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Emma Muutaras
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.12 12:14:00 -
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with the current state of null sec http://i.imgur.com/yRX4f1D.png (based on blue standings) what chance does a small alliance/corp that wants to be independent of the big boys have in getting a foothold in null?
it looks like you have 3 choices at the moment join cfc/rus join N3 or buy a wizards hat and join provi block.
while i admit my knowledge of everything going on in null is somewhat limited every 1 seams to say the same thing N3 while still got a lot of fight in them is on the back-foot and in full retreat that blue doughnut is getting closer and closer to being complete.
small scale pvp is getting harder and harder to find always seams to be a 30 man fleet getting dropped by a 100 man fleet, and if/when the blue doughnut is complete you may as well say large scale pvp will die as well.
yes its in the nature of sandboxes for people to group together and form massive coalitions but is this really healthy for null sec?
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Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
54
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Posted - 2014.02.12 12:19:00 -
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The little guy has a chance if he submits to the bigger guy.
If you want to be independent in null, go to NPC space where you don't actually have to defend your stations.
Also, ISD's please don't lock this thread. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
Disband.
794
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Posted - 2014.02.12 12:21:00 -
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There's always NPC null if you don't want to join one of the sov-holding groups.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
247
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Posted - 2014.02.12 12:23:00 -
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I don't think things will ever completely settle down.
The game has a strong focus on pvp and if it became quiet in sov nullsec, either the players would find a way to generate conflict or CCP would.
The blue donut, if it ever exists, will only exist for short periods. It's a huge achievement, but something has to come after it. It's not the end game, just a temporary state.
As for small groups, there's always npc null or start planning for expansion into new space coming in a few expansions. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
735
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Posted - 2014.02.12 12:31:00 -
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Emma Muutaras wrote:with the current state of null sec http://i.imgur.com/yRX4f1D.png (based on blue standings) what chance does a small alliance/corp that wants to be independent of the big boys have in getting a foothold in null? it looks like you have 3 choices at the moment join cfc/rus join N3 or buy a wizards hat and join provi block. while i admit my knowledge of everything going on in null is somewhat limited every 1 seams to say the same thing N3 while still got a lot of fight in them is on the back-foot and in full retreat that blue doughnut is getting closer and closer to being complete. small scale pvp is getting harder and harder to find always seams to be a 30 man fleet getting dropped by a 100 man fleet, and if/when the blue doughnut is complete you may as well say large scale pvp will die as well. yes its in the nature of sandboxes for people to group together and form massive coalitions but is this really healthy for null sec?
I live next door to Sweden according to that map. Plainly that's where all the gudfites must be.
Also goons probably don't mind if you live in Venal or Cloud Ring and shoot their sneaky ratters who aren't deployed like they should be, keeping the herd strong, providing content and all that.
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Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints
Against ALL Anomalies
841
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Posted - 2014.02.12 12:35:00 -
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0.0 is done. That why CCP have thrown in the towel and stopped developing it, instead opting for completely new space. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
2197
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Posted - 2014.02.12 12:39:00 -
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You're operating under a false premise: the little guy never stood a chance on his own.
And considering that the "little guy" has the option of operating successfully in lowsec, npc null, and most WHs, the fact that he can't also operate in sov null hardly seems unfair or game-breaking.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2014.02.12 12:45:00 -
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I live in NPC Null. It's perfectly fine and I have fun...
The End... |
Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution
Nullsec Ninjas
248
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Posted - 2014.02.12 12:49:00 -
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Emma Muutaras wrote:with the current state of null sec http://i.imgur.com/yRX4f1D.png (based on blue standings) what chance does a small alliance/corp that wants to be independent of the big boys have in getting a foothold in null?
Absolutely no chance whatsoever.
Wait till all these new players we keep hearing about realise this.
Don't Panic.
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Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
180
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Posted - 2014.02.12 12:51:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:0.0 is done. That why CCP have thrown in the towel and stopped developing it, instead opting for completely new space.
New space that will get overruned by the big blocks. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19308
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Posted - 2014.02.12 12:55:00 -
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Emma Muutaras wrote:with the current state of null sec http://i.imgur.com/yRX4f1D.png (based on blue standings) what chance does a small alliance/corp that wants to be independent of the big boys have in getting a foothold in null? Oh, roughly same chance as always.
