Thank you for the Tempest. I think that some changes to the slot layout would immensely help the Tempest toward shield tanking. So that we have one Armor Attack BS (Typhoon) and one Shield Attack BS (Tempest).

Hey guys

We're going to post a few tweaks tomorrow based on feedback from all the threads, minmatar included.

To answer a couple things though -

I think the comparison between the raven and the typhoon is kind of surprising. Both ships will now be able to field 6 missile launchers, so they have that in common, but thats really where it stops. The typhoon is the fastest of all the battleships by a substantial margin. It has the fastest align time and fastest mwd speed of anything available. This strikes me as very 'minmatar'. Along with that, while its losing some of the extreme versatility it had before, it still supplies quite a few options both offensively and defensively, while the Raven is quite clearly a dedicated shield ship.

As for the tempest, I think what we are now looking at is having the tempest be part of the 'attack' category as well as the typhoon. It already behaves more or less like an attack ship, and maybe adding hp and increasing sig wasn't adding much to the overall ship. So we will likely bring the sig back down to near where it was before, take some of the hp back, and increase its speed slightly.

Both ships will still offer flexibility in the way they are used that is fairly unique to minmatar.

Check back for tweaks in the next couple days and keep the feedback coming =)

Yep, it seems that the lack of replies is "normal" for a thread with so few posts when compared to others.
(It also leads to concerns in how they are interpreting their so many ship statistics).

But that exact issue as been discusses in LOT'S of threads, and there are ZERO ccp responses about those concerns.
This Typhoon was expected to be honest, just look at the past Cyclone.

The Tempest is 'in line' with what they are doing to the Minmatar race traits lately.
The 10 years "survivor"... I think you finally killed it, gratz.

Additionally, you really don't need extra range on cruise missiles, and torpedoes desperately need the reduced explosion radius to get anywhere near their paper DPS.

Hey guys

We're going to post a few tweaks tomorrow based on feedback from all the threads, minmatar included.

To answer a couple things though -

I think the comparison between the raven and the typhoon is kind of surprising. Both ships will now be able to field 6 missile launchers, so they have that in common, but thats really where it stops. The typhoon is the fastest of all the battleships by a substantial margin. It has the fastest align time and fastest mwd speed of anything available. This strikes me as very 'minmatar'. Along with that, while its losing some of the extreme versatility it had before, it still supplies quite a few options both offensively and defensively, while the Raven is quite clearly a dedicated shield ship.

As for the tempest, I think what we are now looking at is having the tempest be part of the 'attack' category as well as the typhoon. It already behaves more or less like an attack ship, and maybe adding hp and increasing sig wasn't adding much to the overall ship. So we will likely bring the sig back down to near where it was before, take some of the hp back, and increase its speed slightly.

Both ships will still offer flexibility in the way they are used that is fairly unique to minmatar.

Check back for tweaks in the next couple days and keep the feedback coming =)

while the Raven is quite clearly a dedicated shield ship.

see what you said there? the raven is useless and the typhoon got everything on its side? why the hell would anyone even waste time on a ******* raven?

what? since when is the phoon a shield tanker? It can at the moment be tanked on shield and armour and in the future both tankvariants will be possible.

That said I dont like the new Phoon. Yes it will still be a good ship maybe even better than before but it loses a lot of that "swiss army knife" feeling. At the moment a phoon can be either tanked on shield(not very good but it can work) or on armour. It can either use torps or autocannons as main weapons and can use the other as support or can use the rest highslots to either use neuts or remote rep.

After those changes this variability isnt given anymore.

The Phoon's proposed new bonus is to explosion velocity, not explosion radius. As someone pointed out earlier, since torps are a short range weapon, targets are often in web range anyway so the explosion velocity bonus isn't as meaningful for torps as it is for cruise missiles.

Hey guys

As for the tempest, I think what we are now looking at is having the tempest be part of the 'attack' category as well as the typhoon. It already behaves more or less like an attack ship, and maybe adding hp and increasing sig wasn't adding much to the overall ship. So we will likely bring the sig back down to near where it was before, take some of the hp back, and increase its speed slightly.

