10% increase in explosion radius for all Cruise Missiles

Rise

Is there some reason you found it necessary to make their already horrible damage application to smaller targets even worse?

Specifically:

5% increased rate of fire for all Cruise Missile Launchers
200 added power grid need for all Cruise Missile launchers

4700m/sec base missile velocity for all Cruise Missiles (up from 3750m/sec)
14 second base flight time for all Cruise Missiles (down from 20 seconds)
25% increase in base damage for all Cruise Missiles
10% increase in explosion radius for all Cruise Missiles

Please keep in mind this change is not comprehensive. Following Odyssey, we hope to do more work to improve the missile systems in EVE by potentially adding new modules and/or interactions.

Look forward to hearing your feedback, as always
Rise

Is there some reason you found it necessary to make their already horrible damage application to smaller targets even worse?

450 on 100km. not as much as raven. But it faster, and agile, and can use cover cloak.
Cann't do a thing at armed POS, but if pos armed, i prefer better army than Ravens.

And finally, I'm somewhat baffled by the argument that I was looking for surprise damage in a gate fight. What I was actually doing was looking for a way to apply 700+ DPS from outside of anyone's effective engagement range - and potentially from outside the engagement range of the sentries. I've always felt that the 400 DPS of a sniper nado felt kinda weak when plinking away at Rokhs and Abaddons, but maybe you have better luck than I do. :)

Like i said earlier. This is EFT dps on large static object.

Large sig radius, no resistance bonus, not a very big buffer tank. Not the ideal ship you wanna throw into a head to head engagement against a coordinated turret fit BS fleet...

Hey, thanks for getting back to me so quickly.

I just want to make sure that I understand you correctly. You'd rather assault an unarmed POS with a 450 DPS Bomber than a 1150 DPS Raven because the Bomber can use a covops cloak? I can see why you'd want to attack an armed POS with something better than the Raven. I've always been a fan of laser ships myself, but I'm not aware of any laser ships that can project 1000 DPS to 150km. I suppose you can argue that you just want to hug the POS shield and use close range ammo, but even then you're probably looking at losing a fair amount to resists.

I admit that I don't fully understand your reasoning, but you've already illustrated your far superior knowledge of the game by categorically dismissing any possible PVP use case of the Raven.



Oh I see. You somehow think that we don't know what a Warp Disruptor is. I can see why you'd make that mistake, given that we're Heretic Army. It's kinda a new module to us given the years of Orca camping, but we're coming around to learning how to use it. Someone once told me that I can fit a warp disruptor to a tanky battlecruiser or battleship and warp it to the gate and tackle whoever's on it. May be hearsay, but I kinda want to try it some time!

Another crazy thing that I thought was that Cruise would actually do pretty good DPS to battleships and battlecruisers. There's this one extremely rare PVE-only ship called "The Drake" that would take full damage of 840 DPS from a Raven at 200km.

Another crazy thing is that it appears that a somewhat common PVE-only ship named "The Drake" will take full damage from the Raven and Typhoon. It looks like most Battlecruisers will too, and cruisers like the Vexor and Maller can expect to take ~500 DPS or so. Another really weird thing that I thought was that the Tornado had a 17 second cycle time or something.

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong but the damage outlay for the first 60 seconds should look something like this:
Tornado: T0 6552
Raven: T16 5126
Raven: T22 10252
Tornado: T17 13104
Raven: T28 15378
Tornado: T34 19656
Raven: T34 20504
Raven: T40 25630
Raven: T46 30756
Tornado: T51 26208
Raven: T52 35882
Raven: T58 41008

It's almost like if the target is a BC or BS then the Tornado permanently falls behind at T=40, but ... well, that's just ~mathy stuff~ I guess. :)



Oh cool. Large, static objects... like battlecruisers. Got it.

-Liang

Ed: I'm going to bed. Good night. :)

Why dont you just make target painters viable, instead of "other ideas" ?

Everyone is talking about Raven, but imo phoon benefits more
it has:
1. ability to fit massive tank, making it better for fleets
2. much better damage projection due to explosion velocity bonus.

as for the range, last few years of eve history proves that extreme ranges are not important. Rokh always could go damage at 250km, but even in fleet doctrines that had them, you could see fits for ~120 km

Liang is suggesting that because damage is boosted so much, Raven will occupy role of a long range damage dealer. i don't think it will, but let's see.

We have to remember that usually Cruise Missiles are not supposed to be for ship to ship battles. In RL like the tomahawks they are used to shoot land targets or 'structures' mainly. They not used for moving targets.

So its not really a PVP tool is it. However we used to have the TASM which was an anti ship missile and this is exactly what we need in eve. A NEW Cruise Missile specifically designed for PVP.

They should still be only shooting large ships, but have much much more velocity and perhaps not as much DPS. I know we have rage and precision cruise but I still dont think they are PVP based missiles as they dont have enough velocity.

The changes to say 14 seconds just does nothing to help this. Seriously 14 seconds to hit a target in PVP. Forget it. I know thats base but still.

This. Cruise missiles will be 100% useless and unused in pvp unless a pvp specific version is created with enough velocity that it can fly 200km in 1-2 seconds.

Agree. Moreover you should be able to use them without the Painters.
Not only you can't use painters on a long range, but also they have a long cycle time so switching targets will be a pain in the a$$.

Sure, and if you're trying to use the Raven against fleets that are big enough to have a dedicated covops traveling with them.... well, then maybe you shouldn't use a Raven. That doesn't make it not useful. And hell - the Raven's fully capable of dropping out 900 DPS up close if someone were to warp their fleet on top of them.

-Liang

This. Cruise missiles will be 100% useless and unused in pvp unless a pvp specific version is created with enough velocity that it can fly 200km in 1-2 seconds.

it would need a change of game mechanics. But what I think would make peopel satisfied woudl be if a cruise missile could be fired.. the raven could warp out .... and the missile fired would still hit and damage the target. That could lead to some interesting tactics

Agree. Moreover you should be able to use them without the Painters.
Not only you can't use painters on a long range, but also they have a long cycle time so switching targets will be a pain in the a$$.

Painters are, imo, the price for having a 0--max range effective fighting zone with no degradation.

I DO agree on the cycle time though.

So you should be able to use Guns without Tracking Computers as well then? And perhaps they should remove the cap requirement for Hybrids and Energy weapons as well?

That is basically what you are saying right? Each weapon system has drawbacks as well as benefits. You just have to learn to deal with them.

it would need a change of game mechanics. But what I think would make peopel satisfied woudl be if a cruise missile could be fired.. the raven could warp out .... and the missile fired would still hit and damage the target. That could lead to some interesting tactics

I didn't say "without TC". If TCs/TEs affect missiles that would be great and remove a lot of problems.

As for drawbacks missiles have already a lot of them, like bad tracking (expl radius and speed), flight time and defenders.