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Maybelater Headache
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:49:00 -
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personal attacks? Says Ranger 1? :-)
Who is "we" btw? |
Sister Sophia
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:56:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:...do your own research into what causes motion sickness and/or disorientation when viewing movement on a computer screen... although this thread has already voiced the obvious and well know causes many times already.
If you did research in cognitive science, you'd know that nothing in the area is as obvious as it seems. Here's a link to a doctoral thesis on the very topic you mention -- motion sickness. By reading it and following up the references you may get some ideas for how to avoid these problems in the future.
Tbh, I'll need to spend a bit of time digging up the ideal literature on this since it's never been a precise area of interest of mine. But the above is a start, if you care. |
Maybelater Headache
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:56:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: Well out of the hundreds of pilots have have flown with over the last few days in the CFC not one of them has said anything other than "well that got old fast". Infact I know of no CFC member complaining about "throwing up" when jumping systems.
Not exactly scientific but if this was a big problem chances are someone I come in contact with would have said something.
To be honest, people claiming it is causing motion sickness etc sounds strange to me as well. Nevertheless it is possible, i just don-¦t share the experience. These animations, again, are annoying and distracting and i want them to be optional. It is not that hard to understand, isn-¦t it.
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Alpha Strategy The Unthinkables
86
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:58:00 -
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marVLs wrote:Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Sister Sophia wrote:Still, you'd think they'd at least have something to say in response, apart from what we got at the very beginning of the thread. They're probably still taken aback by the fact that their pet fluff feature isn't being received so well. Where have I seen this before? From what i see (and that smaaaaall number of topics/post on forum) more than 90% of players like new jump animations, and they don't cry. Don't sit 20cm from monitor 12h per day and maybe You will feel better ffs I'm glad CCP is driving this game not forum whiners Like I said before, wait until this weekend. Due to the nature of what we are dealing with, I just see it getting worse over time. I am not talking about people ho feel fine physically with it suddenly developing motion sickness. I am talking about plain old-fashioned annoyance. Note the "it was cool the first x number of times, but" posts. How about in two weeks? A month? Maybe after a few hundred jumps, you'll be right back here with the rest of us begging for a "dear god make it stop" button.
And for the record, I actually sit about 4 feet from my monitor, and it's only a paltry 15". |
baltec1
Bat Country
6856
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:58:00 -
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Maybelater Headache wrote:
To be honest, people claiming it is causing motion sickness etc sounds strange to me as well. Nevertheless it is possible, i just don-¦t share the experience. These animations, again, are annoying and distracting and i want them to be optional. It is not that hard to understand, isn-¦t it.
When you say it like this then no. It most likely wont happen but at least you are being truthful. |
Ghazu
596
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:59:00 -
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Zad Murrard wrote:Also started feeling some motion sickness while watching the camera turn. So I'd very much appreciate a possibility to disable the turning. wow you shouldn't even watch movies it might kill you. http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984 |
marVLs
174
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:02:00 -
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Strom Crendraven wrote:Wow, math much? Selective application of random made up statistics, you must be a liberal me thinks.
If something it's terrible for sure there's tons of topics per day, some of them should have by now more than 50pages of post that almost everyone puts +1, but here? One, maybe two topics (one alive) with few pages with some dudes want it off, others make fun of those nonsens, but most of those replays are made by small number of players that keeps posting the same every page...
Maybelater Headache wrote:nobody cares about your opinion
Rather nobody cares about Your crying, and especially CCP don't ahhh so glad that this bulls... does not pass
It's so funny that EVE players try to imitate so hard bad boys, tough guys etc. but they reveal true nature in topics like this, "mommy this thing make me feel buuu, remove it! remove it!!!!!!!1 (crying)"
And yes im talking only about those silly lies with motion sicknes. About just effect? It's personal taste, im not bored by it, every time it looks fantastic especially with those sounds |
Maybelater Headache
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:05:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: When you say it like this then no. It most likely wont happen but at least you are being truthful.
I never said that in a different way. The likelyness of a change or a rollback is directly related to the amount of "protest" CCP is facing, no matter what you or your buddy or me is going to spam about it in this thread.
