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CCP Rise C C P C C P Alliance 544	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:25:00 - [1] - Quote Hello! As you all know, we are rebalancing all of the tech 1 battleships for Odyssey. This means its a very good time to begin looking at large missile systems. This post covers Cruise Missiles specifically. The biggest problem for Cruise missiles is that their main draw is their range (roughly 75k with no skills, 170k with all 5s, and 250km or so with a Raven). Unfortunately, using long-range missiles in most pvp situations is unrealistic, as the flight time for the missiles, which can be up to 20 seconds, allows plenty of opportunity for your target to evade damage. On top of that, in situations where flight time isn't as much of a problem (like small scale engagements), cruise damage is extremely low. The result is a situation where Cruise Missiles have pve applications, but otherwise torpedoes become the only available weapon system for missile focused battleships. We want to change that! We are hoping to improve Cruise from two angles. First we will increase their damage by around 30%. This will happen partly in a change to the base missile damage, and partly in a rate of fire increase for the launchers. Secondly, we are going to increase the base velocity of cruise missiles substantially, making their role as the premiere long range missile at least slightly more realistic. These two improvements will be balanced by an increase in power grid need for the launchers, and a small signature resolution increase for the missiles. Specifically: 5% increased rate of fire for all Cruise Missile Launchers 200 added power grid need for all Cruise Missile launchers 4700m/sec base missile velocity for all Cruise Missiles (up from 3750m/sec) 14 second base flight time for all Cruise Missiles (down from 20 seconds) 25% increase in base damage for all Cruise Missiles 10% increase in signature resolution for all Cruise Missiles Please keep in mind this change is not comprehensive. Following Odyssey, we hope to do more work to improve the missile systems in EVE by potentially adding new modules and/or interactions. Look forward to hearing your feedback, as always Rise

Gypsio III Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 631	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:30:00 - [2] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: Unfortunately, using long-range missiles in most pvp situations is unrealistic, as the flight time for the missiles, which can be up to 20 seconds, allows plenty of opportunity for your target to evade damage. Er, 30 seconds. Oh, it's 30 s with skills, you're talking about without skills, oh well.
Destoya Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 70	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:30:00 - [3] - Quote Seems like a very big buff and a big step towards making cruises viable weapons outside of L4 miissions
Shpenat Pafos Technologies 36	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:30:00 - [4] - Quote looks good. Finally some sniping with cruise.
violator2k5 RogueRaiders 0	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:31:00 - [5] - Quote raven mission runners will be happy with this change, doubt it'll do much for pvp though, ravens really are not a good choice of ship for pvp in general
Naomi Knight Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 291	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:31:00 - [6] - Quote Finnaly something good for caldari :P Maybe a little more than we hoped for. We will see.
Fonac Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:35:00 - [7] - Quote What does signature resolution mean?
Mirel Dystoph Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 40	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:36:00 - [8] - Quote When do you rebalance the ****** up missile skilltree? "Nothing essential happens in the absence of noise."-á
Jonas Sukarala Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 86	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:37:00 - [9] - Quote intriguing changes i think people would be more likely to use them if you made them THE alpha damage platform ROF is less of an issue i think. -increase the missile velocity much more/reduce flight time - improve tracking New modules? .... TD changes at all? 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place..... where is the TD missile change?-á ,...projectiles should use capacitor.