It never was a GÇ£small allianceGÇ¥/independent kind of arena.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Sebastor Cane
The Outlet
169
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Posted - 2014.02.12 13:02:00 -
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Nullsec is just fine for the little guys and i make plenty from it. Although to be fair i am a lowsec daytripper |
Sarah Nalelmir
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2014.02.12 13:07:00 -
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Its sad that CFC are allowed to own so much of Null. There should be a limit on what can be cvlaimed by a particular corp/alliance.
I would prefer to see an even spread of corps/alliances rather than just one big blob of colour. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19308
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Posted - 2014.02.12 13:14:00 -
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Sarah Nalelmir wrote:Its sad that CFC are allowed to own so much of Null. There should be a limit on what can be cvlaimed by a particular corp/alliance. No, there really shouldn't be. The only sad part is that so everyone lets them own so much.
Quote:I would prefer to see an even spread of corps/alliances rather than just one big blob of colour. There already is a spread of alliances out there.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Karen Avioras
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
237
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Posted - 2014.02.12 13:15:00 -
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**** son, that map is beautiful |
Nimrod vanHall
Biohazard.
WINMATAR.
67
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Posted - 2014.02.12 13:19:00 -
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See that white stuff on your map?
thats neutral, as in on its own. Its the little guys. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
2199
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Posted - 2014.02.12 13:23:00 -
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That map is also nonsense, as CFC and RUS are separate coalitions, and the RUS coalition will dissolve back into Southern and Northern Russians. Right now you have 3 coalitions + provi, and soon you will have 4 coalitions + provi, which is pretty much par for the course for the last half decade. This is around the 7th or 8th galaxy spanning conflict that has involved the vast majority of nullsec, almost exclusively divided into two camps; each time the chicken littles have cried about about falling skies and blues donuts, and each time they've been proven wrong.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Vordek Rei
NorCorp Enterprise
No Holes Barred
110
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Posted - 2014.02.12 13:23:00 -
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WH is where the fun is - just saying. Null people are just carebears in big blobs. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
Boarderline Cartel
1765
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Posted - 2014.02.12 13:31:00 -
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Emma Muutaras wrote:with the current state of null sec http://i.imgur.com/yRX4f1D.png (based on blue standings) what chance does a small alliance/corp that wants to be independent of the big boys have in getting a foothold in null?
In sov space? Not chance. In NPC nullsec you make your own chance but expect docking/gate games. In wormholes you make your own chance but god help you if you pick the wrong one.
As for the blobs - again not true. I regularly deal with blobs from BNI where I live. Blobs are a part of life. Learn to avoid them (there is no point going 70:1) and pick off the stragglers. Once in a while you will get the small gang stuff happening. It helps if you have blues, then it's good fights all around. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
4671
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Posted - 2014.02.12 13:35:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:That map is also nonsense, as CFC and RUS are separate coalitions, and the RUS coalition will dissolve back into Southern and Northern Russians. Right now you have 3 coalitions + provi, and soon you will have 4 coalitions + provi, which is pretty much par for the course for the last half decade. This is around the 7th or 8th galaxy spanning conflict that has involved the vast majority of nullsec, almost exclusively divided into two camps; each time the chicken littles have cried about about falling skies and blues donuts, and each time they've been proven wrong.
Why yo go making sense and introducing facts? This is GD damn it.
It's one of the recurring themes of EVE, "nullsec is all blue!!!11!". It was like that when I 1st went to null and BoB was the big boy on the block (I was in Atlas). Then it's the Northern Coalition +Goons (and the Russians), now it's Goons (and Russians) and an 'N3'. Tomorrow it will be someone else.
Yet some people (in their ignorance and outsider bias) will claim that null is 'stagnant' and never changes. It's one of those comfortable lies people tell themselves because they can't deal with the truth. When things do change, they ignore it and claim that the new big coalition is making null all blue and stagnant lol.
It reminds me a lot of these people who claims the next game or batch of games are gonna kill EVE. Those games come along (or die in development) and the same people claim the NEXT series of games will kill EVE (ignoring the fact that they were wrong the last time). The next series doesn't kill and and next thing you know, it's Star Citizen and Elite gonna kill EVE. We have to wait till at least 2016 to see these wrong people ignore their wrongness yet again.
TL:DR, people are stupid and have short memories. |
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Victor Dathar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
282
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Posted - 2014.02.12 13:40:00 -
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Our newbees are little guys and they lead fleets and stuff so do ok.