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Maybelater Headache
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:06:00 -
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marVLs wrote:Strom Crendraven wrote:Wow, math much? Selective application of random made up statistics, you must be a liberal me thinks. If something it's terrible for sure there's tons of topics per day, some of them should have by now more than 50pages of post that almost everyone puts +1, but here? One, maybe two topics (one alive) with few pages with some dudes want it off, others make fun of those nonsens, but most of those replays are made by small number of players that keeps posting the same every page... Maybelater Headache wrote:nobody cares about your opinion Rather nobody cares about Your crying, and especially CCP don't ahhh so glad that this bulls... does not pass It's so funny that EVE players try to imitate so hard bad boys, tough guys etc. but they reveal true nature in topics like this, "mommy this thing make me feel buuu, remove it! remove it!!!!!!!1 (crying)" And yes im talking only about those silly lies with motion sicknes. About just effect? It's personal taste, im not bored by it, every time it looks fantastic especially with those sounds
nobody cares about your opinion |
Sister Sophia
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:06:00 -
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It's interesting to me that we suddenly get a flood of denials regarding motion sickness induced by simulated rapid motion. Does this mean that someone somewhere is getting worried about potential bad publicity?
I, for one, really do feel motion sick from the effect. No lie.
By the way, this entire problem would make a fascinating case-study for a cross-listed computer science / cognitive psychology class on human factors. I bet only some portion of the class would feel queasy from the effect and so one could debate the economic costs / benefits of various solutions. |
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
4
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:06:00 -
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I've found it basically impossible to get anything done in this game without an alt running at the same time. I hate that because it mostly ruins any immersion. But because of that I rarely even watch the animation as when I'm jumping I'm already looking over to the other client to see what needs to be done there. That said I can see how suddenly introducing that sort of camera movement into a game that has hardly anything like that at all could be very disconcerting. It seems like CCP could look at how many people have that auto camera follow target thing (whatever its called when you press 'c') on and then know how well big unplanned for camera, nondisableable movements would go over.
All that out of the way, the few times I've watched the animation it didn't bother me. I hated the loading bar (the few times I watched it) . Mostly it is the overwhelming noise I don't like. Seems a lot louder than the normal space noises. |
Viktor Allende
Piranha Enterprises Nulli Legio
8
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:08:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Zad Murrard wrote:Also started feeling some motion sickness while watching the camera turn. So I'd very much appreciate a possibility to disable the turning. wow you shouldn't even watch movies it might kill you.
marVLs wrote: And yes im talking only about those silly lies with motion sicknes.
That's only disgusting.
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1791
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:10:00 -
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you can simulate the old jump effect by closing your eyes and count to five eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Maybelater Headache
Republic University Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:14:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:you can simulate the old jump effect by closing your eyes and count to five
You-¦re smart, aren-¦t you
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indig0F10w
Weed smokers HQ
2
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:19:00 -
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+1 to turn off button. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:25:00 -
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Sister Sophia wrote:It's interesting to me that we suddenly get a flood of denials regarding motion sickness induced by simulated rapid motion. Does this mean that someone somewhere is getting worried about potential bad publicity?
I, for one, really do feel motion sick from the effect. No lie.
By the way, this entire problem would make a fascinating case-study for a cross-listed computer science / cognitive psychology class on human factors. I bet only some portion of the class would feel queasy from the effect and so one could debate the economic costs / benefits of various solutions. You are probably correct that it would make an interesting study, and thanks for the link you provided. The thesis is well thought out, although appears to be more focused on virtual reality environements such as EVR (but to be perfectly honest I have not had time to read it in its entirety, and I want to be up front about that). I will say that what I read didn't really seem to point to anything that pointed to the effect in EvE (and how it was implemented) as to having done anything that would be an obvious cause of motion sickness, but I may have overlooked the correlation you were drawing.
All that aside, if you are indeed experiencing discomfort you have my sympathies... especially since those that are sincere will be drown out for a while by people trolling for attention or who simply don't like it and will throw in additional drama just to try and justify their opinion.