Both ships will still offer flexibility in the way they are used that is fairly unique to minmatar.

Check back for tweaks in the next couple days and keep the feedback coming =)

I have no idea how people can say things like this when the ship ONLY got buffs, and quite a lot of them.
I swear, some people...

Good stuf

Maelstrom:

Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 8000 / 7500 / 700

That said, I generally figure that explosion radius and explosion velocity are still often pretty fungible with each other, and an armor Typhoon has enough mid slots it seems like it could easily fit a target painter along with tackle. (Although I'm half expecting you to inform me that I have no idea how to fit armor ships and they all need two cap boosters...)

I think the comparison between the raven and the typhoon is kind of surprising. Both ships will now be able to field 6 missile launchers, so they have that in common, but thats really where it stops. The typhoon is the fastest of all the battleships by a substantial margin. It has the fastest align time and fastest mwd speed of anything available. This strikes me as very 'minmatar'. Along with that, while its losing some of the extreme versatility it had before, it still supplies quite a few options both offensively and defensively, while the Raven is quite clearly a dedicated shield ship.

Don't really understand a lot of these changes. Most of these BS were reasonably balanced as CCP have said previously. But now your making fairly large changes to many of them that don't stand them out in clear roles? Surely in removing tiers you should start with their roles. Given that most of them are fairly well balanced, the obvious thing to do would be to define them like:

Abbadon (Combat BS)
Apocalypse (Odd duck)
Armageddon (Attack BS)

Rohk (Combat BS)
Raven (Attack BS)
Scorpion (Odd duck)

Hyperion (Combat BS)
Megathron (Attack BS)
Dominix (Odd Duck)

Maelstrom (Combat BS)
Tempest (Attack BS)
Typhoon (Odd duck)

As most of them fall into those roles as is. You've stated else where you want to keep the Scorpion in it's current role which is good. If your keeping the odd duck in the BS line, then why not redefine the Domi and Typhoon into the same odd duck role. Call them utility BS or whatever. The point is you then nicely have a combat and attack BS in each race. It also enables you to keep random utility that the domi and phoon have that people love because you can be so creative with their fits. It feels like at the moment your not comfortable with a proper "attack" BS because BS are meant to be heavy and slow (contrary to an "attack" role), so your having to compensate by mixing other things up like slot layout and bonuses which is making things less balanced.

The amaar BS is slightly more awkward as there is so much overlap between the 3 ships, but I don't think that many people think that's a problem. I refer to the Apoc as the odd duck as I would make that even more so a deadicated sniper, buff the speed on the Geddon to distinguish it from the Abbadon.

It seems like what you've got at the moment isn't very coherent or balanced.

I admit that I may have exaggerated a bit with the rant (maybe trying to provoke a dev comment somehow).
Anyway, we all are entitled to have an opinion (good or bad), and I always saw the Tempest as an attack battleship, not combat. Yes, lot's of the ship attributes were increased, size included, but all those changes seemed to have a lack of direction, I honestly don't see nothing good coming out of it since we already have the maelstrom.

Anyway, I really hope that the next iteration of Tempest as an attack battleship is better than this one.
Let's see tomorrow how it goes.

Lets face it CCP are already doing this with the Scorpion, so why not let us keep the 'phoon?

I have no idea how people can say things like this when the ship ONLY got buffs, and quite a lot of them.

I swear, some people...

Hmm. Looking forward to see the next iteration of changes. Will be funny to see the whine threads that result from minmatar having two attack BS. (Because you KNOW they will eventually come...)

WOOOOHOOOO attack Tempest!

Minmatar ships are made for skirmish warfare, hit'n run, not brawling.

The tempest has both low tank and low dps: at least give it speed, agility and low sig.

I am far from opposed to having a fast, missile spamming minmatar battleship, but jamming the typhoon into this role, but none of its traditional flexibility left is not so good. You should also acknowledge that speed dose nothing for its uses it in a PvE or fleet role, which are more common uses than your post seems to imply you realize.