering the questions with developer accounts and address the issues. Other ideas Bounty contracts
Avald Midular Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 148	Posted - 2013.05.08 22:07:00 - [2618] - Quote LuisWu wrote: Well, I-¦ve been testing the geddon in Duality, if you want more than 120ehp (and you want it, disruption ship with 450 meters of sig rad needs all the tank it can get) and 7 neuts you need 2 ancillary or one ancillary and one Reactor Control Unit II, besides that with a cargo full of cap charges ship is going to work less than 4 minutes (assuming you have 2 large Cap Boosters), after 3 minutes and a half you are sitting there with your drones. Also dps, mobility and agility is terribad (no surprise). So yes the new armageddon its in the best place it can be for Odyssey. Sorry my sarcasm from text o-meter is broken, are you being sarcastic? Having to fit 2 PG mods and only running for 4 minutes sounds like all around bad news for me.
Avald Midular Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 148	Posted - 2013.05.08 22:08:00 - [2619] - Quote Theia Matova wrote: Ashlar Vellum wrote: Theia Matova wrote: @Meghel and @Ashlar Vellum I am not very amused by your behaviour. Actually if CCP as entity lets you to go on this stupid theatre. And don't start forum controlling I promise to you that both my accounts die. And that my characters fly into bit space so deep that they never come out of there. If you are devs this is really immature and disrespectful behaviour. If you are a player you give the idea that you might be dev even you do not say it it seems rather obvious. So CCP do you let such idiocy continue and people mock the community, how is it? Sorry, what kind of behaviour are you talking about . That is first. and second: "If you are a player you give the idea that you might be dev even you do not say it it seems rather obvious." where did you get that idea? @Ashlar Vellum I do not care to answer those questions. I am sure that I am not the only one. @CCP start answering the questions with developer accounts and address the issues. They're trolls or bots (or their humor is that bad irl). Just ignore them.
Avald Midular Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 148	Posted - 2013.05.08 22:09:00 - [2620] - Quote Calathorn Virpio wrote: having just looked over the geddons changes, it is IMMPOSSIBLE to fit 7 T2 neuts/vamps, or any combination of them PLUS turrets due to PG reduction well, you can, but you don't get to have any low or medium slots weeee, useless ship! my geddon right now has slightly over 20k PG, but i STILL can't fit a semi decent tank AND guns, AND a form of mobility aplification (MWD, AB, MJD) all at the same time. only way to get away with it is 5 mid teir turrets, 2 low teir, and i STILL can't fill the utility slot with what i want! take away another 3000PG and i can have A. really good tank, maybe some medium slots, and no highs. or B. pray to the gods that a bunch of vamps/neuts makes up for being made out of wet tissue paper that can't move Save it for the singularity feedback thread :) Hopefully they'll actually read that one.

LuisWu I hope you were insured 37	Posted - 2013.05.08 22:11:00 - [2621] - Quote Avald Midular wrote: LuisWu wrote: Well, I-¦ve been testing the geddon in Duality, if you want more than 120ehp (and you want it, disruption ship with 450 meters of sig rad needs all the tank it can get) and 7 neuts you need 2 ancillary or one ancillary and one Reactor Control Unit II, besides that with a cargo full of cap charges ship is going to work less than 4 minutes (assuming you have 2 large Cap Boosters), after 3 minutes and a half you are sitting there with your drones. Also dps, mobility and agility is terribad (no surprise). So yes the new armageddon its in the best place it can be for Odyssey. Sorry my sarcasm from text o-meter is broken, are you being sarcastic? Having to fit 2 PG mods and only running for 4 minutes sounds like all around bad news for me. Yes, it was sarcasm. I'm sorry English it's not my native language so maybe it wasn't very clear
Tank Talbot Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 140	Posted - 2013.05.08 22:12:00 - [2622] - Quote In my quest to bring holy fire to the heretic and the heathen it occurred to me that sometimes one has to look outside of their observable box in order to see a part of the greater divine plan in order to make sense of a world in which God appears to have fallen into a fit of madness. I think we would all agree that the traditional role of the battleship in high sec is ending with this re-balance as they simply are not cut out for it anymore. The design team has made battleships into vessels comparable to battle cruisers in firepower with larger tanks yet too little cap to sustain fire for long durations. This seems to pan out across racial lines with only a couple of curious exceptions that might be oriented toward gang play. Then, could they be re-balancing battleships into the GÇ£pure over all nicheGÇ¥ of being just solid null sec (and sometimes low sec) blob fleet runners? Maybe we are simply NOT supposed to be using the re-balanced and GÇ£re-nichedGÇ¥ battleships for level 4 missions and other traditional tasks in high sec when ships like the new naval harbinger come with a near battleship grade tank, ample firepower, and enough sustainable cap once skilled to do it well? They now fill that role and you could argue that it cuts down on the needed skill time for a rookie to earn good ISK off of missions. You only have to worry over battleship skills to blob. ItGÇÖs a null ship. A death of the battleshipGÇÖs true usefulness in high security space. In such case the real question becomes, will people accept the new roles for battleships and the death of the old ones? The ships are actually fine for blob warfare. IGÇÖd almost call it a troll of null and high. The objective of the re-balance wasnGÇÖt made clear limiting useful feedback they will care about and angering many looking at battleships from a traditional role viewpoint here in thread. With the upcoming changes in Odyssey null will need for industry. Care bear Raven runners will be skilled for null play. ItGÇÖs kind of crazy like some attempt to graduate the player base into new areas when they donGÇÖt want to go and those there donGÇÖt want them coming too.
