You mean like Goons were so opposed to tech being fixed? Oh, wait, they were the loudest proponents of fixing it.

A change like this would make the tech nerf look like childs play.

Also, the tech nerf didn't threaten their entire infrastructure. It only threatened some income.

Goons would be forced to actually strategically position and defend borders, so it's a bad idea.

A change like this would make the tech nerf look like childs play.

Also, the tech nerf didn't threaten their entire infrastructure. It only threatened some income.

That proves my point. I live in nullsec - but because I disagree with you post in defense of the high sec slanted imbalance without even understanding it, I am a "highsec poster."

Fixed.

Nullsec overall can be quite fun - but the aspects of sov and ownership are horrid. Nerfing highsec income will not make it any more fun.

Pointing out that nerfing highsec won't magically fix nullsec does not mean I'm "posting with a high sec slant" or whatever the hell.

It's called being logical. A lot of the people I play with - you couldn't pay to participate in a tidi fight. Well, maybe you could. But you would have to pay them a lot.

Grinding structures? Same thing. I and many others associate holding sov with grinding and boredom.

Nullsec overall can be quite fun - but the aspects of sov and ownership are horrid.

Nerfing highsec income will not make it any more fun.

Look at the ridicules conclusions you jump to (and then call logic). Who said anything about grinding structures, tidi or anything else?

And no one said nerfing high sec would make null sec fun. We said that nerfing certain aspects of the things in high sec that are to good helps restore a balance that would then let those "so inclined" not be chained to high sec with industry and pve alts. If it also encourages others to venture out of high that's great but not necessary.

Not trying to be too rel life here but there is a real life correlation with how high sec works in relation to the rest of EVE: Why go look for a job that pays a slight bit better but requires you to actually get up in the morning when you can sit on your tuff and someone will send you a check for enough money for you to get by while you lounge in your underwear? Sure, you can say "well jobs need to pay better" but as long as free checks are coming who gives a damn?

I did not miss the qualifier I showed you that it was terrible because it means we pack even more renters into nullsec. That renter space will not be vulnerable to a small group because its now our income alliance and when you mess with that you get a 1000 man fleet headed to you.

Making it worth living in over highsec, by nerfing highsec, would facilitate its use and further make the timer idea bad.

E: The power projection thing is an issue but, inconveniencing people or making the solution to the change be "more alts," isn't a good change.

Thing is, they just don't have the "fortitude".

What stands out is the lack of understanding human nature you have. It wouldn't force goons to defend borders, it would encourage goons to fund "border protection alts" for their members to log in whenever something happens because a computer can run more than 1 client at a time lol.

It would further encourage goons to make defense fleet participation a part of rental agreements and it would encourage EVEN MORE BLUES because friends don't invade borders anyways.

Marlona has never demonstrated an understanding of Malcanis' law. To be fair, neither has CCP. Marlona's ideas would enrich goons.

Again you are letting prejudice could judgement and damp reason.

Pinky I fear you are wasting time. They are not interested in making the game better or even seeing EVE from any view point other than their own. Their ego simply could not allow them to be wrong or acknowledge that they are only interested in winning an argument.

They are not interested in talking or debating or acting like the adults they pretend to be. They fear anyone that see things from a different perspective other than their own and their massive egoGÇÖs require them to lash out.

They will continue to do you as they have previously and troll and attack until the thread is locked and then they will move on to the nextGǪagain and again.

I donGÇÖt like to see people like this get away with it either but why drag yourself to their level.

Arguing with the special forum trolls will only make them more special.

It doesn't make any sense since both of you claim to live in null and a high sec rebalance wouldn't negatively affect you anyways.

What exactly if any, would you know about fortitude??

Actually, it's just because I thought about it and realized it would affect me.

Highsec is where most stuff gets produced. If you carelessly start nerfing highsec, you raise the prices of ships and modules.

And that absolutely does have a negative impact on my gameplay - as well as yours most likely.

The little guy has a chance if he submits to the bigger guy.

Unless you consider that people living in their own space provides targets for people to shoot, which drives demand for ships which spurs competition that keeps prices down.. Hell, locally produced goods should be cheaper anyways because people wouldn't need to be paying 7 bil for a jump freighter and refueling them all the time (and replacing them after ganks).

Who cares if they are mass murdering child killing 'women can't go to school' rights suppressing tyrants, at least we get cheap oil.

What? You've lost me with this recent batch of insanity.

Since everything must be spoon fed to you. It means you're stands in improperly selfish, rather than acknowledge high sec's imbalances and their affect on the wider game, you support the status quo that just so happens to benefit you with cheap ships. Not unlike how real world governments look the other way as long as the oil/blood diamonds/resources keep flowing.

Except I disagree with your premises, which means the whole rest of your post is nonsense. Sorry.

I don't see the rampant highsec imbalance you do - maybe because I'm not batshit insane.

I see far more imbalances in nullsec (power projection, sov system, horrific tidi) than I do in highsec.

TL:DR, people are stupid and have short memories.

This is all you ever do you know. What I don't get is how a man with no horse constantly tries to be all "high horse" about things lol.

What you people believe will make things worse, the would exacerbate the "null is mostly just good for renting" status quo. It doesn't make any sense since both of you claim to live in null and a high sec rebalance wouldn't negatively affect you anyways.

Are you scared that the former high sec alts freed from high sec would take your anoms or something?

And you would?

Yes indeed I would. I was out there serving my country most likely while your mom changed your diapers.

I know a lot of vets. None of them would ever use their service as a way to score points on an internet forum.

Keep going guys. If you get up to a full page of outright insults, maybe the thread will be locked.