Funny remark from Mr. Shitposter himself who never provided anything at all, talk baseless bullshit and pure lies all the time and is about to party because he found a conflict averse sissy like this kimmy-gal who invests his/her time to try to prove something that means absolutely nothing in this subject at hand while you laugh your asses off.

Ok, tell us about your faction drops in nullsec. The more the merrier (and the more accurate).

Funny remark from Mr. Shitposter himself who never provided anything at all, talk baseless bullshit and pure lies all the time and is about to party because he found a conflict averse sissy like this kimmy-gal who invests his/her time to try to prove something that means absolutely nothing in this subject at hand while you laugh your asses off playing forumgames.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing

Check and mate, terrible highsec pubbie npc alt.

I see you didnt read that link I provided to that spreadsheet that showed level 3 missions earned more isk that you said level 4s earned. All of the numbers I stated have been verified, you on the other hand have nothing but insults and have contributed nothing to this thread.

Good stuff!

Oh... hold on. No it isn't.

I can do a dozen missions and spreadsheet it too. They'll show me making next to nothing off them, but because that's what I want, I'll keep waving it in everyone's face to prove some pointless theory.

Mr Epeen

Once again this goes off the rails. Baltec I assume you have data that supports 50m/hr in L3s?

Good stuff!

Oh... hold on. No it isn't.

I can do a dozen missions and spreadsheet it too. They'll show me making next to nothing off them, but because that's what I want, I'll keep waving it in everyone's face to prove some pointless theory.

Mr Epeen

Dear Jenn aWhine, the main thrust of my question was, in fact, what do folk think would happen to the game?

Really what you seem to be saying is that you want to screw the income of hi-sec folk, so that null-sec folk earn more, relatively speaking.

That is a perfectly respectable position to hold, but to pretend it is for the greater good of the game is just not on.

I am sorry you do not care about me, or my play-style, but as I am basically a hi-sec player, I do care for you.

Didn't someone say that was completed before a nerf a while back? Have anything more recent?

The warp speed changes can infact make them better due to 44% of time being spent in warp. The drone changes are not nearly as bad as people try to make out and there are several other ships that can do the same job.

Even so, since 69% of the income is coming from LP, how do you feel it would be best to nerf highsec income Baltec? That is the part that I have not seen iterated by anyone here to my recollection.

Stop blitzing. If CCP wish to keep LP levels high then remove ship bounties from high sec missions or stop blitzing and add on LP rewards on NPC kills in null sec space (without needing the ESS)

No its not because the fool was trying to tell me I don't understand scientific testing and data controls when I've literally made my career out of those.

If you were good at understanding scientific testing and data you may want to go back to it because you sure do seem to suck at understanding basic EVE.

Stop blitzing. If CCP wish to keep LP levels high then remove ship bounties from high sec missions or stop blitzing and add on LP rewards on NPC kills in null sec space (without needing the ESS)

So you're telling me I'm bad at EVE? What does that have to do with understanding what makes a good experiment?

No what you are doing is making a fool of yourself. You are calling me out and implying that I am telling lies on something that would take anyone a matter of minutes to find.

This should of been done a long time ago. Making people kill stuff in mission insetad of bypass every part of it as fast as possible would go a logn way toward reducing the amount of ISK/hours that can be earned in high. Then they can hit the most crazy LP stores if needed with the nerf bat.

Seems to me that the a simple change to missions to stop blitzing would be enough to fix most of the problem. SOE LP values would still cause those missions to be higher then average and nerfing blitzing would increase the value of the LP. I'm not sure how CCP could adjust the SOE LP to bring it more in line with the rest of highsec without resulting in potential problems. THe least problematic would be to spread the availability of SOE LP. As once more people can easily run LP in systems away from gankers the LP value will decrease. Like stoic said earlier.

Yeah because backing up your statements with facts and proof is for those that disagree with you only.

Nice to see you continue to refuse to provide any data to back any of your claims.


Applied dps would be lowered in your described situation while not achieving the speeds you claimed.



I would like to thank Kimmi for proving my point by listing his/her implants which show no room for what Baltec claimed.

To address the issue about the ESS. I don't see why he shouldn't use all the tools available to null. We're certainly using all the tools available to highsec. At the very least it'd be interesting to see it's real world effect. As last I was aware pretty much no one was using it for the intended reason.



Seems to me that the a simple change to missions to stop blitzing would be enough to fix most of the problem. SOE LP values would still cause those missions to be higher then average and nerfing blitzing would increase the value of the LP. I'm not sure how CCP could adjust the SOE LP to bring it more in line with the rest of highsec without resulting in potential problems. THe least problematic would be to spread the availability of SOE LP. As once more people can easily run LP in systems away from gankers the LP value will decrease. Like stoic said earlier.

If you look at the sheet I am currently gathering data for the ESS so there will be some evidence of its effect on isk/hr. He has provided proof as well, most of the crap has been flowing from the pro-highsec group as can be evidenced by the hordes of npc alts that came here to shitpost. The funniest part of all of it is I provided everything one would need to reproduce what I have done yet not a single highsec pubbie has attempted to do it and has defaulted to their standard crap arguments like "lol no

The real question is, what field of study did you go through to be able to craft such lovely posts?

It would take me a bit to fly an Ishtar and I'm Caldari. I would not be caught dead in a Gallente ship. Or maybe that's the only way...

La Nariz, forgive my ignorance but what kind of travel time exists for completing these? I assume the "lag" time is the time between completion and bounties actually hitting the wallet? Are you scanning down another or travelling to it before or after the lag time?

If you reduce the amount of LP in New Eden, you reduce the effectiveness of the LP Store sink.

I think blitzing is stupid. But if you remove it and force full clears for all missions you reduce LP/hr which means it takes longer to buy a ship from the LP Store. Everytime someone buys a Nestor from the LP store, that is 100,000,000 of ISK removed from the game forever. Stratios - 20,000,000. Sisters Core Probes 1,200,000 per 10.

That sink must continue to consume ISK. It must. If there is more LP and you put it in Null, the sink continues to run normally AND has the added benefit of making those in Null a little richer and some people in High a little less rich FROM LP ONLY.