Calathorn Virpio Golden Construction Inc. Legacy Rising 321	Posted - 2013.05.08 22:18:00 - [2623] - Quote Avald Midular wrote: LuisWu wrote: Well, I-¦ve been testing the geddon in Duality, if you want more than 120ehp (and you want it, disruption ship with 450 meters of sig rad needs all the tank it can get) and 7 neuts you need 2 ancillary or one ancillary and one Reactor Control Unit II, besides that with a cargo full of cap charges ship is going to work less than 4 minutes (assuming you have 2 large Cap Boosters), after 3 minutes and a half you are sitting there with your drones. Also dps, mobility and agility is terribad (no surprise). So yes the new armageddon its in the best place it can be for Odyssey. Sorry my sarcasm from text o-meter is broken, are you being sarcastic? Having to fit 2 PG mods and only running for 4 minutes sounds like all around bad news for me. yeah, not willing to drop 120 mill on rigs alone, that's more then the ******* ship and they don't actually improve ship perfomance like armor or energy turret rigs BRING BACK THE JUKEBOX I attended the School of Hard Nocks, the only place you will ever learn anything of value, sadly most Americans never meet the requirments to attend
Calathorn Virpio Golden Construction Inc. Legacy Rising 321	Posted - 2013.05.08 22:32:00 - [2624] - Quote the fact that fully fitted in a geddon with NO T2 guns or repper and only having 1700 PG left means a great deal of peopl are going to be pissed BRING BACK THE JUKEBOX I attended the School of Hard Nocks, the only place you will ever learn anything of value, sadly most Americans never meet the requirments to attend
Arya Greywolf Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 51	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:05:00 - [2625] - Quote Flyinghotpocket wrote: Arya Greywolf wrote: Dear CCP Rise Why does the Geddon have 7 highs? WHY DOES THE CURRENT ARMAGEDDON HAVE 8 HIGHS? because its amarr. why does the widow have 8 mids? You're caps doesn't make your flawed logic any better. The old Geddon had 7 turrets and a ROF bonus and 3 mids because it was a laser tank and gank boat. That makes sense, and seemingly, what you're arguing now. Seeing as there is tiercide and CCP Rise's massive change to the Geddon (like it or not I want to make it useful), it doesn't make sense to have so little mids and 7 highs to to point where fitting anything decent in the lows + high slots will cause absurd fitting problems with lack of powergrid (t2 heavy neuts/t2 heavy lasers + armor mods? I don't think so). Because a capsuleer would seemingly want to use the new neut/drone bonuses (f*ck me right?) it makes a hell of a lot more sense to give it another mid. Why? The new Geddon is lacking PWG for sure, this is been shown in this thread already. Trying to fit heavy neuts and lasers or missiles AND a decent tank will be extremely difficult and exceedingly impossible. What WOULD be useful would be to give it another mid slot for very important things for the Geddon's new bonuses. Namely, cap boosters and/or omnidirectional drone tracking links. To use the ship's new bonuses it will be mandatory to have a cap booster (most likely want 2 if you're serious about the neuting). Having a drone tracking link would also be smart (drone bonus waves). That leaves you with 2 or 1 mid slots left for a mandatory prop mod and the possibility of 1 e-war. That's pretty sad - not to mention to pwg issues the boat will have with 7 highs and 7 lows. CCP Rise, please change the slot layout to the Geddon. If you're going to go ahead with the massive change to the iconic Geddon and change it to a drone and neut boat, it NEEDS the mid slots, not the high slots. High 6 Mid 5 Low 7 Having EVERY Amarr BS have 4 mid slots is absolutely bland, not to mention the above reasons I just presented to you.
