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Veshta Yoshida PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 603	Posted - 2013.04.16 14:11:00 - [31] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: Look forward to hearing your feedback, as always Rise Damn Icelandic flagellants! You can start by reading through the player made thread Battleship Missile debates for Odyssey. We took the liberty of getting the party started, hoe you don't mind.
Gilbaron Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda 851	Posted - 2013.04.16 14:14:00 - [32] - Quote brb, buying phoons and ravens We are recruiting german-speaking PVP players, contact me :) Malcanis - CSM 8
TheFace Asano Deadly Execution 5	Posted - 2013.04.16 14:14:00 - [33] - Quote This is really going to make the new typhoon shine with its explosion velocity bonus. The Raven will hopefully be able to shine somehow, cruise is now at least looking viable, and the missiles will get to target much faster with the Raven. I am going to agree that we should probably get more velocity and less flight time. Cruise should be fastest missiles by far.
Burseg Sardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 271	Posted - 2013.04.16 14:14:00 - [34] - Quote I was kind of hoping the missiles would be equipped with mini-jump drives. If a target is anywhere from 50-250 KM away, the missiles could "jump" the gap, in an attempt to keep the travel time at 5 seconds or something, no matter the distance. THAT would be cool. Hey, as a dude that lives in lowsec, you should read my idea on how to "fix" it... in Blog format, complete with a spreadsheet! http://3xxxd.blogspot.com/2012/09/how-to-buff-lowsec.html
Skia Aumer Atlas Research Group Aerodyne Collective 0	Posted - 2013.04.16 14:15:00 - [35] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: Please keep in mind this change is not comprehensive. Following Odyssey, we hope to do more work to improve the missile systems in EVE by potentially adding new modules and/or interactions. Look forward to hearing your feedback, as always Rise All I can see - is one more step to make every weapon systems similar. And there is a further promised step in a form of missile TE/TC/TD. VERY UN-INVENTIVE AND BORING. I have suggested to implement a bonus to damage which increases with flight time. That would be interesting and distinctive. But looks like you're too conservative in things that need revolution, and too vice versa.
Sparkus Volundar Applied Creations The Fendahlian Collective 42	Posted - 2013.04.16 14:20:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: 10% increase in signature resolution for all Cruise Missiles Explosion Radius? Applied Creations is recruiting. Mystic Volundar says, "It could be you! "
Smoking Blunts ZC Industries Dark Stripes 395	Posted - 2013.04.16 14:25:00 - [37] - Quote any chance you can either up the explosion velocity and / or decrease explosion radius a bit? anything that is moving mitigates lots of damage, this would actually help apply that extra damage a bit OMG when can i get a pic here
Jonas Sukarala Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 88	Posted - 2013.04.16 14:30:00 - [38] - Quote Sparkus Volundar wrote: CCP Rise wrote: 10% increase in signature resolution for all Cruise Missiles Explosion Radius? I imagine this means the size of the missile itself ... easier to intercept and destroy. 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place..... where is the TD missile change?-á ,...projectiles should use capacitor.
Gypsio III Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 632	Posted - 2013.04.16 14:32:00 - [39] - Quote No, it's quite obviously the explosion radius.
Michael Harari Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 558	Posted - 2013.04.16 14:33:00 - [40] - Quote Missile launchers dont have a sig resolution - the ammo has explosion velocity and explosion radius. Which one did you mean, and did you mean it as a buff or nerf against small/fast targets?

Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction Whores in space 146	Posted - 2013.04.16 14:34:00 - [41] - Quote Smoking Blunts wrote: any chance you can either up the explosion velocity and / or decrease explosion radius a bit? anything that is moving mitigates lots of damage, this would actually help apply that extra damage a bit The idea is exaclty that movign thigs take less damage. ITs same as with turrets. The difference is... missiles is constant independent of distance and direction. Missiles do less damage then best care turret scenario but do more than worst case of turrets.