^^^ lol that post is so bad you should get back 2 GBS m8 o7 |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
2201
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Posted - 2014.02.12 13:42:00 -
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Maybe someone will conquer all of nullsec one day, and maybe some game will directly "kill" eve on another, but in both cases right now all signs point to the same old rehashed bullshit as the last five years.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
raider womb
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
6
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Posted - 2014.02.12 13:46:00 -
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Can someone link info on the new systems? It's the first time I hear about that and I would love to know more. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
Advent of Fate
712
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Posted - 2014.02.12 13:47:00 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:Emma Muutaras wrote:with the current state of null sec http://i.imgur.com/yRX4f1D.png (based on blue standings) what chance does a small alliance/corp that wants to be independent of the big boys have in getting a foothold in null? Absolutely no chance whatsoever. Wait till all these new players we keep hearing about realise this.
I live in npc null and love it.
I run sites and roam in sov null.
Don't really see the need to pay sov bills when the people we shoot at pay them for us.
Money at its root is a form of rationing.
When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
4671
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Posted - 2014.02.12 13:48:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Maybe someone will conquer all of nullsec one day, and maybe some game will directly "kill" eve on another, but in both cases right now all signs point to the same old rehashed bullshit as the last five years.
lol yea. When my alliance was allied with TEST I remember ratting in an empty system and reading these forums on another screen (about how safe and blue null is) when some CFC guys came in via a wormhole.
TEST and Goons were still blue back then but CFC and HBC was another matter. I got scrammed and the exact wrong moment by an npc frig (this was before MJDs of course) and three CFC Cynabals landed on me and kill my Machariel (I had one of them in hull, another few seconds and he would rode the train to space-hell with me lol).
I actually linked the thread I was reading in local as I got my pod out and told them "this can't be happening at all, don't you know about the Blue Mother ******* donut?????" We all had a good laugh at that, them more than me because I was going to have to replace a freaking Mach .......
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
26
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Posted - 2014.02.12 13:48:00 -
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coalitions will will stop out who ever goes out there since in order to claim a system you would need far more numbers to claim it by force where we end up with another R5. other than that for real null and not npc space you will have to rent like the rest of the "little guys" so to speak and generally siding on one side or the other. Id recommend NPC space if you are a heavy pvp group, as when i ran through NPC space many people from empire come out and test their ships and if it doesnt work they dock in the npc stations until you get bored. |
flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
2037
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Posted - 2014.02.12 13:55:00 -
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Agondray wrote:coalitions will will stop out who ever goes out there since in order to claim a system you would need far more numbers to claim it by force where we end up with another R5. other than that for real null and not npc space you will have to rent like the rest of the "little guys" so to speak and generally siding on one side or the other. Id recommend NPC space if you are a heavy pvp group, as when i ran through NPC space many people from empire come out and test their ships and if it doesnt work they dock in the npc stations until you get bored.
If you want fun and adventure npc null is the place to be , if you want to go to null just to carebear your ass off then yes you will need to rent or join one of the big boys.
I'm guessing most people bitching about the blue donut just want to go out and carebear their ass's off though ..
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1687
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Posted - 2014.02.12 15:32:00 -
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Emma Muutaras wrote:it looks like you have 3 choices at the moment join cfc/rus join N3 or buy a wizards hat and join provi block.
anyone, at any time, can set up shop in npc space. Go, fight, get respect, make friends. Get bigger fights, drop bait towers, and either stay in npc null and build up, or get invited to join an alliance, or even offer to fight for someone in exchange for your own space at the end.
If you want to take stations without blueing anyone, that means a lot of building up to be be able to take such a fight. Most people don't have that kind of patience.
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Ronny Hugo
Dark Fusion Industries
Limitless Inc.
55
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Posted - 2014.02.12 15:37:00 -
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I want to see how long the blue doughnut will last, if it it ever successfully made. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
Disband.
794
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Posted - 2014.02.12 15:51:00 -
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Sarah Nalelmir wrote:Its sad that CFC are allowed to own so much of Null.
That would be accurate if it read: It's sad that the vast majority of players refuse to gang together and stop CFC owning so much of null.
Sarah Nalelmir wrote:There should be a limit on what can be cvlaimed by a particular corp/alliance.
There is a limit - it's how much the rest of the Eve population allows them to own.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
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