Play better then? Stop spouting off crap.

Just warp away?

So trying to confirm that you are telling me to just run away from fights, and to somehow play better vs a ship that can web we from insane distances where most ships struggle to even reach? Yah... I too love flying only RLM cerbs for the foreseeable future.

Shouldn't the Keres be able to use 4 drones like the Maulus?

Hyena's Ewar capabilites allow you to slow down and increase the size of a ship so dramaticly that any ship approaching your fleet within 35 km (almost double with faction webs / links) knows its doomed. With an effective paint up to 80 ish km you can increase the kiting gangs damage application by nearly double that of normal.

Confirming. It's called adapting, there, Skippy. I can agree that the ranges on these EAFs could do with a bit of lowering (Half their range bonuses that have been suggested and play with it from there), but other than that, yes. Run away, regroup and come up with a plan to deal with ships like this. Or you could always run away as you suggested. Isn't that what you do to griffins already?

To fight Griffins as they are now, you need to just exceed their lock range, or just shoot them.

You're confusing the two terms running away and staying on the field. Running away means literally not fighting, and leaving the field. Any self respecting gang that doesn't bring Hyenas to the field will be ********, they will be everywhere, and there will be more than one at all times.

So I guess you can't do any solo work on the field vs another gang, yeah ok, that sounds like fun and emergent game-play.

Tell me, other than a CN RLM cerb- how are you hitting that hyena, moving around 5K+ From 60K out? Because really, if you can name any ship- please do so. The cerb is going to struggle to apply full DPS at that point with out some crash on board.

Play better then? Stop spouting off crap.

Just warp away?

So trying to confirm that you are telling me to just run away from fights, and to somehow play better vs a ship that can web we from insane distances where most ships struggle to even reach? Yah... I too love flying only RLM cerbs for the foreseeable future.

I would love if the target painter range obnus would be swapped for anything... a 5% AB speed bonus woudl be my personal choice :P

I think
5% bonus to the velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level
is more proper.

If you're soloing in a light , relative short-ranged ship, the situation is no different to a Rapier arriving on grid at range. Presumably you have some method of dealing with that rather than just crying on the forums?

If you're in gang, then just kill it or damp it. Rail Deimos, for a start.

I'd actually like to see any of these regularly beat out an ishkur, dramiel, or daredevil.

This proposed iteration of the EAF's will definitely have fun rolling all over 'lower end' frigs, but I'm seriously skeptical of how well they'll do against the higher end, long standing dominant frig's like the Daredevil/Dramiel, Ishkur/Harpy/Hawk.

Yeah, the occasional upset(read Imicus vs Enyo) happens, but I don't think these will be able to routinely 1v1 most the AF's and faction frigs.

Confirming. It's called adapting, there, Skippy. I can agree that the ranges on these EAFs could do with a bit of lowering (Half their range bonuses that have been suggested and play with it from there), but other than that, yes. Run away, regroup and come up with a plan to deal with ships like this. Or you could always run away as you suggested. Isn't that what you do to griffins already?

If you're soloing in a light , relative short-ranged ship, the situation is no different to a Rapier arriving on grid at range. Presumably you have some method of dealing with that rather than just crying on the forums?

If you're in gang, then just kill it or damp it. Rail Deimos, for a start.

I like all the 'Hyena is OP!' arguments that include faction webs and Skirmish links.

I feel sorry for you if that's the small gang pvp you have settle for.

I'd actually like to see any of these regularly beat out an ishkur, dramiel, or daredevil.

This proposed iteration of the EAF's will definitely have fun rolling all over 'lower end' frigs, but I'm seriously skeptical of how well they'll do against the higher end, long standing dominant frig's like the Daredevil/Dramiel, Ishkur/Harpy/Hawk.



Yeah, the occasional upset(read Imicus vs Enyo) happens, but I don't think these will be able to routinely 1v1 most the AF's and faction frigs.

If these things go live as is, the only viable ship to solo around in will be a RLML Cerberus.
Seriously. Increasing their range was the wrong idea.

A rail deimos is going to have trouble tracking a frig at that distance, let alone one going at close to 5K (which means it can keep transversal up while chasing) with a sig radius bonus - a rapier won't have those advantages.

there is no reason not to include it. If you don't fit faction webs to your rapier, you are either bad at game and poor- or bad at game.... and just bad.

completely different to faction web a rapier and ahyena. Hyena will die 50 times more. Its can be easily insta popped. You woudl be wastign isk most of time using faction webs on it.

Griffens get FOF missiled, or I can actually shoot / kill them. They are not sitting out at suer extreme ranges.

And no you may not call me skippy / adapting. There is no way to adapt to a hyena when you are solo / super small gang. Those things are going to be fuckign nightmares. Again, solo / small gang pilot running away and 're-grouping' as advice. WTF kind of idea is that?