Seranova Farreach Friendship is Missles 442	Posted - 2013.04.16 14:34:00 - [42] - Quote Destoya wrote: Seems like a very big buff and a significant step towards making cruises viable weapons outside of L4 missions I do already have some concerns over the relative strength of the turtle-tanking Golem teams that have been used very frequently in the past alliance tournaments and the SCL, but if we can see people start to use fleet comps like ravens or navy scorpions in "real EVE" the benefits far outweigh a change in the AT meta iv watched the AT and past 3 years iv not seen any turtle tanking golems.
Smoking Blunts ZC Industries Dark Stripes 396	Posted - 2013.04.16 14:37:00 - [43] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Smoking Blunts wrote: any chance you can either up the explosion velocity and / or decrease explosion radius a bit? anything that is moving mitigates lots of damage, this would actually help apply that extra damage a bit The idea is exaclty that movign thigs take less damage. ITs same as with turrets. The difference is... missiles is constant independent of distance and direction. Missiles do less damage then best care turret scenario but do more than worst case of turrets. I do get that, but currently if a bs (let alone anything smaller) is even slightly moving much of the dps is lost. even with more dps it will still fail to be applied. I mean you could make each launcher do 1000 dps. but that buff is pointless if the missle still hits doing only a few % of that dps. OMG when can i get a pic here
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 4582	Posted - 2013.04.16 14:37:00 - [44] - Quote Daneel Trevize wrote: Medium rail-guns. Medium rail-guns? Medium rail-guns! Medium rail-guns, medium rail-guns, medium rail-guns! MEDIUM RAIL-GUNS I think you missed something before BS-sized weapons... Or medium beam lasers. Malcanis for CSM 8 Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 206	Posted - 2013.04.16 14:49:00 - [45] - Quote Is there more not-ships stuff planned for Odyssey? I remember in the frigate thread that something to make rifters better or light missile kiting worse might happen. I'm fine with minmatar being awful, but light missile kiting does upset me.
Callic Veratar Power of the Phoenix 349	Posted - 2013.04.16 14:49:00 - [46] - Quote Seranova Farreach wrote: iv watched the AT and past 3 years iv not seen any turtle tanking golems. The fight was in the New Eden Open but unfortunately since own3d.tv is gone, the videos aren't currently online. DirectX 11, it's not rocket appliance!
0wl Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 28	Posted - 2013.04.16 14:52:00 - [47] - Quote Hmm, I'm not convinced adding my dmg and ROF is the way forward with the cruise missiles. The biggest problem I find with them is thier inability to apply the dmg they already have. increased explosion velocity might have been better. A cruiser moving at normal speed, with no prop mod and you still only do 100 dmg to it, where as BS sized guns would be smacking it for almost full dmg. Range and missile speed have never really been the issue
Psihius S-DNK U.C.F. Alliance 31	Posted - 2013.04.16 14:55:00 - [48] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: bla bla bla ... 10% increase in signature resolution for all Cruise Missiles[/b] ... Rise Missiles do not have a Signature Resolution parameter, so this is eighter Exsplosion Velocity or Explosion Radius. Please clarify, it makes people nervous :)
Sparkus Volundar Applied Creations The Fendahlian Collective 42	Posted - 2013.04.16 14:57:00 - [49] - Quote Michael Harari wrote: Missile launchers dont have a sig resolution - the ammo has explosion velocity and explosion radius. Which one did you mean, and did you mean it as a buff or nerf against small/fast targets? He refers to it being a balance against improvements so it is likely to be an increase to explosion radius. CCP Rise wrote: These two improvements will be balanced by an increase in power grid need for the launchers, and a small signature resolution increase for the missiles. Applied Creations is recruiting. Mystic Volundar says, "It could be you! "

CCP Rise C C P C C P Alliance 553	Posted - 2013.04.16 15:02:00 - [50] - Quote Hey sorry for the signature radius typo. It was meant to be explosion radius. Always getting my radii confused! It is indeed an increase, which means that more of the damage will be mitigated by size. This will of course be more than offset by the increase in base damage, but the idea is that the performance increase will be more substantial for larger targets.


