So, as a few of you have mentioned, damage application is one of the biggest obstacles for missiles. I completely agree, but I don't want to solve this problem through Cruise Missiles as a system. I have other ideas for dealing with it, unfortunately they will likely not make it in for Odyssey.

With those changes, I think we'll start seeing more Typhoon/Raven fleet concepts, which is great of course as it brings diversity

Is there more not-ships stuff planned for Odyssey? I remember in the frigate thread that something to make rifters better or light missile kiting worse might happen. I'm fine with minmatar being awful, but light missile kiting does upset me.

Why should fleetcoms prefer Cruise over Rails? Raven over Rokh?
Switchable damage type - alright, but is that all? Not too much considering their drawbacks: delayed volley, damage application, firewall.
But indeed, they are good for PVE now.

Oh boy, an explosion radius increase.

Please, PLEASE let this thing not be so much as to make the Raven permanently fit a target painter in it's seventh med slot regardless of weapon choice. I don't want the Raven to have to depend on this module to do damage. Other than that, things look... Pretty solid, actually. And now we wait eagerly for the torpedo changes.

I understand need of balance when it comes to pvp but when we speak of pve.. Everyone already want to fly tengu.. After this everyone want to fly raven and golem. This is really frustrating. Please give people more choices to fly in pve and dont force everyone to fly caldari crap.

All improved now, but yes we'll have to see if the increased speed allows a significant amount of damage to slip past a firewall now.

So, as a few of you have mentioned, damage application is one of the biggest obstacles for missiles. I completely agree, but I don't want to solve this problem through Cruise Missiles as a system. I have other ideas for dealing with it, unfortunately they will likely not make it in for Odyssey.

Even if they do, I'd consider this more like an exploit, rather than intended operation.
While rails are inherently immune to such things and hit instantly. So what's the reason?

Maybe this is the way should be - cruise missile will only be usable in PVE. There are weapons that are useless in PVE - blasters - so that would be a kind of symmetry. If that fair enough?

Please keep in mind this change is not comprehensive. Following Odyssey, we hope to do more work to improve the missile systems in EVE by potentially adding new modules and/or interactions.

Look forward to hearing your feedback, as always
Rise

Even if they do, I'd consider this more like an exploit, rather than intended operation.
While rails are inherently immune to such things and hit instantly. So what's the reason?

Maybe this is the way should be - cruise missile will only be usable in PVE. There are weapons that are useless in PVE - blasters - so that would be a kind of symmetry. If that fair enough?

Why dont you just make target painters viable, instead of "other ideas" ?

Could you do this with making caldari more power as they already are. Most flown t3 is tengu everyone want tengu. Everyone flown drake. Soon its everyone flown raven. I am seriously worried that my eve experience after odyssye is going to deep garbage. You are making too many hard changes for one update. I would personally tell my friends to wait for over this expansion because you will be dealing with lot of balancing issues after this update. There are too many changes to the old working eve that I enjoy.

Yes please buff the faction that already is one of the most viable source of money. Highsec, lowsec.. You can make their ships also invulnerable and don't forget scramble immunity.

Could you do this with making caldari more power as they already are. Most flown t3 is tengu everyone want tengu. Everyone flown drake. Soon its everyone flown raven. I am seriously worried that my eve experience after odyssye is going to deep garbage. You are making too many hard changes for one update. I would personally tell my friends to wait for over this expansion because you will be dealing with lot of balancing issues after this update. There are too many changes to the old working eve that I enjoy.

Yes please buff the faction that already is one of the most viable source of money. Highsec, lowsec.. You can make their ships also invulnerable and don't forget scramble immunity.

CCP Rise: Any comments at least on whether you have Torpedo changes coming too? Or is this Cruise Missiles only?

Good changes.....


But completely worthless when it comes to long range PVP.


1: Any ship on grid can be scanned down in 5 sec.
2: Caldari in general is the slowest locking race in EVE.
3: Missiles will take over 10 sec to reach target.


Combine that and you have a very cool concept on paper, until you take probes into account. And you realize that you are scanned, pointed and going down in a ball of fire before your missiles have even started doing any damage.



For this to actually be worth anything, CCP need to change the scanning mechanic.

And no, increasing" warp to" range on grid to 250km does not fix it. As anyone with half a brain will just be loitering just outside grid and wait for stupid people coming in at range.


TL:DR

Cool on paper, worthless in reality, until CCP fix the 5 sec scantime to get warp ins.

Seems like my worries came true and CCP went the lazy route with large missile changes...
Buff damage and speed to them so everyone is happy but in turn make them even more hard to apply damage.

Sorry but i was hoping for some changes that would make them more different from other weapon systems, but seems like the gap is instead closing even more with soon instant flying missiles using TE's and affected by TD's?

iv watched the AT and past 3 years iv not seen any turtle tanking golems.

A 14 second flight time isn't really "instant".

I wasn't talking about after these changes but where we are heading with this kind of changes. These changes still won't fix the pvp problems with them which results at some point with even more speed added and more and more until they are almost instant.