Naomi Knight Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 291	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:40:00 - [10] - Quote violator2k5 wrote: raven mission runners will be happy with this change, doubt it'll do much for pvp though, ravens really are not a good choice of ship for pvp in general this is nearly 20% dps increase with 25% alpha increase, that is definately a huge increase for them , 620dps with 250m sig rad for cn cruise missile raven with 10500 mps missile speed, ~10 sec delay at 100km. sounds good enough for me

Gypsio III Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 631	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:42:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: Specifically: 5% increased rate of fire for all Cruise Missile Launchers 200 added power grid need for all Cruise Missile launchers 4700m/sec base missile velocity for all Cruise Missiles (up from 3750m/sec) 14 second base flight time for all Cruise Missiles (down from 20 seconds) 25% increase in base damage for all Cruise Missiles 10% increase in signature resolution for all Cruise Missiles Please keep in mind this change is not comprehensive. Following Odyssey, we hope to do more work to improve the missile systems in EVE by potentially adding new modules and/or interactions. Look forward to hearing your feedback, as always Rise Damage up by 31.6%, volley up by 25%, wow. Raven with skills, CN ammo and 3x BCS: Cruise velocity: 15,750 m/s Cruise range: 222 km Cruise DPS: 682 Cruise volley: 4496 Explosion radius: 247.5 m With skills, Typhoon cruise velocity 7050 m/s and range 148 km, Raven cruise velocity 10575 m/s and range
Bouh Revetoile TIPIAKS 293	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:42:00 - [12] - Quote Jonas Sukarala wrote: intriguing changes i think people would be more likely to use them if you made them THE alpha damage platform ROF is less of an issue i think. They will be the best LR weapon for dps by far, and the second best for alpha...
Destoya Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 70	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:43:00 - [13] - Quote Naomi Knight wrote: violator2k5 wrote: raven mission runners will be happy with this change, doubt it'll do much for pvp though, ravens really are not a good choice of ship for pvp in general this is nearly 20% dps increase with 25% alpha increase, that is definately a huge increase for them , 620dps with 250m sig rad for cn cruise missile raven with 10500 mps missile speed, ~10 sec delay at 100km. sounds good enough for me It's a 30% damage increase
Naomi Knight Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 291	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:45:00 - [14] - Quote Destoya wrote: Naomi Knight wrote: violator2k5 wrote: raven mission runners will be happy with this change, doubt it'll do much for pvp though, ravens really are not a good choice of ship for pvp in general this is nearly 20% dps increase with 25% alpha increase, that is definately a huge increase for them , 620dps with 250m sig rad for cn cruise missile raven with 10500 mps missile speed, ~10 sec delay at 100km. sounds good enough for me It's a 30% damage increase hmm maybe i misunderstood the 5% increased rate of fire for all Cruise Missile Launchers part but to me it is : it takes 5% longer to fire the new volley Rise have to clarify this it seems
Jonas Sukarala Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 86	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:47:00 - [15] - Quote I would suggest on all missiles to reduce there ROF for more damage.... for 2 reasons - reduce server lag - missiles ought to do more alpha than a bullet 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place..... where is the TD missile change?-á ,...projectiles should use capacitor.
Beaver Retriever Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 47	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:48:00 - [16] - Quote Fonac wrote: What does signature resolution mean? An increased signature resolution means they will take more damage from smartbombs, making firewalling them more viable.
Gypsio III Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 632	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:49:00 - [17] - Quote Naomi Knight wrote: hmm maybe i misunderstood the 5% increased rate of fire for all Cruise Missile Launchers part but to me it is : it takes 5% longer to fire the new volley Rise have to clarify this it seems 2 reasons why I think I m right: it is separated from the buffs with the pg need increase it would make it op 30% dps oh 670dps raven or more ... The giveaway is the bit where Rise states "First we will increase their damage by around 30%".
Denuo Secus 163	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:49:00 - [18] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: ...Following Odyssey, we hope to do more work to improve the missile systems in EVE by potentially adding new modules and/or interactions.... High slot target painter?? Also: yay for the cruise missile boost
Daneel Trevize Give my 11percent back 330	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:50:00 - [19] - Quote Medium rail-guns. Medium rail-guns? Medium rail-guns! Medium rail-guns, medium rail-guns, medium rail-guns! MEDIUM RAIL-GUNS I think you missed something before BS-sized weapons...
