Not that I know of

Also about the updated stats: nice, definitely better but still not quite there.

I still have to wonder why the Hyena loses a crucial midslot compared to the Vigil... A 2/5/3 or 3/5/2 layout would make a little more sense than the current and unchanged in OP 3/4/3.

-i wonder isnt it better to give any energy neuting ship a bigger cap bonus instead of recharge time 5% or 10% cap capacity!!
we use cap batteries of booster's for those ships!!!!!!!
- cap recharge is better for repper ships right?

I personally think the Keres should win a Maulus in a brawl

(Same for all the ships)

But thats just me <.<

These are going to kerb stomp small gang pvp... Why the hell would anyone fly an inty over these? It sure aint for bubble immunity, your pretty much obsoleting a whole other class of ship with these OP monsters.

So if I am looking at this properly, a Keres, being a T2 frig, is getting a huge buff in warp speed and acceleration, and with 2 meta 4 sensor damps, and level 4 skills, can damp it's target's own targeting range to 22.5% of it's standard.

Meantime, with a warp disruptor, it can point at 50 km, on overheat, for a little over a minute, which should be enough for some T2 cruiser buddies to get to the Keres to help out (BC's and BS's will take a lot longer). All the while overheating a Mwd at around 5,000 m/s, with a pure speed setup, and pushing 100 DPS with autocannons and drones for anti-warrior II work.

Yeah, that won't have too many people complaining, once it hits TQ.
This beast will make an inty look silly in low sec, at least, when it comes to effectiveness of tackling.

This thing could set an orbit at 40 km, point, wait for the attack ships to arrive, and only victim ships with a targeting range of over 175 km with be able to lock it.

The typical T2 HAC has a targeting range of 100-130 km, when in fleet bonus mode.
Most ships are a lot less. Even at 130 km, 22.5% = 29.25 km. The Keres can set an orbit at 35, not overheat the point, and can pretty sit there all day pulsing the o/h on the mwd to avoid any small drone aggro.

If you add on a Command ship to that, its lights out baby.

I imagine the backlash against sensor damps will be almost get as loud as the whining about ECM ,when the full impact of these ships hits.

I foresee many Crows with Hyena alts

That is a very thin line to go from 'never gets used' to 'OMGWTFBBQOP'

@CCP Rise how much do i have to pay you to slip fixing the Curse/Pilgrim in with these fine ships (as they are the only Recons that really need help at all - the others function fairly well)

Keres: Signature radius: 43(-12)

This !

IMO people here just hate EWAR so much they prefer these EAF to stay in their current TQ state than risking to see them flying. Listening to them, they already are OP...

These changes are really going to complicate the small frig ecosystem in lowsec. And I think that's great. I'm looking forward to the challenge.

But I'd say we'll need some new counter-moves to the inevitable gangs of EA frigs + cockbag thrashers sitting in plexes and on gates.

To reiterate and modify an idea from earlier: Can we consider giving covops frigs a heavy missile option (in addition to the current torps)? They are very fragile and expensive. So I doubt they will be overused or overpowered. But at least with heavy missiles, they will have a chance either to snipe EA frigs if the pilot (or alt) is half asleep or to at least force them off the field for a while.

I hope I'm calculating this correctly so please correct me if I'm wrong. But a Keres using its MWD should have a sig radius of 205m. Precision torps have an explosion radius of 405m. So they still won't be that useful against a Keres. On the other hand, heavy missiles, with their explosion radius of between 125 and 215m will still be effective. Even a rack of three won't be able to single-shot the EA frig. And that's perfectly fine. But they will pose a threat. At the very least the keres will be forced to redirect its ewar at the covops to cope.

Of course, combat inties can quickly catch and kill a covops frig (heavy missiles or no). So the outcome, I think, should be a paper-scisors-rock game with pilot skill and situational awareness as the determining factor. I just wonder whether heavy missiles would make the covops too great a threat to cruiser-sized ships. Dunno.

That's my suggestion for some balance anyway.

[They are called rapid missile launcher caracals... or rapid missile lanucher bellicoses. They can murder those frigs, at least enoguh to kill far more than their own cost before being subjugated.

They are called rapid missile launcher caracals... or rapid missile lanucher bellicoses. They can murder those frigs, at least enoguh to kill far more than their own cost before being subjugated.

Is it a typo when he says 40% web range bonus per level (+20% per level) ? I interpret that as +40 at level 1, +100 at level 2, + 180 at level 3, plus 280 at level 4 and plus 400 at level 5? That would mean a 60km web?

Or, is it compounding (which would result in some ridiculous range)?

the hyena need more web range 60% will be ok

These changes are really going to complicate the small frig ecosystem in lowsec. And I think that's great. I'm looking forward to the challenge.

But I'd say we'll need some new counter-moves to the inevitable gangs of EA frigs + cockbag thrashers sitting in plexes and on gates.

To reiterate and modify an idea from earlier: Can we consider giving covops frigs a heavy missile option (in addition to the current torps)? They are very fragile and expensive. So I doubt they will be overused or overpowered. But at least with heavy missiles, they will have a chance either to snipe EA frigs if the pilot (or alt) is half asleep or to at least force them off the field for a while.

I hope I'm calculating this correctly so please correct me if I'm wrong. But a Keres using its MWD should have a sig radius of 205m. Precision torps have an explosion radius of 405m. So they still won't be that useful against a Keres. On the other hand, heavy missiles, with their explosion radius of between 125 and 215m will still be effective. Even a rack of three won't be able to single-shot the EA frig. And that's perfectly fine. But they will pose a threat. At the very least the keres will be forced to redirect its ewar at the covops to cope.

Of course, combat inties can quickly catch and kill a covops frig (heavy missiles or no). So the outcome, I think, should be a paper-scisors-rock game with pilot skill and situational awareness as the determining factor. I just wonder whether heavy missiles would make the covops too great a threat to cruiser-sized ships. Dunno.

That's my suggestion for some balance anyway.

This !

IMO people here just hate EWAR so much they prefer these EAF to stay in their current TQ state than risking to see them flying. Listening to them, they already are OP...