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Ersahi Kir
Freelance Mining Company
85
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:52:00 -
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That extra mid slot on the typhoon has me confused as if I should hate the new typhoon or if I should be eft warrioring new fits. That ship really was a curveball that I was not expecting at all. |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION
RISE of LEGION
90
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:52:00 -
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So you took the phoon down a dark alley, shot it in the back of the head 3 times and pissed on the body. Oh well. At least the new geddon looks interesting.
There's a good reason you don't see Ravens in pvp. There's a good reason the cavalry Raven doesn't exist anymore (and hasn't for years and years and years). Unless you make it possible to apply around 65-80% of torp dps to a cruiser moving around 400-500 m/s, torp battleships will not happen.
Let the phoon be the odd man out with the dual weapon bonus, like the scorp is the odd man out with the ecm bonus. Or give it a web range bonus if you insist on the ******** notion of making it a torp boat.
Your redesigned phoon is worse in every way compared to the current phoon.
Edit: Just to hammer the point home. The ONLY ships that are "effective" torp boats are bombers, and they work because they have so many OTHER things going for them, namely: bombs, covops cloak, covops cyno, no sensor recal delay, frigate hull. |
Onnen Mentar
Murientor Tribe
Defiant Legacy
42
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:01:00 -
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So far I'm not happy with those changes at all. 
I'm not saying the ships won't be viable, but I dislike the direction that is being taken. You're being slaves of the tiericide right now.
My biggest issue is that the tempest was a clear attack battleship and the typhoon a great swiss-knife ship. I would have liked to see them keep their special traits.. including smaller sig radius and utility highs. So what if the DPS/EHP ends up being slightly less?
Also, why does every race need an equal amount of ships of a certain type? For more racial variety, I would have loved to see minmatar with two attack variants for a change. Or even better, keep tiers for battleship. At least think about it. ;)
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
570
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:03:00 -
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Looks good. |
Gnoshia
State War Academy
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:05:00 -
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Oh cool. So the Typhoon is just a better Raven.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3906
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:08:00 -
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The missile rebalance is going to be critical in judging this one.
I will say it would have been interesting to give the Typhoon the split weapons system bonus that we see elsewhere (10% damage to projectile damage AND 10% damage to missile damage) with all other changes remaining more or less intact.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Pesadel0
the muppets
DARKNESS.
71
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:15:00 -
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I would prefer a web bonus and slip turret and missile boat on the phoon than this farce of a raven armor tanking. |
Veda Ituin
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
1
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:19:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Let the phoon be the odd man out with the dual weapon bonus, like the scorp is the odd man out with the ecm bonus.
Hear, hear! To me the 'phoon was something to aspire to, whereas this new raven is well a raven... Maybe the only change it needed was to make the 'phoon the 'tier 3 battleship' to refelect the fact that it required a substantial amount of time to master?
My ongoing fear is that soon, race will be irrelevant and instead of splitting skills like Destroyer and Battlecruiser, you may as well merge the racial ships into a common skill!
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Krell Kroenen
Miners In Possession
135
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:26:00 -
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BABARR wrote:Krell Kroenen wrote:BABARR wrote:Tempest still need love.
7 gun (+1) remove a mid for a low to make a real gunboat like huricane or rupy, could be a good idea. Please consider doing this given what is happening to the Mega. The mega is now designed to become a shield/DPS big boat, like a big talos. Maybe not a great idea, but i'am ont his thread to speak about minmatar boat, and when i see the epic new typhoon, i find the tempest more crap than before, and god, it was already crap. So making it a REAL gunboat armor, (maybe whith short powergrid or cpu to not be able to fit bigger gun too easy, or very small drone bay for the balance) could be a good idea.
Well all I was saying was that given the changes that CCP is thinking about doing to the Mega I need a replacement gunboat and 7 lows and 7 guns on the tempest would most likely fit that bill.
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Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out
Suddenly Spaceships.
43155
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:27:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Our redesign here aims to honor the spirit of the typhoon
You Failed.
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Aglais
Liberation Army
Li3 Federation
199
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:27:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:So you took the phoon down a dark alley, shot it in the back of the head 3 times and pissed on the body. Oh well. At least the new geddon looks interesting.
There's a good reason you don't see Ravens in pvp. There's a good reason the cavalry Raven doesn't exist anymore (and hasn't for years and years and years). Unless you make it possible to apply around 65-80% of torp dps to a cruiser moving around 400-500 m/s, torp battleships will not happen.
Let the phoon be the odd man out with the dual weapon bonus, like the scorp is the odd man out with the ecm bonus. Or give it a web range bonus if you insist on the ******** notion of making it a torp boat.
Your redesigned phoon is worse in every way compared to the current phoon.
Hey- the Typhoon's still better than the goddamn Raven, even with it's new stats.