Hakan MacTrew Caledonian Light Industries Sick N' Twisted 464	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:50:00 - [20] - Quote Bouh Revetoile wrote: Jonas Sukarala wrote: intriguing changes i think people would be more likely to use them if you made them THE alpha damage platform ROF is less of an issue i think. They will be the best LR weapon for dps by far, and the second best for alpha... PS : you are looking at more than 800 dps with fury... On paper, yes, but not for applied dps. Unless of course, when CCP Rise refered to Scan Resolution on the weapons, he meant explosion velocity. I believe he meant explosion radius though, which would mean it would be harder to apply damage to a target. Especially so without painters. All in all though, I think these cangese will be a good start. Can't wait to try them on SiSi. MODULAR DRONES MORE ORE SHIPS

Naomi Knight Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 291	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:50:00 - [21] - Quote Gypsio III wrote: Naomi Knight wrote: hmm maybe i misunderstood the 5% increased rate of fire for all Cruise Missile Launchers part but to me it is : it takes 5% longer to fire the new volley Rise have to clarify this it seems 2 reasons why I think I m right: it is separated from the buffs with the pg need increase it would make it op 30% dps oh 670dps raven or more ... The giveaway is the bit where Rise states "First we will increase their damage by around 30%". my bad then , i jumped the blabla part:D
Gypsio III Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 632	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:52:00 - [22] - Quote Quad-BCS Fury Raven: 879 DPS to ~185 km. Tricky to apply and a good chunk of that range isn't very useful, but that's some impressive raw damage at those ranges...
FT Diomedes The Graduates RAZOR Alliance 147	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:53:00 - [23] - Quote Looks like a promising change. Rattlesnake pilots everywhere rejoice!
Bouh Revetoile TIPIAKS 293	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:54:00 - [24] - Quote Hakan MacTrew wrote: On paper, yes, but not for applied dps. Unless of course, when CCP Rise refered to Scan Resolution on the weapons, he meant explosion velocity. I believe he meant explosion radius though, which would mean it would be harder to apply damage to a target. Especially so without painters. All in all though, I think these cangese will be a good start. Can't wait to try them on SiSi. Oh god ! Your raven isn't a soloBBQroflstompPWNmobile ? I'm sad for you... You know about huggin/rapier right ? Oh, and the Raven just got a 7th mid slot.
Jonas Sukarala Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 86	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:56:00 - [25] - Quote FT Diomedes wrote: Looks like a promising change. Rattlesnake pilots everywhere rejoice! :) I would be surprised though if they don't Change the missile velocity on guristas ships it doesn't really match with brawling. 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place..... where is the TD missile change?-á ,...projectiles should use capacitor.
Bouh Revetoile TIPIAKS 293	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:56:00 - [26] - Quote Gypsio III wrote: Quad-BCS Fury Raven: 879 DPS to ~185 km. Tricky to apply and a good chunk of that range isn't very useful, but that's some impressive raw damage at those ranges... That's impressive even at CLOSE range !! A hellcat with INMF does 900 dps @20km...
SongSinger BlitzStrike 0	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:57:00 - [27] - Quote what abaut torp?
Naomi Knight Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 292	Posted - 2013.04.16 13:58:00 - [28] - Quote Bouh Revetoile wrote: Hakan MacTrew wrote: On paper, yes, but not for applied dps. Unless of course, when CCP Rise refered to Scan Resolution on the weapons, he meant explosion velocity. I believe he meant explosion radius though, which would mean it would be harder to apply damage to a target. Especially so without painters. All in all though, I think these cangese will be a good start. Can't wait to try them on SiSi. Oh god ! Your raven isn't a soloBBQroflstompPWNmobile ? I'm sad for you... You know about huggin/rapier right ? Oh, and the Raven just got a 7th mid slot. Some people just never have enough , they always want more. Btw 1 web or tp should be enough to apply its dmg vs battleships. That's not much.
Anthar Thebess REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN 89	Posted - 2013.04.16 14:04:00 - [29] - Quote Increase alpha damage at the cost of rate of fire. Smaller lag - and will have bigger use in PVP - as still missiles have to FLY. This way Raven could be used as some anti capital platform.
Shao Ting Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.04.16 14:08:00 - [30] - Quote Mirel Dystoph wrote: When do you rebalance the **** up gunnery** skilltree? Fixed that for ya. Actually, they should be closer in design, and I'm not really sure what the answer is. But that exploration is for a different thread.



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