I LOVE EVE and I chose to play a race (Minmatar) because they do guns and fire lumps of metal around the sky.

Stop levelling the playing field..... If I want to shoot missiles I'll train and buy Caldari Already feeling aggrieved at the loss of my Cyclone AC fit mini beast

Soon the only reason to choose a race on a new character will be the colour scheme of the ships ! Bah humbug


I'm not saying tweaks and squeaks aren't needed to maintain a balanced game but if you remove individuality of the race why have them :P

So, after a lot more thinking... No matter how much you try to get around it, the typhoon is nothing but a big bellicose, so might as well make it a proper disruption BS. Amarr got theirs, so I see no reason why the Typhoon couldn't be the Minmatar one.

Changes to suggested typhoon:
- remove ALL drones
- add another medium slot
- add target painter bonus instead of explosion velocity
- add racial damage bonus

Suggested tempest changes:
- remove all drones
- add another low slot
- rebalance medium range t1 projectile ammo

Find shameless link to my "minmatar flavor" post below for more background on these suggestions:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=225308&find=unread

The problem with this suggestion is that BS always have to be equipped with at least a modest bandwidth for light drones to take out frigates. Also following your suggestions there would mean that Caldari ships would have more drones that Minmatar ones. In terms of drone superiority it should go; Gallente > Amarr > Minmatar > Caldari.

I like your idea for the Typhoon though except for the drone part. Give it a target painter bonus, and then remove the high slot and swap it for another mid slot. Then Tempest can become the new ultra versatile phoon, and Typhoon becomes a different beast altogether.

As i seen some more people suggested this change for typhoon and I think it's a good way to go to change explosion velocity bonus to some target painter bonus (optimal, amount?!), so it is more usefull for whole fleet.

I like your idea for the Typhoon though except for the drone part. Give it a target painter bonus, and then remove the high slot and swap it for another mid slot. Then Tempest can become the new ultra versatile phoon, and Typhoon becomes a different beast altogether.

Then Tempest can become the new ultra versatile phoon,

As i seen some more people suggested this change for typhoon and I think it's a good way to go to change explosion velocity bonus to some target painter bonus (optimal, amount?!), so it is more usefull for whole fleet.

Another option would always be to give tempest antoher 600 PG and give it a 7th turret slot. After all an ATTACK battleship with 2 of its bonuses focuse don damage.. deserves to be deadly :P I woudl not evne care if its badnwidth was reduced to 25 m to compensate.

But the previous post ide is not bad as well.

The Tempest already has a full rack of weapons. Players using the last two slots for things other than missiles is not the fault of the developers. MInmatar have always been a split weapon race.

Tempest:

Retaining it's super low BC signature radius, the new 7/6/6 Tempest trades the utility of the 2nd neutrialiser - on a ship known to be light on capacitor- for improved performance as a shield tanker, as well as increased flexibility, unpredictability and damage projection with armour as well as an additional drone.

From target painters, dual prop/dual webs, tracking computers or ecm, the unprecedented 6/6 mid/low slot layout exemplifies more than ever, the ad-hoc minimatar philosophy and despite the lower than average hit points, operational speed, utility and damage projection profiles whilst shield or armour fitted allows the Tempest to compete in ways no other battleship really does.

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret rate of fire
+5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret damage

Slot layout: 7H, 6M, 6L; 6 turrets , 4 launchers
Fittings: 16000 PWG(+500), 570 CPU (+20)
Defence (shields / armor / hull) : 6500 / 7000 / 6500 (reduce shield regen speed by 20%)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 5400(+87.5) / 1154s / 4.68
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 120 / .12 / 101000000(-2300000) / 16.81s(-.37s)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 100 / 125
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 67.5km(+5k) / 100 / 7
Sensor strength: 20 Ladar Sensor Strength(+1)
Signature radius: 340(0)

yeah agreed tempest dhould be 4 turrets 4 missile turrets.

The more times i read the post, the more I think the minmatar don't really need any rebalancing...

Im sorry but I believe the Typhoon should remain a split weapon 125 bandwidth ship. I loved how it was a jack of all trades and I could fit it for any PvP or PvE situations. What you have proposed now just seems underwhelming and too much like a cookie cutter type ship. Even though the turret slots are still there you would be stupid now to fit turrets as you would do **** for damage with them.

A 5 mid slot shield tank is terrible, 6 mid slot shield tank is viable. Given that you'll have 6 lows to play with, (which could be used for nanos/overdrives/TE's/etc etc) it gives it something different over the other 6 mid slot shield tanker...

I'd certainly argue the extra mid slot +drones adds more than that extra high slot, especially outside of 1v1 land.

Tempest:

Retaining it's super low BC signature radius, the new 7/6/6 Tempest trades the utility of the 2nd neutrialiser - on a ship known to be light on capacitor- for improved performance as a shield tanker, as well as increased flexibility, unpredictability and damage projection with armour as well as an additional drone.

From target painters, dual prop/dual webs, tracking computers or ecm, the unprecedented 6/6 mid/low slot layout exemplifies more than ever, the ad-hoc minimatar philosophy and despite the lower than average hit points, operational speed, utility and damage projection profiles whilst shield or armour fitted allows the Tempest to compete in ways no other battleship really does.

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret rate of fire
+5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret damage

Slot layout: 7H, 6M, 6L; 6 turrets , 4 launchers
Fittings: 16000 PWG(+500), 570 CPU (+20)
Defence (shields / armor / hull) : 6500 / 7000 / 6500 (reduce shield regen speed by 20%)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 5400(+87.5) / 1154s / 4.68
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 120 / .12 / 101000000(-2300000) / 16.81s(-.37s)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 100 / 125
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 67.5km(+5k) / 100 / 7
Sensor strength: 20 Ladar Sensor Strength(+1)
Signature radius: 340(0)

At the end of the day, you're better off in a Maelstrom.

An armor tank is still superior with 6 lows, but would now be ridiculous with an EXTRA ewar slot in the mids.
The Scorpion only has 8 slots and it needs to do EVERYTHING with them.

The Tempest already has a full rack of weapons. Players using the last two slots for things other than missiles is not the fault of the developers. MInmatar have always been a split weapon race.