If you want to see a truly awful ship, point yourself in the direction of the Caldari battleship thread. The only changes the Raven has received have been cuts to tank, cuts to drone quantity... And for what? 19 more meters per second, another med slot and a 1.1 second reduction in align time.
At least the Typhoon has a ******* explosion velocity bonus. |
Alek Row
Silent Step
9
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:28:00 -
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The attack ship should be a projectile boat, or isn't the projectiles the 1st weapon of choice for Minmatar?
I understand we now have the option for missiles in a few boats, but projectiles still comes first.
At least make the Republic Fleet Tempest as an attack ship. This makes no sense.
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Evelgrivion
Calamitous-Intent
238
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:29:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Typhoon:
It should also be mentioned that we hope to have a look at cruise missiles and torpedos in time for the summer expansion as well.
I sincerely hope so, because in its current state, this is the only hope the Typhoon has. As things stand, it will become a true armor Raven, which as we all know, is effectively worthless in combat due to the minimal damage output of cruise missiles, and the complete non-ability of torpedo DPS to actually hurt anything.
The reduction in drone bandwidth and bay size is a step too far in reducing the ship's flexibility. The Typhoon is nothing without a combination of viable weapons systems. Removing turrets and drone flexibility from the ship is a step too far in redefining the ship's capabilities; it's a final step that should not be taken for this ship in the tiericide initiative. |
Sokkolf
Phyrexian Engineering
Legacy Rising
1
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:36:00 -
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Am liking the changes to the typhoon with the exception of the drone bay. Why was it dropped to 100 from 125? |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile.
Imperial Outlaws.
1140
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:40:00 -
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Sokkolf wrote:Am liking the changes to the typhoon with the exception of the drone bay. Why was it dropped to 100 from 125?
It was dropped from 125/175 to 100/100. Pretty Harsh. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
Whores in space
62
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:41:00 -
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Sorry but the HUGE signature increase in the tempest is not justified. It is NOT a huge battleship it shoudl not have same size as maelstrom! |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Atrocitas
3277
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:43:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:Sokkolf wrote:Am liking the changes to the typhoon with the exception of the drone bay. Why was it dropped to 100 from 125? It was dropped from 125/175 to 100/100. Pretty Harsh.
I'm so glad I didn't train all the battleship skills to 5 like 4 times now.
Oh wait.
-Liang
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PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION
RISE of LEGION
92
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:43:00 -
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Aglais wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:So you took the phoon down a dark alley, shot it in the back of the head 3 times and pissed on the body. Oh well. At least the new geddon looks interesting.
There's a good reason you don't see Ravens in pvp. There's a good reason the cavalry Raven doesn't exist anymore (and hasn't for years and years and years). Unless you make it possible to apply around 65-80% of torp dps to a cruiser moving around 400-500 m/s, torp battleships will not happen.
Let the phoon be the odd man out with the dual weapon bonus, like the scorp is the odd man out with the ecm bonus. Or give it a web range bonus if you insist on the ******** notion of making it a torp boat.
Your redesigned phoon is worse in every way compared to the current phoon.
Hey- the Typhoon's still better than the goddamn Raven, even with it's new stats. If you want to see a truly awful ship, point yourself in the direction of the Caldari battleship thread. The only changes the Raven has received have been cuts to tank, cuts to drone quantity... And for what? 19 more meters per second, another med slot and a 1.1 second reduction in align time. At least the Typhoon has a ******* explosion velocity bonus.
That's the point though really. The current phoon, with the "disadvantage" of a split weapons system is PERFECTLY viable. Not everywhere, and not for all things, but it has a number of niche roles. It is unique, perhaps because it is the only ship with a split weapons system that works well.
CCP is taking that functional, unique ship away from us, and giving us a ******* armor Raven.
Eve needs FEWER Ravens, not MORE useless ravens. Don't fix something if it isn't broken. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
303
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:45:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:Sokkolf wrote:Am liking the changes to the typhoon with the exception of the drone bay. Why was it dropped to 100 from 125? It was dropped from 125/175 to 100/100. Pretty Harsh.
Yeah only race that don't have any sort of drone ship just got it only one with drone bay turned in raven ....i don't even..
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http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Sofia Wolf
Ubuntu Inc.
The Fourth District
173
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:47:00 -
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I donGÇÖt like sig radius increase on phoon and pest, small sig is minamtar race feature, reducing that difference makes them less distinct when compared to other races.
More importantly that sig radius in some situation had significant tanking benefits and is likely have negative consequences when it comes to dealing with blaping dreds and bombers. While I'm fine with making bombers more powerful last thing we need in EVE is more powerful capitals, so perhaps you should reconsider adjusting sig radius downwards for all battleships, and to compensate also decrease explosion radius of bombs.
