If Tempest is an attack ship, this values do not seem correct:

Tempest : Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 120 / .12 / 101050000(-2250000) / 16.81s(-.37s)
Megathron: Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 122(+7) / .117(-.0046) / 98400000 / 15.96s (-.63s)

I understand the mass (something done a few years ago already), the "why" of align/agility, but I don't understand the speed.

About the drones on the Typhoon, it was the only Minmatar battleship that could launch 125m3 of drones. It would be great if you could find a way to maintain the old bandwidth. I also agree with the fact that the drone bay could have at least 25m3 of extra room, not only in the Typhoon.

It looks even worse when you compare to the Hyperion that should be a COMBAT battleship. Tempest should be able to go faster than any battleship BAR the typhoon.

why should it be faster?

Welcome to the Tech 1 Battleship rebalance, fasten your seatbelts!

I think it would be alright to keep the Tempest a little slower as long as its HP is buffed accordingly. That way it can straddle the combat, attack BS line but still keep its inherent characteristics

120m/s was its original speed which has been left unchanged, I don't think a little extra would hurt though seeing as it is now a combat BS. Signature is a little higher than before by +20 which I won't complain about even though I'd prefer it to be at current levels.

Personally I would keep the speed and signature, perhaps buff speed and agility slightly, and increase shield to the same level as armour at 7300.

Dear CCP Rices.

Now matars have the best turret ships.
Soon matars will have the best missile ship.
Finally, make the last step - give to matars the best droneboat, and you can just remove the remaining races from the game.

Matari turret " dominance" has only some presence on the cruiser sized ships. And since the tiercide that advantage has been massively nerfed, only blind people cannot see it. The number of ships in killmails cannot be used as sole indicator of the performacne of a ship, but mostly of how the metagame accept certain roles.

There is a lot of people that keep repeating the fake "minmatar have the best ships" sentence. They have the best ships on a few selected areas. What happens is those were the areas that most people focus on (BC and cruisers).

The tempest changed OK. That would put him in a proper place compared to the mega. But I do not think the Shield HP are valid because Minmatar are supposed to have less Hit point than other races. That is minmatar identity and how they pay up their signature. Sorry but the tempest cannot have so much HP without taking them form other layer.


The typhoon proposition also is FAR FAR too powerful. That would make people right on complaining about the typhoon. The ship would be too pwoerful against battleships and at same time much weaker against smaller ships.

I think Rise current idea of a typhoon is OK. very attackish (something I wish I could say about tempest)

Tempest should be:

7000/7000/6500 shield/armor/ hull (-300 armor, - -380 hull)
125/ .11/ 101050000 speed/agility/mass (+5 speed , -0.01 agility)



AND I would love if it would move 1 high to somewhere else.

If the last one was perhaps a little OP, then something like this may be better. Your losing 20% of the missile damage by removing a launcher hardpoint, but then your gaining an extra unbonused projectile turret which you can fit, and also a little more dps from the extra 25m3 drone bandwidth.

Also this would really use all the skills from the minmatar pilot if they want it maxed out just like the current Typhoon.

Typhoon:

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:
5% bonus to Cruise and Torpedo launcher rate of fire
5% bonus to Cruise and Torpedo launcher explosion velocity

Slot layout: 7H, 5M, 7L; 5 turrets, 5 launchers (-1)
Fittings: 12500 PWG, 640 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 6500 / 6000 / 6000
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 5400 / 1087s / 4.97
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 130 / .11 / 103600000 / 15.8
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 (+25) / 200 (+100)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 65km / 115 / 7
Sensor strength: 19 Ladar Sensor Strength
Signature radius: 330

Matari turret " dominance" has only some presence on the cruiser sized ships. And since the tiercide that advantage has been massively nerfed, only blind people cannot see it. The number of ships in killmails cannot be used as sole indicator of the performacne of a ship, but mostly of how the metagame accept certain roles.

There is a lot of people that keep repeating the fake "minmatar have the best ships" sentence. They have the best ships on a few selected areas. What happens is those were the areas that most people focus on (BC and cruisers).

That in fact is way weaker than current rise proposal.

people are underestimating the power of torpedoes with explosion velocity bonus. They make projectile turrets look pathetic.

the advantage is massivlely nerfed,that means it still has advatage -> so still med projectiles are the best
and why large arty is prefered over rails and beams? oh wait cause metagame...

oh and that killmails isnt performance of a ship is not true at all
good ships used more , more used ships will be on more killmails
hml nerf --> drake drop in usage --> less drakes in killmails
if you cant see that you are just ignorant
and what is this bs metagame accept certain roles? should these somehow balanced out ? isnt ccp balanceing now to make long forgotten ships used in the new meta? when one race dominates meta such as matar there is a huge problem

i tell u something , matar is constantly finetuned to be the best in the metagame, or the metagame is changed to prefer matar
like nerfing ecm boosting sensor strenghts , probe mechanism , projectile rebalance, even the old speed nerf hurted gall more than matar etc.

what i see is that matar fanboys want everything, they whine if their ship is not the fastest and point out that speed is matar doctrine , but they then instantly whine if their ships somehow less tanky or has worse weapons , suddenly matar style doesnt needed as it would make them less prefered, how many of you pointed out that these ships doesnt need better sensor strength, and or longer targetin ranges? none

see you are all pricks, wanting to be matar the best race,
having everything giving up nothing thats what matar fanboys motto is

why a mini missile boat ?
give the phoon guns as well

The Tempest could use a bit of speed, and perhaps a high to a mid.

7 mids??? I'm not seeing that happen at all :-)
7/6/6 could really be interesting (a nice surprise fitting wise).

I would be happy with just 5 more speed and maybe a slight tuning in agility / hitpoints.