If tracking enhancers get nerfed then Tempest will be totally useless in the suggested form (as opposed to just bad). Definitely needs a little more dps to stay competitive (shield vexor has nearly as much). The "oversized cane" role was never practical as it was too slow and required a cap booster to run mwd for a significant amount of time.

Large AC's may just need a dps buff, they don't really scale well relative to other bs's. Medium AC's are balanced (though everything else got buffed..) due to the great mobile platforms like vaga, cane, sleipnir. Also the capless aspect becomes less useful since most need a cap booster anyway (amarr to use guns, gallente to use mwd).

Large AC dps is OK. THe problemis that the tempest has less low slots to fit damage mods and less drones than its competition. That results in a final HUGE DPS difference.

Tempest:

127 Max velocity (+7)

.119 Agility (-.001)

6800 Shield hp (-200)

7000 Amor hp (-300)

Hi guys

We're making a couple small changes for the Tempest and the Typhoon, I'm telling you about them!

For the Tempest, when we said it was going to be Minmatar's second attack ship instead of combat, we moved the stats to somewhere inbetween for some reason. So now I'm going to finish the job.

Tempest:

127 Max velocity (+7)

.119 Agility (-.001)

6800 Shield hp (-200)

7000 Amor hp (-300)

This means the Tempest will still have more base hitpoints than it does currently on TQ, and it will also have slightly above average hp for an attack battleship, which we feel is warranted by being a little weaker in some other respects. In trade, it now goes much faster. With one nano and no implants or links, it goes 1251m/sec. It will feel a lot like a sort of 'heavy battlecruiser' for many purposes. I hope this direction is fun and rewarding and makes the ship stand out.

For the Typhoon, we are making smaller changes.

6 Turret slots (+1)

100600000 mass, (-3000000)

It didn't make a lot of sense to have 5 turrets and 6 launchers, especially when the Navy version is 6/6. The mass change is minor but it brings the mass a little closer to its attack BS bretheren.

Thanks for the feedback!

Hi guys

We're making a couple small changes for the Tempest and the Typhoon, I'm telling you about them!

For the Tempest, when we said it was going to be Minmatar's second attack ship instead of combat, we moved the stats to somewhere inbetween for some reason. So now I'm going to finish the job.

Tempest:

127 Max velocity (+7)

.119 Agility (-.001)

6800 Shield hp (-200)

7000 Amor hp (-300)

This means the Tempest will still have more base hitpoints than it does currently on TQ, and it will also have slightly above average hp for an attack battleship, which we feel is warranted by being a little weaker in some other respects. In trade, it now goes much faster. With one nano and no implants or links, it goes 1251m/sec. It will feel a lot like a sort of 'heavy battlecruiser' for many purposes. I hope this direction is fun and rewarding and makes the ship stand out.

For the Typhoon, we are making smaller changes.

6 Turret slots (+1)

100600000 mass, (-3000000)

It didn't make a lot of sense to have 5 turrets and 6 launchers, especially when the Navy version is 6/6. The mass change is minor but it brings the mass a little closer to its attack BS bretheren.

Thanks for the feedback!

Funnily enough, the New new Tempest is still the least agile, and almost the slowest attack ship of the lot.

GG

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You just keep makign the same mistake! The tempest is still LESS damage, LEss tank (due to wrse slot layout), LEss drones, Larger, more massive than typhoon.


The hange to agility is JOKE.. Almsot INSULTING to the community!

Tempest is completely and utterly outclassed by the typhoon ( and megatron and Hyperion for the matter).


It needs to weight LESS than the typhoon! Look athte face of those 2 things and tell me how in hell the typhoon can be lighter!!! The tempest is moslty made of SAILS!!

You just keep makign the same mistake! The tempest is still LESS damage, LEss tank (due to wrse slot layout), LEss drones, Larger, more massive than typhoon.

Most of us here have requested a better slot layout either +1 to low or +1 to mid, and a 7.5% ROF bonus, or a fall off bonus, if you could give us those things combined with the speed changes, then we might be able to see the tempest be given a role that it can stand out in. Right now even with this change it's far from standing out.

The other option is Rise may be waiting to see the statistics after odyssey expansion has been released to see what changes are needed, if so then it will be a long wait.

Would be nice to hear what Rise's opinion is on any future possible changes to the Tempest.

Like with the Stabber - we'll get +25mbit drone buff down the road which will fix it - right?

Just checking with 1v of the original stats:
The Tempest going from combat to attack...
-0.4 seconds align time
-1000 Shields
-800 Armour
-300 Hull
+7m/s

A maximum of 900 turret dps at 3km (vs 900 cruise missile dps out to 100km on the phoon)
+500 more armour HP vs a megathron that has +2 more low slots.
wtfisthissh!t?.jpg

He was too busy telling everyone not to panic a few days ago.

I'm not panicking. Changes are pretty much what I expected to be honest form CCP Rise. I don't see the Tempest to be as unusable as you view it yourself, and so will continue to use it even in its current state in the knowledge it will probably get a few extra tweaks in the future. Most of what I've predicted so far in this thread has come true. I did think there may be a slight possibility of improving the dps before odyssey though, but not really surprised that it hasn't happened given all the other ships he his balancing at that moment.

Plus the 25mb drone buff on the stabber is not really a very good example if your trying to instill fear regarding CCP's ability to reiterate ships, as that is a really nice buff to the stabber.

This is the part I am little skeptical about. I was going to do some testing but haven't got round to it. The Tempest should have greater EHP as it lacks in the other areas, but as you say, the slot layout could prohibit this. Do you have any evidence to back this up? I'm going to play around with EFT later this evening and will confirm later myself as have to admit, I'm a little skeptical about Rise's claim that the Tempest can achieve greater EHP than all the other attacks BS's.

its odd that both of the minmatar ships are meant to be attack and yet are the heaviest in their class....
Apoc
-97100000kg

Mega
-98400000kg

Phoon
-100600000kg

Tempest
-101050000kg

And The Apoc really shouldn't be the lightest they should be closer to the Machariels 95mil kg

Sigh. What is the expectation? Shield Tempest in the Cane style? If you slap a MWD on a BS - it takes at least three cycles to get up to speed. The capacitor will only tolerate a minute and forty seconds with it on. When it takes close to 30 seconds to get up to speed - this isn't something you can pulse. If you need to go further then 50km and you don't have a cap booster - you're sunk. The Hurricane can pull it off because it has a jumbo sized capacitor to run cruiser modules. The Tempest doesn't get that perk. So again- what is the expectation?

Mids:
MWD
Cap booster
LSE
Adaptive or second LSE
Point

Insert hysterical laughing here.

Plus the 25mb drone buff on the stabber is not really a very good example if your trying to instill fear regarding CCP's ability to reiterate ships, as that is a really nice buff to the stabber.

You just keep makign the same mistake! The tempest is still LESS damage, LEss tank (due to wrse slot layout), LEss drones, Larger, more massive than typhoon.


The hange to agility is JOKE.. Almsot INSULTING to the community!

Tempest is completely and utterly outclassed by the typhoon ( and megatron and Hyperion for the matter).


It needs to weight LESS than the typhoon! Look athte face of those 2 things and tell me how in hell the typhoon can be lighter!!! The tempest is moslty made of SAILS!!

They will do their changes, and then they will wait until the meta to settle. Only problem is that the meta never settles in here. So changes will not be fast, and when they are faster than usual, it's 1 pg, 100 armor, or, well... drones.