Steve Spooner Mordu's Military Industrial Command Circle-Of-Two 36	Posted - 2013.04.16 15:03:00 - [51] - Quote CCP you have made my summer Christmas perfect! <3
Senatrop Surreal Academy Enemy . Unknown 0	Posted - 2013.04.16 15:03:00 - [52] - Quote del
Iranite Krautz WH Exploration and Production 0	Posted - 2013.04.16 15:06:00 - [53] - Quote This... is about way more than I wished for, this... is what we get. Awesome. Thank you!
Michael Harari Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 558	Posted - 2013.04.16 15:06:00 - [54] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: Hey sorry for the signature radius typo. It was meant to be explosion radius. Always getting my radii confused! It is indeed an increase, which means that more of the damage will be mitigated by size. This will of course be more than offset by the increase in base damage, but the idea is that the performance increase will be more substantial for larger targets. Did you mean for this to be a nerf against small targets, or a buff?
Gypsio III Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 633	Posted - 2013.04.16 15:07:00 - [55] - Quote Quote: These two improvements will be balanced by an increase in power grid need for the launchers, and a small explosion radius increase for the missiles. Reading is difficult, it seems.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 4586	Posted - 2013.04.16 15:07:00 - [56] - Quote Michael Harari wrote: CCP Rise wrote: Hey sorry for the signature radius typo. It was meant to be explosion radius. Always getting my radii confused! It is indeed an increase, which means that more of the damage will be mitigated by size. This will of course be more than offset by the increase in base damage, but the idea is that the performance increase will be more substantial for larger targets. Did you mean for this to be a nerf against small targets, or a buff? "It is indeed an increase, which means that more of the damage will be mitigated by size." Not hard to figure out what he meant there. Malcanis for CSM 8 Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix
Skia Aumer Atlas Research Group Aerodyne Collective 0	Posted - 2013.04.16 15:10:00 - [57] - Quote Iranite wrote: This... is about way more than I wished for, this... is what we get. Awesome. Thank you! Could you explain what's awesome in turning Cruise missiles into Railguns?
Mister Vee Magellanic Itg Goonswarm Federation 31	Posted - 2013.04.16 15:11:00 - [58] - Quote if firewall doesn't get nerfed to **** you may aswell give them infinite volley damage, because in no relevant fight will they ever hit anything
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 4586	Posted - 2013.04.16 15:14:00 - [59] - Quote Mister Vee wrote: if firewall doesn't get nerfed to **** you may aswell give them infinite volley damage, because in no relevant fight will they ever hit anything How come this didn't apply to Drakes or Tengus? Honest question. Malcanis for CSM 8 Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix
Caitlyn Tufy Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 239	Posted - 2013.04.16 15:16:00 - [60] - Quote Righty, one by one: 5% increased rate of fire for all Cruise Missile Launchers 25% increase in base damage for all Cruise Missiles Way more than I expected, tbh. Only problem I see: Rof means a rof bonused ship will go through cargo even faster and missiles are pretty large to carry around in the first place. Perhaps consider reducing the size of missiles? 200 added power grid need for all Cruise Missile launchers Raven has plenty of grid to fit this, so you're likely trying to make cruises harder to fit as a secondary weapon, as they're fairly strong slot by slot. Acceptable. 10% increase in explosion radius for all Cruise Missiles I don't think this was needed, considering cruises already have issues with hitting the smaller targets. It makes swapping between missile types even more important and thus even more tedious. Still, not THAT big a deal. [b]4700m/sec base missile velocity for all Cruise Missiles (up from 3750m/sec) 14 second base flight time for all Cruise Missiles (down from 20 seconds)[b] Speed increase, flight time decrease. Perfect, a very, very, welcome change.



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