LuisWu I hope you were insured 39	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:21:00 - [2626] - Quote BTW I dont want to act like a troll but the Abbadon can fit 8 large neuts + 3 cap boosters + MWD + 247ehp without a single fitting module.
Theia Matova Dominance Theory 92	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:36:00 - [2627] - Quote I haven't fitted Geddon that intensively but maybe you are looking it from the wrong angle? I mean does it really need lasers and missiles to go with the neuts? Why I made it such fuzz about it is that Geddon really is a drone boat. Yet you can buff the damage output quite intensively if you do fit missiles. Not sure about lasers but since everyone complain about PWG I guess those won't fit. I am on Sisi just trying to fit the new NBCs but I have to give geddon another look. Other ideas Bounty contracts
Josilin du Guesclin University of Caille Gallente Federation 53	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:41:00 - [2628] - Quote Avald Midular wrote: LuisWu wrote: Well, I-¦ve been testing the geddon in Duality, if you want more than 120ehp (and you want it, disruption ship with 450 meters of sig rad needs all the tank it can get) and 7 neuts you need 2 ancillary or one ancillary and one Reactor Control Unit II, besides that with a cargo full of cap charges ship is going to work less than 4 minutes (assuming you have 2 large Cap Boosters), after 3 minutes and a half you are sitting there with your drones. Also dps, mobility and agility is terribad (no surprise). So yes the new armageddon its in the best place it can be for Odyssey. Sorry my sarcasm from text o-meter is broken, are you being sarcastic? Having to fit 2 PG mods and only running for 4 minutes sounds like all around bad news for me. Or, you can mount 6 heavy neuts, a full tank, and enough cap rechragers and power relays to be cap-stable running three of the neuts. I'm sure the 2min 23s running all six will be enough to neut out 2-3 ships that running three on will be able to hold down. Of course this leaves you with your drones for DPS, but if you're running that many neuts, DPS is incidental to your reason for being on the field (and ~400 DPS without drone modules is pretty nice 'free' DPS).
LuisWu I hope you were insured 40	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:52:00 - [2629] - Quote Theia Matova wrote: I haven't fitted Geddon that intensively but maybe you are looking it from the wrong angle? I mean does it really need lasers and missiles to go with the neuts? Why I made it such fuzz about it is that Geddon really is a drone boat. Yet you can buff the damage output quite intensively if you do fit missiles. Not sure about lasers but since everyone complain about PWG I guess those won't fit. I am on Sisi just trying to fit the new NBCs but I have to give geddon another look. Maybe you are right, but torps have horrible damage application and laser without weapon bonus are really really bad. Maybe I should try with projectiles (but i dont have the skills yet), mm... will try torp later. But at the end you are filling high slots with unbonussed modules.
Ashlar Vellum Esquire Armaments 33	Posted - 2013.05.09 00:39:00 - [2630] - Quote Theia Matova wrote: @Ashlar Vellum I do not care to answer those questions. I am sure that I am not the only one. @CCP start answering the questions with developer accounts and address the issues. Hah I see. So, if you do not care to answer those questions, I have only one thing to say to you: Can I have your stuff? Avald Midular wrote: They're trolls or bots (or their humor is that bad irl). Just ignore them. I might went a little bit too far in post 2552, and for that I'm sorry. This thread is on bloody page 129, there were a ton of good ideas/feedback and then some from Apostrof Ahashion; Tonto Auri; Pelea Ming; Naso Aya; Zimmy Zeta and much, much more others. imho Arline Kley's post 861 with Geddon idea is very interesting, Marlona Sky idea about role bonus is pure awesome. So it's all up to Rise to collect all those ideas/feedback and make a decision or leave this new lazy balance as is. Arya Greywolf wrote: CCP Rise, please change the slot layout to the Geddon. If you're going to go ahead with the massive change to the iconic Geddon and change it to a drone and neut boat, it NEEDS the mid slots, not the high slots. High 6 Mid 5 Low 7 Having EVERY Amarr BS have 4 mid slots is absolutely bland, not to mention the above reasons I just presented to you. H6 M5 L7 is a Domi slot layout. Theia Matova wrote: I haven't fitted Geddon that intensively but maybe you are looking it from the wrong angle? I mean does it really need lasers and missiles to go with the neuts? Why I made it such fuzz about it is that Geddon really is a drone boat. Yet you can buff the damage output quite intensively if you do fit missiles. Not sure about lasers but since everyone complain about PWG I guess those won't fit. I am on Sisi just trying to fit the new NBCs but I have to give geddon another look. Hells bells, lasers are you serious?! No one will fit lasers on GedDomi, if people will fit weapons it would be projectiles or rockets.

