More tank than a maelstrom? Uh, I don't think so, the mael gets a shield boost bonus, the tank on a mael depending on how you set it up is far superior to the Tempest fleet issue, provided you set up the maelstrom for tank.

If I want a smaller faster and more agile battleship, then I'll use a tornado, why would I spend 500 mill on a paper tanked fleet tempest? just because it has an extra low slot, but is virtually the same ship? Uh no I don't think so. Seriously if your suggesting we use this as a speedy armor tanked battleship, it's not going to work so well, feel free to try it yourself, you can right now on the regular server, never mind the test server.

Out of idle curiosity, what's the production cost (including LP and tags) of a Typhoon Fleet vs a Tempest Fleet?

-Liang

That I can't tell you, off-hand, because I'm not an industrialist of any stripe.

RE the Navy Domi, I don't understand the logic of leaving the split weapon bonus, to create brutal options, when removing them from the base ship made so much sense. It puts the ship back into one of those (kinda does a few things good but not great) categories. If we are making it a drone boat, lets jump in with both feet and do it. The slot difference and it becoming a combat ship are enough justification to make it a "navy" version without having different bonuses just for the sake of having something different.

Hey guys

Posting to let you know that we are going to make two small adjustments to the Armageddon Navy Issue.

First, we're going to lower the drone bay to 200m3. We gave it the giant bay as a way to connect it to the new tech 1 Geddon, but as you've pointed out, it just seems weird.

Second, we're going to lower the signature radius of the Armageddon to 400. The original increase was because of trying pull a lot of the core metrics closer together for the ships within a role (like I did with sensor strength or lock range etc) but in this case it was a totally unnecessary nerf to performance when nothing else on the ship was changing substantially.

The OP will be updated to reflect these changes.

Some posts ago I mentioned that I tend to look at things from the perspective of small fleets. Fleets mean buffer tanks, and the Maelstrom's is fragile.

If speedy armour tanked battleships are useless, why is everyone going on about how good the Typhoon FI is?

I like this change. The superfat geddon just felt weird to me.

Hey guys

Posting to let you know that we are going to make two small adjustments to the Armageddon Navy Issue.

First, we're going to lower the drone bay to 200m3. We gave it the giant bay as a way to connect it to the new tech 1 Geddon, but as you've pointed out, it just seems weird.

Second, we're going to lower the signature radius of the Armageddon to 400. The original increase was because of trying pull a lot of the core metrics closer together for the ships within a role (like I did with sensor strength or lock range etc) but in this case it was a totally unnecessary nerf to performance when nothing else on the ship was changing substantially.

The OP will be updated to reflect these changes.

I beg to differ, if your talking about small fleet warfare the maelstrom excels in that with its dual asb set up.

I will say this again, the typhoon has the tempest beat in every single scenario, Close range, long range, buffer tank with damage, buffer tank with ewar, larger drone bay = more options. The typhoon is also faster natively, over all it is superior.

And I'll correct myself on this, what I meant to say is that a speedy armor tanked tempest is useless, because it loses the one thing it was supposed to be good at, which is a fast attack battleship. It also loses its damage potentiat because you fit armor tank and there goes your speed, and option for damage mods which the ship relies on.

They're pointless if you have logi. We don't run battleships without logi, as a rule, so that's where I'm coming from.

It doesn't have more buffer tank than the 'Pest FI. Check the stats.

It's no longer an attack BS.

1. That only applies to how you use the ship, that doesn't change the fact it has a superior tank.

3. Rise said it was meant to be the "Fastest" of the combat battleships. But then when you armor tank it....

I'm not sure if the shield recharge time of the SNI will change but i fitted the new SNI in EFT and it's nowhere near Rattlesnake.

With 4 BCU's fitted on each here are the Uniform damage defence numbers:

SNI - 415
Drake - 368
Rattle - 680

You are implying that it was not a drone boat to begin with.

The new bonus on the T1 variation is simply trash. CCP was wise enough to not translate it further onto the navy version. You should fit the navy version with a full rack of neutron blasters overloaded with void, flight of ogres, with a splash of triple mag stabs and triple drone damage mods.

An absolute dps **** machine. I'm just sad CCP took away the T1 version to allow for a reasonable priced version.

No. If you don't need the boost bonus, the Mael has a poor tank, because it's buffer is poor.

It's still pretty fast - for a battleship, even armour tanked.

On CNR - 7 launchers and 5% damage bonus (equivalent 8.75 launchers) will be more acceptable.
one utility high slot, no CPU problems, not much dps (only 9% more than T1 Raven and SNI, but still less than TFI).

I have flown the CNR for about 5/6 hours yesterday on Singularity, after having flown the Fleet Typhoon two days ago.

The CNR really is worse than the Fleet Typhoon. It doesn't have the 2 heavy neuts the Fleet Typhoon has, doesn't have any DPS advantage despite having more weapons, is way harder to fit (XLASB fits are completely out of question unless you fit 2+ CPU mods, Torps simply can't be fit), and it has of course only 2 sets of drones.

Yes, it's slower. Yes, it has a Explosion Radius bonus (That isn't all that stellar btw).

Imo, it should get a proper DPS bonus, 7 launchers and more fitting room.

Fleet Typhoons can be armor-Torps fit for brawling, and that's great. We need CNRs to be able to do the same while being shield-fitted with Torps. Sadly, there is not enough PWG for this.

Also, the dual neuts help the FleetTyphoon a lot along with the natural speed advantage. The CNR should get 7 launchers and a spare slot for a heavy neut. It will bring more DPS than the Fleet Typhoon, at the expense of speed and one heavy neut. How's that ?

Why should this navy dominix, a lvl 1 requirement battleship, out shine both its bigger brother the navy thron (in its purposed role no less) and its counterpart the rattlesnake?

@ CCP Rise
Will the Typhoon Fleet Issue be getting it's mass reduced a bit further like the t1 typhoon got?

Because as it stands right now it is looking a bit heavy compared to the other attack navy BS. With mwd active a navy megathron is looking about as quick...which kinda makes the fleet issue phoon's high base speed look a bit moot.

@ CCP Rise
Will the Typhoon Fleet Issue be getting it's mass reduced a bit further like the t1 typhoon got?

Because as it stands right now it is looking a bit heavy compared to the other attack navy BS. With mwd active a navy megathron is looking about as quick...which kinda makes the fleet issue phoon's high base speed look a bit moot.

Navy Domi is not a little brother of Navy Mega, they will have the same skill reqs in Odyssey.

The Gank Domi is shield tanked,

the new Megas reach similar dps in armor tank fits,

with better damage application, NDomi will have poor tracking and relies on drone damage for half of the total.

I'm personally very happy for the current split between Domi and Navy Domi, one is a pure drone ship and other a DPS monster.

Both tempests are sad barely touched ships they will performed as such poor.

I don't have will to argue with ppl that don't want to listen to their player base on the issue.

I will note tho that other ships all are getting some kind of a buff and some of them are becoming OP that is noted by everybody..but still that it ok but for some reason when it come to tempest ANY change that can warrant ship will NOT suck is out of a question.