Again, I am of the opinion that it is likely the general effect is in place to stay... but perhaps some tweaks can be made to it to alleviate your discomfort. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Sister Sophia
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:34:00 -
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Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
You are quite right about the thesis: it's not specific to this problem. It's an old piece. I'd need a couple of weeks to dig up the ideal literature on this. I am teaching a class right now but I could be tempted to do the lit-search later on in the summer if I can be confident that something will come of it. I could also point you to some people who have done empirical work with HUDs in the past and who might be able to evaluate future design ideas for cognitive impact (or study this one).
Too bad the effect is here to say (if indeed it is). I'll probably hang on and train up skills for a while. I don't mind having an Eve character even if I won't play very much. It's a pretty cool bit of sci-fi.
The rest of the expansion is pretty awesome btw. I was looking forward to following up a clue-chase through nullsec up to Jove space quite a lot. Maybe after the next expansion. :) |
Doc Severide
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:52:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Dullmeyr Prodomo wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Huang Mo wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Actually, due to the nature of how this effect is coded and linked to game mechanics, an "animation off" button is likely to be extremely difficult to code How do you know ? Nothing in your profile indicate that you have more insight in this than anyone else outside of CCP I work in IT as well This fully qualifies you, indeed. Selective quoting FTW. No kidding the person is an idiot. I agree that coding Mods for Homeworld would at least give you some/more insight into the issue than most others... |
Maybelater Headache
Republic University Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:19:00 -
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Even if i would share your opinion about this Ranger guy- it is just plain rude to call a fellow player an idiot. |
Sv0r0n
Russian Thunder Squad Darkness of Despair
3
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:26:00 -
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CCP, we wants turn OFF button ! |
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1011
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:29:00 -
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The funny thing is as a kid I got motion sickness when I was in the back of a car. Years later I still do but not when I'm in the front of the car.
So it's not just, agrhwhaahatenewstoofkillitmenolikey but CCP managed to reproduce something that happens to me in the back of a car.
That's quite a feat if you think of it.
I would love a coherent respons from CCP on this beyond the "there's no old gate" troll, if this is either something they are looking into or those complaining about really getting sick are mopped up on the ' K3 whawhawha, QQ and they'll (have to) get used to it" bandwagon.
I didn't just pay for 2 accounts for a whole year to get sick by watching an animation that repeats itself over and over again that I have to sit through. Yeah I can block it by watching stuff on a web browser for example but that defeats the purpose of the animation being there. |
criativa
Zugleich Techniken
67
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:54:00 -
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+1 to turn off option |
Rainbow D'tara
Left Ahead Li3 Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.06 20:08:00 -
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Normally MMOs that don't have jumping animations get hordes of people begging for it. HarHar |
lilol' me
Comply Or Die Brethren.
19
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Posted - 2013.06.06 20:44:00 -
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just make the jump animation A LOT shorter instead of a long winded one. |
Li Tiger
Deep Space Resources Ltd.
9
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Posted - 2013.06.06 21:06:00 -
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Rainbow D'tara wrote:Normally MMOs that don't have jumping animations get hordes of people begging for it. HarHar Yep, no problem here. Just fill in and change what you want! But plan ahead and make it possible to choose. I do not understand we have to have these types of threads each time ccp choose to change something that worked ok pre patch. I understand it even less when I find out ccp apparently just bulldozed various complaints about this problem when they tested it.
According to this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3148609#post3148609
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War Porcika
FREE GATES HUN Reloaded
17
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Posted - 2013.06.06 21:34:00 -
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criativa wrote:+1 to turn off option +1 |
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
73
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:22:00 -
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Respect.
CCP really should have listened and given a turn off option. Instead they just bulldozed past VALID FEEDBACK FROM TESTING ONCE AGAIN.
As the deal with past failures has shown you CCP, you really should not ignore VALID concerns about features like this EVEN when it is a pet feature of a powerful dev and it needs a turn off option...YMMV of course.
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winchester barrel
ANZAC ACADEMY
0
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:23:00 -
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+1 for turn on/off option |
Louise Antwoord
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
10
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:26:00 -
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Please add a option for the old jump animation or lack of ! please! |
Johnnie Blue
Aliastra Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.06.06 22:38:00 -
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Yep it was fun at first but it's too dramatic a change from normal eve surroundings. And loud too. Worth keeping this alive for proper dev reply.
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