Arya Greywolf Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 52	Posted - 2013.05.09 00:52:00 - [2631] - Quote Ashlar Vellum wrote: Arya Greywolf wrote: CCP Rise, please change the slot layout to the Geddon. If you're going to go ahead with the massive change to the iconic Geddon and change it to a drone and neut boat, it NEEDS the mid slots, not the high slots. High 6 Mid 5 Low 7 Having EVERY Amarr BS have 4 mid slots is absolutely bland, not to mention the above reasons I just presented to you. H6 M5 L7 is a Domi slot layout. So? Why purposely gimp the Geddon as a drone/neut ship that absolutey needs as many mids as possible over the highs (when there is no bonus to a high slot weapon) just because the Domi already has the same slot layout? Moreover, CCP and CCP Rise are obviously willing and HAVE changed other racial slot layouts to trample over past Amarr boats (i.e. the new 8 low slot mega). "Because another ship with 1 similar bonus out of two has the same slot layout we can't do another ship with the same slot layout" is not good reasoning.
Ashlar Vellum Esquire Armaments 33	Posted - 2013.05.09 01:02:00 - [2632] - Quote Arya Greywolf wrote: Ashlar Vellum wrote: Arya Greywolf wrote: CCP Rise, please change the slot layout to the Geddon. If you're going to go ahead with the massive change to the iconic Geddon and change it to a drone and neut boat, it NEEDS the mid slots, not the high slots. High 6 Mid 5 Low 7 Having EVERY Amarr BS have 4 mid slots is absolutely bland, not to mention the above reasons I just presented to you. H6 M5 L7 is a Domi slot layout. So? Why purposely gimp the Geddon as a drone/neut ship that absolutey needs as many mids as possible over the highs (when there is no bonus to a high slot weapon) just because the Domi already has the same slot layout? Moreover, CCP and CCP Rise are obviously willing and HAVE changed other racial slot layouts to trample over past Amarr boats (i.e. the new 8 low slot mega). "Because another ship with 1 similar bonus out of two has the same slot layout we can't do another ship with the same slot layout" is not good reasoning. I see your point, but don't you think that having 2 almost identical ships is a bit excessive.
Arya Greywolf Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 52	Posted - 2013.05.09 01:10:00 - [2633] - Quote Ashlar Vellum wrote: Arya Greywolf wrote: Ashlar Vellum wrote: Arya Greywolf wrote: CCP Rise, please change the slot layout to the Geddon. If you're going to go ahead with the massive change to the iconic Geddon and change it to a drone and neut boat, it NEEDS the mid slots, not the high slots. High 6 Mid 5 Low 7 Having EVERY Amarr BS have 4 mid slots is absolutely bland, not to mention the above reasons I just presented to you. H6 M5 L7 is a Domi slot layout. So? Why purposely gimp the Geddon as a drone/neut ship that absolutey needs as many mids as possible over the highs (when there is no bonus to a high slot weapon) just because the Domi already has the same slot layout? Moreover, CCP and CCP Rise are obviously willing and HAVE changed other racial slot layouts to trample over past Amarr boats (i.e. the new 8 low slot mega). "Because another ship with 1 similar bonus out of two has the same slot layout we can't do another ship with the same slot layout" is not good reasoning. I see your point, but don't you think that having 2 almost identical ships is a bit excessive. No, not if it just makes the Geddon's slot layout counter to its bonuses. They already did the same thing for BCs with the myrm and prophecy and the 2nd bonus for those ships is actually even more similar than the Geddon and Domi's second bonus. Actually, seeing the prophecy with 4 slots makes it even clearer that the Geddon needs a 5th slot as a step up to BS class. There are many ships in EvE with similar slot layouts (or same) and similar roles. That shouldn't be the decision maker. The Geddon was changed (for better or worse) to a neut/drone boat and now it needs the extra mid slots to compensate.
