i would like to post my opinion.

PvE
The Dmg from fury cruise was fine for PvE [I use a Navy Raven], because its a long range weapon system. It does about 700 DPS, but to apply your dps you need 3 rigs and a TP [mostly used for smaller targets]. Compared to Torpedos, which do about 900-1000 dps, at about 45KM-70KM range [with 3 range rigs, and no rage ammo] Cruise was fine. If i want more dmg, then i need to use torps, but because they have low range i cant use Rage ammo, so im stuck with normal ammo or Javelins for longer range.

After this change my Navy Raven Cruise-Fit will do about 1000 DPS too, the same DPS as Torps fitted for long range. There is no advantage to use Torps anymore.

@Rise
If you want the Torps to be competitive in PvE then increase the range and reduce the Rage penalty's from the Torps.

PvP
I usually dont pvp, but i cant image them beeing better now.

Specifically:

5% increased rate of fire for all Cruise Missile Launchers
200 added power grid need for all Cruise Missile launchers

4700m/sec base missile velocity for all Cruise Missiles (up from 3750m/sec)
14 second base flight time for all Cruise Missiles (down from 20 seconds)
25% increase in base damage for all Cruise Missiles
10% increase in explosion radius for all Cruise Missiles

Torps at close range against BC's and BS will still easily out DPS Cruise Missiles with similar TP / Web setups. Torps could do with some extra range though.

...so you see Cruise Fury will do the same DPS as Torpedos.

Specifically:

5% increased rate of fire for all Cruise Missile Launchers
200 added power grid need for all Cruise Missile launchers

4700m/sec base missile velocity for all Cruise Missiles (up from 3750m/sec)
14 second base flight time for all Cruise Missiles (down from 20 seconds)
25% increase in base damage for all Cruise Missiles
10% increase in explosion radius for all Cruise Missiles

there is no close range in PvE. The only BS-Rats are the Angel and some Serpentis, which come close, the other NPC's usually stay at 40+ KM. See yourself:

http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/npc_ships.php

Lets do same Math. I will compare the Dmg from Cruise Fury and normal Torps, because i cant use Rage Ammo in a Range-Fit. because i dont have the proper rigs fitted. I wont apply the skills for this example because both weapon system would get the same Bonus, so i can just skip it.

Base Stats:
Cruise Dmg: 300 [current stats] / 300 * 1.25 = 375 [After the patch]
Cruise Fury Dmg: 375 * 1.4 = 525
Torpedo Dmg: 450
Cruise Cycle [T2 luncher]: 17.6 [current stats] / 17.6 * 0.95 = 16.72 [After the patch]
Torpedo Cycle [T2 luncher]: 14.4

14.4 / 16.72 = 0.861244

450 / 0.861244 = 522.5 < 525

so you see Cruise Fury will do the same DPS as Torpedos.

5% increased rate of fire for all Cruise Missile Launchers

25% increase in base damage for all Cruise Missiles
10% increase in explosion radius for all Cruise Missiles

Like Bombs I guess.

The missiles though are guided, bombs are not, if you warp off grid there would be no guidance system and the missiles would miss.

You could change it so that the missiles continue on their current trajectory if you warp out but considering they would likely miss I dont think it would be worth the dev's time to implement the change.

Also it's very ironic that CCP rebalanced heavy missiles so that they match DPS of long range turrets and now gives cruise missiles 2x damage of large long turrets

mm... its damage does seem a bit much and doesn't really address the main problem of cruise missiles...

I agree with your statement, Cruise Fury did always good DPS, but it was to hard to apply this damage, even harder in PvP.

And by the sounds of it these will obsolete the current torps with similar stats besides the extra range how is this fixing anything?

Why is always the Caldari State pilots that make these terrible posts?

actually these are mainly minmatar spies, just look at matar bs topic

CCP Rise, as the owner of 2 Caldari pilots with over 12M SP in missiles on one of them, I like those changes very much as they even go beyond my wildest dreams !

With those changes, I think we'll start seeing more Typhoon/Raven fleet concepts, which is great of course as it brings diversity

Once torps are fixed, I think we can safely say "Large Missiles are fixed".

Personally I'd still like to see missiles that are still in flight when their target is destroyed auto switch to the next target you have locked up. Of course they might not have the range left to make it to that target, but it would mean that a lot of those "wasted" volleys would still do some good... leaving the initial travel time delay as the main drawback to long range missile use.

Obviously this would be a very powerful change and would have to be carefully considered. Especially since it would likely mean that a missile boat could simply leave his missile launchers on during a fight, and as long as he had targets locked (and in the order he wanted them) he would be constantly spewing out effective damage.

You're arguing that "Cruise isn't fixed because torps haven't been changed" and you're assuming that it's impossible that torps will be changed, even though CCP has stated that they will be looked at.

Why is always the Caldari State pilots that make these terrible posts?

CCP Rise
I would suggest for Cruises
- nerf the ROF of cruises and increase damage so they do similar damage as arties
-nerf flight time in exchange for more velocity
-nerf range

For torps
- increase explosion velocity
-nerf ROF torps can do plenty of damage just need better tracking is all
-nerf torp range by 2km


P.s nerf rockets and HAMS whilst you're at it they have twice the range they ought too for there size.
TD changes to missiles anytime soon perhaps?

There are 2 things Torps should have buffed: Range via velocity and reduced size so you can load more.

You should have at least 30-40 torps in your launcher. Compared to other short range weapons 20 torps is a very small amount.
ACs have 120 rounds and 3x faster rate of fire, so if you compare the fair sizes it will be 40 projectiles vs 20 torps.
Blasers have 80 rounds and 2x faster rate of fire, again 40.

As for the range, it is obvious Torps need more range since they have enough drawbacks already.

No offence, but stupid post is stupid. In your order:

Cruise ROF is fine - leave it alone
Increased velocity in exchange for decreased range may be OK, but I don't want range nerfed too hard. I like being able to project 1000 DPS over 100 KM.
Do not nerf range in general. Leave it alone.

I agree that Torps should have increased velocity
Do not nerf ROF - leave it alone
Do not nerf range - this is the stupidest suggestion in your entire post. Torp range is already completely ****. It should be increased to match that of Stealth Bombers IMHO.

If you buff the dmg torps can out DPS anything if they can hit for 100%.

if you buff range, then its easy to reach 45KM+ [well if you have all range Skills at 5 and Cadari BS at 5, you could reach 60KM maybe?]

And? 45KM is a nice range for Torps. That's what their range should be increased to as far as a Golem is concerned.

[quote]If you buff explosion velocity, it will be "too easy" to apply more DPS.

do you not realise how OP it is if cruises and torps can do as much damage if not more than blasterboats do with their tiny range where is the balance there?

The balance is already stupidly weighted towards Projectiles. Either a Mach or a Vargur will p*ss all over a CNR or Golem for mission completion times. CMs and Torps need at least to be brought up to that level, I'm not asking for them to exceed it.

The point of re-balancing them is for pvp use primarily not pve and projectiles are getting nerfed with the TE changes and i expect those hulls will get range nerfed too but thats more to do with their tracking and mobility rather than the damage.

Could SBs get their cruise missiles bonus again?