Jessica Danikov > EVE is your real life. the rest is fantasy. caught in a corporation. no escape from banality. open up yours eyes, peer through pod good and seeeeeee. I'm just a poor pilot, I need no sympathy. because I'm easy scam, easy go, little isk, little know. anyway the solar wind blows... |
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
Whores in space
63
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:47:00 -
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I am REALLY disapointed. Tempest SLOWER than megatron? WTF ?
Where are the minmatar role gone into?
Its a matter of CONCEPT!! That is SO WRONG that is #!@*!@#*!@#*!@#!#. Sorry but it is!
Also on overal the battleships are still ALL of them TOO WEAK FOR THEIR COST!
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Sylvous
Bigger than Jesus
113
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:48:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Our redesign here aims to honor the spirit of the typhoon You Failed.
Pretty much.
What makes the phoon great is utility. Now it only has 1 utility high. Keep the 8 high slots it's what made the phoon the phoon. |
Alek Row
Silent Step
11
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:50:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:I am REALLY disapointed. Tempest SLOWER than megatron? WTF ?
Where are the minmatar role gone into?
Its a matter of CONCEPT!! That is SO WRONG that is #!@*!@#*!@#*!@#!#. Sorry but it is!
Also on overal the battleships are still ALL of them TOO WEAK FOR THEIR COST!
And now check the mass of Tempest and the Typhoon (WTF???) and compare it with the Mega...
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Atrocitas
3279
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:51:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:
Also on overal the battleships are still ALL of them TOO WEAK FOR THEIR COST!
I definitely agree on them conceptually shitting on Minmatar, but cost is player controlled via the market.
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
Whores in space
63
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:53:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:
Also on overal the battleships are still ALL of them TOO WEAK FOR THEIR COST!
I definitely agree on them conceptually shitting on Minmatar, but cost is player controlled via the market. -Liang
I mean comapred to BC. Simply comapre the ammount of minerals as a cost if you want. They are still too weak. |
Deerin
Murientor Tribe
Defiant Legacy
80
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:54:00 -
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OK....my initial sentimantality is gone.
Mael:
Nothing changed here. It is a fine PvE ship and has a good alpha fleet doctrine going for it. Also it is a beast with XLASB. It is performing its roles very well. Can you please add it a 25m^3 drone bay to actually utilize its 100mbit bandwidth
Pest:
Although it is changed to combat role and its EHP incresed the increase to sig radius is harsh. Then again it is still smallest sig Combat Battleship so I hope it will still be ok. Can you please add it a 25m^3 drone bay to actually utilize its 75mbit bandwidth
Phoon:
I've to admit old phoon is gone and this is a new ship. I shouldn't be looking at the old swiss army knife lovely phoon.
As a new ship I think it is good. 6 launchers + exp radius bonus + enough meds to supply it with tp+webs and decent 7 slow tank on lows.....and it is fastest battleship.......It can have its own fleet doctrine!!!! Can you please add it a 25m^3 drone bay to actually utilize its 100mbit bandwidth
One thing to note though. It's role will coincide with Maelstorm on PvE front. It will provide decent PvE platform and will compete with mael.
Still I'll miss the old phoon. I hope its characteristics can be retained in the fleet version. |
ElectronHerd Askulf
Reasonable People
Of Sound Mind
0
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:54:00 -
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As a relatively new player, I've come to love the typhoon for its cheap, flexible ugliness, so I'm divided on the typhoon changes.
I like the new concentration on missiles, but the drone nerfs are pretty harsh. Can we have either enough bandwidth for a full flight of heavys/sentries OR some of the spare drone bay back? Actually, the latter would probably do more for retaining the utility without being OP - the ability to carry a 'full' flight of damage drones plus repair or ewar really gives a lot of flexibility.
Trading utility highs for more damage better applied makes sense, even if I'll miss my ability to fit dual remote reps for sigs. My PvE typhoons I have 3 or 4 fits to swap in depending on exactly what I'm doing. Some of those will still work, but the remote rep variants really won't. So it goes.
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Karimson Safehold
EVE University
Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:58:00 -
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Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 8000 / 7500 / 700
Looks like something fell off the Maelstrom there. When will the rust stop falling off? There's almost no structure left |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Atrocitas
3279
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:09:00 -
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Karimson Safehold wrote:Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 8000 / 7500 / 700
Looks like something fell off the Maelstrom there. When will the rust stop falling off? There's almost no structure left
Yeah, it was the bottom two wingie bits. Sorry. :(
-Liang
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
Whores in space
63
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:09:00 -
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RISe, PLEASE read this.
Tempest MAIN ROLE was always to bring 2 heavy neuts. Now this role is of the armageddon, forever....
You nee dto change WAY MORE in the tempest on this new meta to make it useful!
please think of it! Its role cannot be the 2 heavy neut bringer. remove 1 high and add a mid or low if needed. If you want to make it a COMBAT SHIP you need to give it more in terms of low or mid slots. |
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