Theia Matova Dominance Theory 92	Posted - 2013.05.09 01:16:00 - [2634] - Quote I just flied navy Harbinger at sisi and for first feel it feels exactly like BS. Its really slow. Same cap issues. It only has 6L so it gives bit limit to fitting tank and DPS. Yet it has 5 highs and the skin looks nice. I did not get as high DPS out of it with my skills as I hoped or range. If you liked old Geddon then you might like Navy Harbinger it has slight resemblance. Yet these ships heavily over lap existing BS hulls and make them more obsolete. Other ideas Bounty contracts
Theia Matova Dominance Theory 92	Posted - 2013.05.09 01:23:00 - [2635] - Quote Ashlar Vellum wrote: Theia Matova wrote: I haven't fitted Geddon that intensively but maybe you are looking it from the wrong angle? I mean does it really need lasers and missiles to go with the neuts? Why I made it such fuzz about it is that Geddon really is a drone boat. Yet you can buff the damage output quite intensively if you do fit missiles. Not sure about lasers but since everyone complain about PWG I guess those won't fit. I am on Sisi just trying to fit the new NBCs but I have to give geddon another look. Hells bells, lasers are you serious?! No one will fit lasers on GedDomi, if people will fit weapons it would be projectiles or rockets. I am not saying its probably working or good concept but tachys could work. But not other lasers. Tachys gain bit more damage than other lasers. Yet you probably can't fit tachys if everyone complain about PWG. Its sad that we get nice bonuses for lasers on some ship hulls and seems that the consesus for amarr weapon system being projectiles. Abaddon lacks the range / cap for lasers and geddon is not simply worth it. Making apocalypse only viable laser platform but even it is over matched by oracle. Other ideas Bounty contracts
Naso Aya EVE University Ivy League 66	Posted - 2013.05.09 02:29:00 - [2636] - Quote Ashlar Vellum wrote: I see your point, but don't you think that having 2 almost identical ships is a bit excessive. Just playing devil's advocate because I like to: Like the Abaddon and Armageddon? Same slots, same powergrid, 20 CPU difference between the two. They'll both be using lasers, and both armor tanking. Ugh, I know I've been over this a lot, but I feel the Apoc really needs something else to distinguish it from the Abaddon. Maybe an 8/3/8 layout similar to the old 'geddon.
Tank Talbot Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 143	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:21:00 - [2637] - Quote So, any of you flying the re-balanced battleships on the test server? With the large laser changes, how do they preform in actual play?
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp 155	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:40:00 - [2638] - Quote They were on test server (Duality) for last two weeks, approximately. Anything has changed? The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. ---áHarlan Ellison
Tank Talbot Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 144	Posted - 2013.05.09 05:21:00 - [2639] - Quote Tonto Auri wrote: They were on test server (Duality) for last two weeks, approximately. Anything has changed? I didn't think they had the large laser cap rebalancing on Duality during that time? Just the ships.
Apostrof Ahashion Viziam Amarr Empire 160	Posted - 2013.05.09 05:55:00 - [2640] - Quote Tank Talbot wrote: Tonto Auri wrote: They were on test server (Duality) for last two weeks, approximately. Anything has changed? I didn't think they had the large laser cap rebalancing on Duality during that time? Just the ships. Abaddon now has 15 seconds longer run time, and that wont bring it back in fleet doctrines. The only tier 3 that is not reimbursed in most 0,0 alliances. Apocalypse still sucks, it is a cap hungry ship with bad tank, tracking bonus translates to ~25% more damage to cruisers orbiting at 20km, against battleships, frigates and battlecruisers the difference is much smaller. Other ships have that damage bonus in all situations, and in the old apocalypse if i wanted tracking i could fit for tracking, now my slots are occupied with discharge rigs and cap boosters. And in pve you need all cap related skills at 5 and T2 guns to do something Maelstorms does better with T1 guns and no cap skills. People are still thinking that Armageddon is a great neut boat even if it has bad tank and cant fit full rack of neuts. Because: Quote: It nows haz ranges to get teh interceptors If fleet interceptors are causing you that much grief in small ganks consider fitting someone with sensor dampeners, since they have like 30km lock range. Problem solved, now you can fly a something that does not suck this much.



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